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 | | From: | Willie3K | | Subject: | Arisaka Model 99 | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:43:03 +0000 (UTC) |
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 | I'm in search of an Arisaka Model 99 Japanese rifle 7.7mm 5 shot clip for
the one my grandfather left me, that he got from WWII. Thought I might try
firing it. Any opinions on this matter? Or suggestions on where one could
find such an animal?
Thanks,
Big Bill
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| | From: | old hoodoo | | Subject: | Re: Arisaka Model 99 | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:28:43 +0000 (UTC) |
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| Why do you need a clip for a 99? You don't need it to load the rifle as
rounds can be loaded one at a time into the magazine, the stripper clip
is used for speed loading and is actally a nuisance in casual shooting.
Is is missing an internal part in the integral magazine?
Willie3K wrote:
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| | From: | Christopher Morton | | Subject: | Re: Arisaka Model 99 | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:28:25 +0000 (UTC) |
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| On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:43:03 +0000 (UTC), "Willie3K"
wrote:
#I'm in search of an Arisaka Model 99 Japanese rifle 7.7mm 5 shot clip for
#the one my grandfather left me, that he got from WWII. Thought I might try
#firing it. Any opinions on this matter? Or suggestions on where one could
#find such an animal?
1. Have it checked out by a gunsmith. The late production was of
egregious quality. Make sure the headspace is good regardless.
2. You don't need stripper clips to shoot it. If you want them,
Gunparts.com should have them.
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| | From: | Clark Magnuson | | Subject: | Re: Arisaka Model 99 | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:28:27 +0000 (UTC) |
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| http://ssporters.com/JAPM38.htm
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| | From: | MadDogR75 at yahoo.com | | Subject: | Re: Arisaka Model 99 | | Date: | Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:54:57 +0000 (UTC) |
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| The Arisaka is like the Mauser in that it has a box magazine.
Are you missing the floorplate, spring, and follower maybe?
As to shooting it :
The 'Ari`s were generally pretty strong, but some of the later ones
were of poor quality. Have someone familiar with the beast check it
out before firing.
The chrome bores on the better ones were ahead of their time.
MadDog
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| | From: | Larry | | Subject: | Re: Arisaka Model 99 | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:28:42 +0000 (UTC) |
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| You might try Sarco for the stripper clips. .7.7x58 is so
close to 30-06, you might try Springfield 1903 strippers.
First, I'd insure it's not a "Last Ditch" manufacture. At
the end of the war thier quality was poor, and many feel
they are unsafe. I have heard these have 2 piece stocks.
Second, I'd throughly clean the bore.
Third, don't use unknown surplus ammo. there is 7.7
for machine guns floating around. A few years ago a guy
at my range blew up an Ari with some. And the Ari is one
of the strongest bolt actions. Norma ammo is expensive.
Midway, and Graf have brass. Hornady bullets, (.312)
work better in mine, than .311s.
There is a great bulletin board for Arisakas, I believe
it's on Gun Boards. I understand B-Square has a scope
mount for them now. Larry
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| | From: | Mark Crispin | | Subject: | Re: Arisaka Model 99 | | Date: | Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:54:50 +0000 (UTC) |
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| On Sun, 23 Jan 2005, Larry wrote:
# First, I'd insure it's not a "Last Ditch" manufacture. At
# the end of the war thier quality was poor, and many feel
# they are unsafe.
This is one of the prevailing myths about Arisakas (both types 38 and 99).
Like many myths, there is a grain of truth to them. In this case, it is
very important to know the truth so that you make a wise decision.
First off, all other factors being equal, a so-called "last ditch" Arisaka
is as safe to fire as any other Arisaka. By this, I mean that headspace,
bore, and other aspects of good preservation need to be verified prior to
firing the rifle. After all, you wouldn't fire an M1 Garand with a
blocked bore, cracked receiver, and worn bolt that audibly wobbles!
The "last ditch" Arisakas sacrificed a great deal in cosmetics, the sights
became rudimentary, etc.; but as far as the actual mechanism was concerned
it was still the same as the Arisakas produced when standards were higher.
Now, with that said, there *is* a MAJOR concern to be aware of!!!!!!!!
In addition to Arisaka rifles, the Japanese made many school training
rifles which to the untrained eye look identical to an Arisaka. These
rifles were NEVER intended to fire live ammunition. For some inexplicable
reason, however, most Japanese school rifles are mechanically quite
capable of firing a live round...once.
School rifles were generally crudely constructed, thus the confusion with
the "last ditch" rifles. Frequently, they used rejected parts from the
military rifle product line.
School rifles generally are well-marked (if you can read Japanese
characters!) as belonging to such-and-such school. A few school rifles
were designed to fire blanks, and would have markings (in Japanese)
indicating "blank ammunition only." Some retired military rifles were
also reused as school rifles.
Any of the following would indicate a school rifle:
1) large Japanese characters on the stock.
2) the Japanese character meaning "school" anywhere on the rifle:
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\ /
\ /
X
/ \
' `
Note that the two long vertical strokes are actually somewhat rounded,
resulting in a "fatter" character than what is shown here. [Purists
will complain that the character, actually means "culture",
"literature", etc. It does, but in this case it is the first character
of the compound "mombu" (= "education").]
3) smooth bore (no rifling).
4) one-piece buttstock
5) cancelled chrysanthemum, e.g. a ring of small circles overstamped over
the chrysanthemum
6) A serial number starting with two or three zeros.
SCHOOL RIFLES ARE UNSAFE TO FIRE!! DO NOT ATTEMPT TO FIRE ONE!!
Conversely, an Arisaka with an intact chrysanthemum at the top of the
receiver is a military rifle and, if it passes all other checks that a
prudent person would make on a 60 year old military rifle, is safe to
fire.
An Arisaka with a *removed* (ground off) or *defaced* (chiseled, filed,
etc.) chrysanthemum as opposed to cancelled with another mark is also
likely to be a military rifle, in this case surrendered by the Japanese
to American occupation forces. It is widely believed that the Japanese
were permitted to do this as a face-saving measure. Such rifles are also
military rifles and are safe to fire once checked.
Arisaka rifles with an intact chrysanthemum were captured in the field by
American soldiers during the war, "from Japanese soldiers who no longer
needed them." Such rifles usually carry a modest premium over rifles
which have had the chrysanthemum removed or defaced.
There are a few Arisakas with other marks besides a chrysanthemum, but
determining its status is an exercise for the expert. In general, if
you're looking for a shooter, choose an Arisaka with a flower.
Note that many Arisaka collectors will also collect school rifles; these
also have collector value. But they are *not* shooters, and a reputable
seller will disclose that a school rifle is such and should not be fired.
-- Mark --
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| | From: | Gunner | | Subject: | Re: Arisaka Model 99 | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:28:46 +0000 (UTC) |
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| On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:43:03 +0000 (UTC), "Willie3K"
wrote:
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Are you referring to the stripper clip? IRRC, while not authentic,
stripper clips for 1903 Springfields will work fine.
Hummm or was it the 98 Mauser ones...? Both are cheap to buy.
Ill have to check and see which one fits my Arisakas...
Gunner
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