Hello jugglers all,

The World Juggling Federation posted a trailer promoting the festival in
the fall that was pretty funny and weird, narrated by Penn Gillette. I
need to see it again to show it to unbelieving friends ("Penn Gillette?
Juggling? No-oo!") but appear to have deleted it from my hard drive. And
it is not available on the WJF site anymore.

Does anyone have a copy mirrored on a website somewhere?

Many thanks in advance,

Chuckles the Ambidextrous Clown

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From:	Schwolop
Subject:	Re: Anyone have the WJF Trailer?
Date:	18 Jan 2005 23:51:24 GMT

In on 19/01/05 1:53 AM,
Brian Fahs wrote:
> I don't think that was the file requested as it wasn't narated by Penn.
> The line I remember was "And I'll be there if I don't get hit by a
> bus full of juggling nuns...." or something like that.
>
> Anyone have the one with Penn?
>
> BRian
>

Oh, my apologies... I had two trailers, and remembered his one as being
the larger of the two. I guess there was a third one that I didn't have.
Anyway, looks like Mutton had it instead!

From:	notsewkram
Subject:	Thanks all
Date:	19 Jan 2005 05:22:24 GMT

Thanks too kindly for posting the trailer, everybody! Too much fun.

Sparkles (sorry, Chuckles)

notsewkram wrote:
> Hello jugglers all,
>
> The World Juggling Federation posted a trailer promoting the festival in
> the fall that was pretty funny and weird, narrated by Penn Gillette. I
> need to see it again to show it to unbelieving friends ("Penn Gillette?
> Juggling? No-oo!") but appear to have deleted it from my hard drive. And
> it is not available on the WJF site anymore.
>
> Does anyone have a copy mirrored on a website somewhere?
>
> Many thanks in advance,
>
> Chuckles the Ambidextrous Clown
>
>
> ----== posted via www.jugglingdb.com ==----

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From:	Mutton
Subject:	Re: Anyone have the WJF Trailer?
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:09:00 -0500

notsewkram wrote:
> Hello jugglers all,
>
> The World Juggling Federation posted a trailer promoting the festival in
> the fall that was pretty funny and weird, narrated by Penn Gillette. I
> need to see it again to show it to unbelieving friends ("Penn Gillette?
> Juggling? No-oo!") but appear to have deleted it from my hard drive. And
> it is not available on the WJF site anymore.
>
> Does anyone have a copy mirrored on a website somewhere?
>
> Many thanks in advance,
>
> Chuckles the Ambidextrous Clown
>
>
> ----== posted via www.jugglingdb.com ==----
>

http://www.gradzone.com/andrew/files/wjf_penn.mov

Give it 10 minutes to finish uploading.

- Andrew

From:	Schwolop
Subject:	Re: Anyone have the WJF Trailer?
Date:	18 Jan 2005 11:15:03 GMT

In on 18/01/05 9:41 PM, Little
Paul wrote:
> On 2005-01-18, Schwolop wrote:
>>
>> BTW, to all the rec.juggling oldbies, what happens if I try and post
>> binaries to this group?
>
> Go to http://www.jugglingdb.com/news/search.php and look up "Dick
> Franko" [1]
>
> He insisted on posting binaries to rec.juggling back in the late 90's
> and got a right slapping for it. Rightly so in my opinion.
>

Hmmm, maybe I'm searching in a foolish manner, but I can only find 6
mentions of his name, one of which is this post!

> Please see http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/misplacedbin.html for a
> very reasonable and thorough discussion of why binaries should only be
> posted to groups in the binaries heirachy.
>

You're right, that is a good article... ta

> Please also note that if you post a binary file through your
> newsreader, people reading the group at the www.jugglingdb.com/news
> interface will be unable to read it. [2]
>
> A much better approach is to upload the file in question to some web
> space and post the url here.
>

Well, i did do that in the first place... ;-)

>> Do newservers know that it's not supposed to
>> have them, and thus automatically stop me?
>
> Some do, some don't. But it's a bad idea. Please read the above url
> thoroughly for details of why it's a bad idea. It doesn't say a
> single thing that I disagree with, and it covers almost every point
> that you could possibly raise in defense of posting a binary to a non
> binary group.
>
>> Maybe I should just try it and see...
>
> Please don't. It's terribly anti-social and I don't want to feel
> compelled to bitch slap you at the next available opportunity. It
> would be bad for my karma.
>

Bad for your karma?!?!? Oh no! Not more delays to JuggleTween2!

