Assuming decent quality handguns of approximately similar price and
barrel length, are there reasons to presume a .22LR rimfire semi-auto
will be inherently more accurate than a .22LR wheel gun?

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From:	John
Subject:	Re: Accuracy, Wheel vs. Rimfire
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:54:26 +0000 (UTC)

In general, the alinement of the cylinder bullet chambers to the
back of the barrel will vary MORE than anything seen in a semi-auto,
and in general a good semiauto will always be more accurate than a
good wheel gun if compared out of something like a Ransom Rest

There will always be exceptions, but if you fire 6 rounds in the
wheelgun, one in each chamber, and 6 rounds in the semiauto, the
semiauto will typcially fire tighter groups

John

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:28:20 +0000 (UTC), Harry Krause
wrote:

> ...

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From:	Buzz Chandler
Subject:	Re: Accuracy, Wheel vs. Rimfire
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:54:20 +0000 (UTC)

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:ct08pk$8uh$1@grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
# Assuming decent quality handguns of approximately similar price and
# barrel length, are there reasons to presume a .22LR rimfire semi-auto
# will be inherently more accurate than a .22LR wheel gun?
#
Well...there are many more fine semi-auto .22 rimfires than revolvers to
choose from.

If you were asking about centerfire wheelguns vs. semi-autos, I'd say your
assumption was totally incorrect.

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From:	Ralph Mowery
Subject:	Re: Accuracy, Wheel vs. Rimfire
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:54:06 +0000 (UTC)

From:	Bart B.
Subject:	Re: Accuracy, Wheel vs. Rimfire
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:53:51 +0000 (UTC)

Yes; there are two main reasons.

Here's the biggest one. The chamber of a semiauto is exactly in the
same place relative to the bore for each shot. This is impossible for
a wheel gun (revolver) because of parts fit tolerances needed for
operational reliability.

Here's the second reason. The gap between chamber and rifling in a
semiauto is always the same; zero. It varies with a revolver because
of cylinder fit tolerances. Plus the bullet jumps quite a ways to the
rifling in a revolver while in a semiauto it's close to zero.

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From:	D. Crockett
Subject:	Re: Accuracy, Wheel vs. Rimfire
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:55:15 +0000 (UTC)

From:	Derek V.
Subject:	Re: Accuracy, Wheel vs. Rimfire
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:55:20 +0000 (UTC)

Yes.

Derek V.

Harry Krause wrote:
# Assuming decent quality handguns of approximately similar price and
# barrel length, are there reasons to presume a .22LR rimfire semi-auto
# will be inherently more accurate than a .22LR wheel gun?
#
#

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From:	Thomas Reynolds
Subject:	Re: Accuracy, Wheel vs. Rimfire
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:53:57 +0000 (UTC)

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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# Assuming decent quality handguns of approximately similar price and
# barrel length, are there reasons to presume a .22LR rimfire semi-auto
# will be inherently more accurate than a .22LR wheel gun?
One can argue that you sight the auto in to uniform conditions since every
bullet follows the same path from ignition to out of the gun, while each
round in a wheel gun is affected by the slightly different conditions
resulting from the different cylinder attitude for each round.

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From:	Dennis J Green
Subject:	Re: Accuracy, Wheel vs. Rimfire
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:54:01 +0000 (UTC)

Harry Krause wrote:
# Assuming decent quality handguns of approximately similar price and
# barrel length, are there reasons to presume a .22LR rimfire semi-auto
# will be inherently more accurate than a .22LR wheel gun?

Each cylinder of a revolver becomes part of the "barrel" that the bullet
travels. In a 6 shot revolver that would be 6 different barrels, each
with its own characteristics. An semi-auto pistol has only one barrel.

If you single shoot a revolver, always with the same chamber, you can
negate the differences of the other "barrels."
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From:	jrchilds
Subject:	Re: Accuracy, Wheel vs. Rimfire
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:55:24 +0000 (UTC)

Harry Krause wrote:

> ...
For one, the chamber is ALWAYS aligned with the barrel, with a revolver,
there will always be some slight misalignment.
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From:	rwilson at bigvalley.net
Subject:	Re: Accuracy, Wheel vs. Rimfire
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:55:21 +0000 (UTC)

For pure mechanics the wheel gun should be more accurate. When you toss
in the human factor the semi wins out. You may wish to note all the
international matches are won with semi-auto. Basicly it a matter of
mind and ergonomics.

Harry Krause wrote:
> ...

> ...