> -Paul
> [1] "Dick by name, dick by nature" I believe was one quote

lol

> [2] As they aren't clued up enough to use a newsreader, I doubt they
> can get their heads around having to uudecode a binary, assuming
> jugglingdb would cache the article in the first place.

I remember when I first read through a list of unix commands, I wondered
what that one was (as the glossary I was reading said something along
the lines of "I don't know what this does..."), now I know...
--
Tom
junk@jugglethis.net with my name instead of junk...

From:	Jani_Kyllönen
Subject:	Re: Anyone have the WJF Trailer?
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:23:46 +0200

Schwolop wrote:
> In on 18/01/05 9:41 PM, Little
> Paul wrote:
>>On 2005-01-18, Schwolop wrote:
>>
>>>BTW, to all the rec.juggling oldbies, what happens if I try and post
>>>binaries to this group?
>>
>>Go to http://www.jugglingdb.com/news/search.php and look up "Dick
>>Franko" [1]
>>
>>He insisted on posting binaries to rec.juggling back in the late 90's
>>and got a right slapping for it. Rightly so in my opinion.

> Hmmm, maybe I'm searching in a foolish manner, but I can only find 6
> mentions of his name, one of which is this post!

Try searching for "Dick Franco", as that is his name.

jani

From:	Little Paul
Subject:	Re: Anyone have the WJF Trailer?
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:34:40 +0000 (UTC)

On 2005-01-18, Schwolop wrote:
>
> Hmmm, maybe I'm searching in a foolish manner, but I can only find 6
> mentions of his name, one of which is this post!

That would probably because of my inability to correctly spell his name.

Try looking for "Dick Franco" There is plenty there, but it seemed
to start with a thread in 1997 where he posted a picture of a statue
that he saw on holiday.

Unfortunately, the jugglingdb.com archive of that period seems to be
a little ropey. try the www.google.com group search instead.

>> Please see http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/misplacedbin.html for a
>> very reasonable and thorough discussion of why binaries should only be
>> posted to groups in the binaries heirachy.
>
> You're right, that is a good article... ta

No probs. ;-)

>> Please don't. It's terribly anti-social and I don't want to feel
>> compelled to bitch slap you at the next available opportunity. It
>> would be bad for my karma.
>
> Bad for your karma?!?!? Oh no! Not more delays to JuggleTween2!

:-/

Unfortunately JT2 is going to be delayed a bit more. Certainly until next
month now, mostly because of events in my personal life meaning that
I don't have the time needed to finish planning it.

-Paul

From:	Colin E.
Subject:	Re: Anyone have the WJF Trailer?
Date:	18 Jan 2005 12:16:37 GMT

Little Paul wrote:
> Try looking for "Dick Franco" There is plenty there, but it seemed
> to start with a thread in 1997 where he posted a picture of a statue
> that he saw on holiday.

and very nice pictures there were too.

> Unfortunately, the jugglingdb.com archive of that period seems to be
> a little ropey. try the www.google.com group search instead.

ropey ... ROPEY? That's a slanderous statement.

If you type DIck Franco into the author field of the IJDb rec.juggling
advanced search form (which looks very like the Google advanced groups
search ;-) you get 50 messages back, including all of his holiday snaps.

I tried to compare this to the results from a search via Google, however
the firewall at work objected to a search for 'Dick'.

*titters*

Colin E.

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From:	Little Paul
Subject:	Re: Anyone have the WJF Trailer?
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:08:06 +0000 (UTC)

On 2005-01-18, Colin E. wrote:

>> Unfortunately, the jugglingdb.com archive of that period seems to be
>> a little ropey. try the www.google.com group search instead.
>
> ropey ... ROPEY? That's a slanderous statement.

Well, a number of the images I found were truncated causing problems
when it comes to decoding them, and some of the threads didn't seem
link up properly (missing parent posts, threading problems etc)

Still, considering the source of the data for that period I guess we're
lucky to have it at all! ;-)

Mind you, when it comes to searching for the binaries themselves rather
than just the threads surrounding them, google lets us down a bit as
it doesn't seem to have them archived.

I guess that's par for the course when dealing with data that was archived
8 years ago :-)

A better search for Dicks binaries would be http://tinyurl.com/4mnau

> If you type DIck Franco into the author field of the IJDb rec.juggling
> advanced search form (which looks very like the Google advanced groups
> search ;-) you get 50 messages back, including all of his holiday snaps.

I'm working my way through decoding the complete ones, just as a way of
avoiding having to work out how to optimise a rather slow query to one
of my databases (17 seconds to return a 1 field result... eeew!)

> I tried to compare this to the results from a search via Google, however
> the firewall at work objected to a search for 'Dick'.
>
> *titters*

Arf!

-Paul

From:	Steve Bennett
Subject:	Re: Anyone have the WJF Trailer?
Date:	18 Jan 2005 21:32:01 -0800

>[2] As they aren't clued up enough to use a newsreader, I doubt they
can
>get their heads around having to uudecode a binary, assuming
jugglingdb
>would cache the article in the first place.

That's a little harsh. I'm certainly "clued up" enough to use a
newsreader, but it's impractical at work, and my local newsserver is
unreliable. jugglingdb.com also lets you click siteswaps (although
that itself is unreliable). Google groups seems the best compromise
for now.
I'm probably reading too much into your footnote though aren't I :)

From:	Schwolop
Subject:	Re: Anyone have the WJF Trailer?
Date:	18 Jan 2005 11:03:02 GMT

In <41ece460$0$23055$bed64819@news.gradwell.net> on 18/01/05 9:26 PM,
Colin E. wrote:
> Schwolop wrote:
>>
>> BTW, to all the rec.juggling oldbies, what happens if I try and post
>> binaries to this group?
>
> You get hung drawn and quartered.
>
>> Do newservers know that it's not supposed to
>> have them, and thus automatically stop me? Maybe I should just try it
>> and see...
>
> Nope - newservers assume that you have read the FAQ for the group you
> are posting to ;-)
>
> http://www.jugglingdb.com/news/faq.php
>
> For a bit of fun, search the rec.juggling archives to see what
> happened when a well known juggler decided to post pictures of his
> holiday snaps to rec.juggling. It was not very pretty!
>
> Regards,
> Colin E.
>

Fair enough... It's funny, I've read the FAQ a few times actually (or
maybe I'm just thinking of the IJDb FAQ, not rec.juggling FAQ) but never
remembered seeing anything on binaries.
Given that I have a perfectly viable website, which I'd much rather post
to, I'll happily do that, I was just curious what would actually occur.
--
Tom
junk@jugglethis.net with my name instead of junk...

From:	Schwolop
Subject:	Re: Anyone have the WJF Trailer?
Date:	18 Jan 2005 10:05:02 GMT

In <41ecaf2b$0$23054$bed64819@news.gradwell.net> on 18/01/05 5:39 PM,
notsewkram wrote:
> Hello jugglers all,
>
> The World Juggling Federation posted a trailer promoting the festival
> in the fall that was pretty funny and weird, narrated by Penn Gillette.
> I need to see it again to show it to unbelieving friends ("Penn
> Gillette? Juggling? No-oo!") but appear to have deleted it from my
> hard drive. And it is not available on the WJF site anymore.
>
> Does anyone have a copy mirrored on a website somewhere?
>
> Many thanks in advance,
>
> Chuckles the Ambidextrous Clown
>
>
> ----== posted via www.jugglingdb.com ==----
>
>

I'm not going to leave this up for very long, as it probably isn't
condoned by the powers that be: http://www.jugglethis.net/filemgmt/
singlefile.php?lid=40

It'll take at least an hour from the posting of this message to upload,
as I'm using most of my bandwidth at the moment for other stuff... like
playing CS! hehe

BTW, to all the rec.juggling oldbies, what happens if I try and post
binaries to this group? Do newservers know that it's not supposed to
have them, and thus automatically stop me? Maybe I should just try it
and see...

--
Tom
junk@jugglethis.net with my name instead of junk...

From:	Brian Fahs
Subject:	Re: Anyone have the WJF Trailer?
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 14:53:43 GMT

I don't think that was the file requested as it wasn't narated by Penn. The
line I remember was "And I'll be there if I don't get hit by a bus full of
juggling nuns...." or something like that.

Anyone have the one with Penn?