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From:	K38
Subject:	Re: Accuracy, Wheel vs. Rimfire
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:54:52 +0000 (UTC)

Harry Krause wrote:
# Assuming decent quality handguns of approximately similar price and
# barrel length, are there reasons to presume a .22LR rimfire semi-auto

# will be inherently more accurate than a .22LR wheel gun?
#
In .22lr A good revolver and a good semi-auto should be dependent on
the particular sample. Most high quality .22 semi-auto target pistols
will shoot 1" at 50 yards, ten shots, from a Ransom Rest. I imagine a
S&W model 17 or 617, or a Colt Officer's Model Match would do the same.
..22 semi auto pistols have an advantage in that they have fixed
barrels that do not have to lock and unlock like a 1911 or similar gun.
My Morini CM80 Free Pistol has a 20 shot 50 meter test target that is
much smaller, and my Ruger MkII tuned by Clarks (factory barrel) will
shoot 1" from sandbags. I havent really tested my Colt OMM. In any
case they are better than any shooter. I understand the Dan Wesson
revolvers are very fine as well.

Yours,

D.L. Brown

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From:	Tiger
Subject:	Re: Accuracy, Wheel vs. Rimfire
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:54:14 +0000 (UTC)

Harry Krause wrote:

#Assuming decent quality handguns of approximately similar price and
#barrel length, are there reasons to presume a .22LR rimfire semi-auto
#will be inherently more accurate than a .22LR wheel gun?
#
#
#
#
#
Hmmm, Are we talking Olympic gold medal accuracy or hitting a rabbit at
25 yds or just out shooting the guy in the next lane? Many have had
great results with the wheel gun. But in the last 50 years, the Auto
seems to be prefered. Now can both make a 3 shot group as tight as a
dime? Yes, on a good day with the right shooter & ammo. Designs,
weight, ammo, grip, trigger, rifling all make a difference to the
outcome.

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From:	michaelb8309 at yahoo.com
Subject:	Re: Accuracy, Wheel vs. Rimfire
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:55:04 +0000 (UTC)

Harry Krause wrote:
# Assuming decent quality handguns of approximately similar price and
# barrel length, are there reasons to presume a .22LR rimfire semi-auto

# will be inherently more accurate than a .22LR wheel gun?

Harry, Selfloading pistols have one chamber which is part and parcel
with the barrel, so for good or ill its alignment and other
characteristics do not change from shot to shot. Revolvers have five
to ten chambers, each of which may or may not align precisely with the
bore of the barrel for a variety of reasons. This problem can be
addressed by line boring each chamber in the cylinder but that is the
sort of feature one finds only on best quality revolvers. As a
practical matter unless a real clinker escapes the factory all the
challenges to practical accuracy usually mask issues of intrinsic
accuracy. Good hunting! Michael

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From:	Kay Archer
Subject:	Re: Accuracy, Wheel vs. Rimfire
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:54:45 +0000 (UTC)

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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# Assuming decent quality handguns of approximately similar price and
# barrel length, are there reasons to presume a .22LR rimfire semi-auto
# will be inherently more accurate than a .22LR wheel gun?
#
#

Each chamber in a revolver may have a slightly different alignment with the
bore resulting in some upset as the bullet enters the lands. Accuracy is
more dependent on a square exit from the bore. A study in "The Rifleman"
(no, I don't have the issue handy, but it's sometime in the past 40
years(g)) showed that bullet tips could be damaged with little effect on
accuracy, but haveing a bullet base that did not clear the barrel all at the
same time would damage accuracy.

Overall, I don't think the difference would be measurable at 50', though
perhaps at 50yards.

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From:	Nick Hull
Subject:	Re: Accuracy, Wheel vs. Rimfire
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:53:50 +0000 (UTC)

In article ,
Harry Krause wrote:

# Assuming decent quality handguns of approximately similar price and
# barrel length, are there reasons to presume a .22LR rimfire semi-auto
# will be inherently more accurate than a .22LR wheel gun?

Yes. It's real expensive to get the cylinder bores exactly lined up
with the bbl, and the gap & forcing cone are not good on lead bullets.
Semi-autos can be made more accurate cheaper.

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From:	MadDogR75 at yahoo.com
Subject:	Re: Accuracy, Wheel vs. Rimfire
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:54:55 +0000 (UTC)

Yes.
The nature of the revolver, (Moveable chambers and a forcing cone),
suggests that unless you're dealing with very fine guns there might
be a disadvantage to the revolver.
Will it be large enough for you to notice?
Probably not.
MadDog.
"They, (Guns), almost all shoot a lot better than we, (shooters), do."

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From:	Brian Bunin
Subject:	Re: Accuracy, Wheel vs. Rimfire
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:55:18 +0000 (UTC)

In article , Harry Krause wrote:
#Assuming decent quality handguns of approximately similar price and
#barrel length, are there reasons to presume a .22LR rimfire semi-auto
#will be inherently more accurate than a .22LR wheel gun?
#
No.

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