BRian

"Schwolop" wrote in message
news:20050118210511276+1100@news.optusnet.com.au...
> In <41ecaf2b$0$23054$bed64819@news.gradwell.net> on 18/01/05 5:39 PM,
> notsewkram wrote:
>> Hello jugglers all,
>>
>> The World Juggling Federation posted a trailer promoting the festival
>> in the fall that was pretty funny and weird, narrated by Penn Gillette.
>> I need to see it again to show it to unbelieving friends ("Penn
>> Gillette? Juggling? No-oo!") but appear to have deleted it from my
>> hard drive. And it is not available on the WJF site anymore.
>>
>> Does anyone have a copy mirrored on a website somewhere?
>>
>> Many thanks in advance,
>>
>> Chuckles the Ambidextrous Clown
>>
>>
>> ----== posted via www.jugglingdb.com ==----
>>
>>
>
> I'm not going to leave this up for very long, as it probably isn't
> condoned by the powers that be: http://www.jugglethis.net/filemgmt/
> singlefile.php?lid=40
>
> It'll take at least an hour from the posting of this message to upload,
> as I'm using most of my bandwidth at the moment for other stuff... like
> playing CS! hehe
>
> BTW, to all the rec.juggling oldbies, what happens if I try and post
> binaries to this group? Do newservers know that it's not supposed to
> have them, and thus automatically stop me? Maybe I should just try it
> and see...
>
> --
> Tom
> junk@jugglethis.net with my name instead of junk...

From:	Little Paul
Subject:	Re: Anyone have the WJF Trailer?
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:41:35 +0000 (UTC)

On 2005-01-18, Schwolop wrote:
>
> BTW, to all the rec.juggling oldbies, what happens if I try and post
> binaries to this group?

Go to http://www.jugglingdb.com/news/search.php and look up "Dick Franko" [1]

He insisted on posting binaries to rec.juggling back in the late 90's
and got a right slapping for it. Rightly so in my opinion.

Please see http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/misplacedbin.html for a very
reasonable and thorough discussion of why binaries should only be posted
to groups in the binaries heirachy.

Please also note that if you post a binary file through your newsreader,
people reading the group at the www.jugglingdb.com/news interface will
be unable to read it. [2]

A much better approach is to upload the file in question to some web space
and post the url here.

> Do newservers know that it's not supposed to
> have them, and thus automatically stop me?

Some do, some don't. But it's a bad idea. Please read the above url
thoroughly for details of why it's a bad idea. It doesn't say a single
thing that I disagree with, and it covers almost every point that you
could possibly raise in defense of posting a binary to a non binary
group.

> Maybe I should just try it and see...

Please don't. It's terribly anti-social and I don't want to feel compelled
to bitch slap you at the next available opportunity. It would be bad for
my karma.

-Paul
[1] "Dick by name, dick by nature" I believe was one quote
[2] As they aren't clued up enough to use a newsreader, I doubt they can
get their heads around having to uudecode a binary, assuming jugglingdb
would cache the article in the first place.

From:	Colin E.
Subject:	Re: Anyone have the WJF Trailer?
Date:	18 Jan 2005 10:26:40 GMT

Schwolop wrote:
>
> BTW, to all the rec.juggling oldbies, what happens if I try and post
> binaries to this group?

You get hung drawn and quartered.

> Do newservers know that it's not supposed to
> have them, and thus automatically stop me? Maybe I should just try it
> and see...

Nope - newservers assume that you have read the FAQ for the group you are
posting to ;-)

http://www.jugglingdb.com/news/faq.php

For a bit of fun, search the rec.juggling archives to see what happened
when a well known juggler decided to post pictures of his holiday snaps to
rec.juggling. It was not very pretty!

Regards,
Colin E.

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From:	Schwolop
Subject:	Re: Anyone have the WJF Trailer?
Date:	18 Jan 2005 13:16:23 GMT

Gosh, I hope Mr Marden doesn't see this thread - it's so off-topic now
that he'll have an apoplexy!
--
Tom
junk@jugglethis.net with my name instead of junk...

From:	Kelhoon
Subject:	Re: Anyone have the WJF Trailer?
Date:	18 Jan 2005 20:45:08 GMT

Schwolop wrote:
> Gosh, I hope Mr Marden doesn't see this thread - it's so off-topic now
> that he'll have an apoplexy!
> --

Nah, he's into multiplexing not apoplexing ! 8-D

Kelhoon

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