Dan Simper wrote:
> I'd like to juggle whales.
>
> What do I need ?

This is in the Whale Juggling FAQ, but I'll add something to that.

1. Work on clubs with wristweights for stamina. This is important as a
blue whale weighs the same as approx. 870.000 Radical Fish Street Pros.

2. Get the Dubé Whaledryer device as whales are slippery when wet.

3. Buy some drugs for the whales. Downers, not uppers. I wouldn't want
to be around when you try to juggle a blue whale on speed. Take the
normal human dosage for the drug and multiply that by around 2.000
(depending on the size of whale) for each object.

4. As Dave Finnegan (another famous whale juggler) once put it: Just
bend your knees and go for it.

Best of luck.

jani

From:	Mangatang
Subject:	Re: Juggling whales ....
Date:	19 Jan 2005 18:35:20 GMT

> 1. Work on clubs with wristweights for stamina. This is important as a
> blue whale weighs the same as approx. 870.000 Radical Fish Street Pros.
>
> 3. Buy some drugs for the whales. Downers, not uppers. I wouldn't want
> to be around when you try to juggle a blue whale on speed. Take the
> normal human dosage for the drug and multiply that by around 2.000
> (depending on the size of whale) for each object.

Sorry to highjack such an important thread, but I've seen this a few
times, and I'm wondering if it's just a typo or something else. In the
numbers shown above, it looks like the poster uses periods where commas
should be. I read it initially as 870 Radical Fish Street Pros and a
multiplyer of 2 for the drug dosage (both of these numbers were very
percise, in that they were shown to the thousandth decimal place).

Is there some kind of common nomencature (or language) where one million
is represented as 1.000.000 instead of 1,000,000? If so, how do you
represent decimals smaller than a whole unit (Example: Pi = 3.14)?

Thanks.

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From:	=?windows-1252?Q?Jani_Kyll=F6nen?=
Subject:	Re: Juggling whales ....
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:29:54 +0200

Mangatang wrote:
>>1. Work on clubs with wristweights for stamina. This is important as a
>>blue whale weighs the same as approx. 870.000 Radical Fish Street Pros.
>>
>>3. Buy some drugs for the whales. Downers, not uppers. I wouldn't want
>>to be around when you try to juggle a blue whale on speed. Take the
>>normal human dosage for the drug and multiply that by around 2.000
>>(depending on the size of whale) for each object.
>
>
> Sorry to highjack such an important thread, but I've seen this a few
> times, and I'm wondering if it's just a typo or something else. In the
> numbers shown above, it looks like the poster uses periods where commas
> should be. I read it initially as 870 Radical Fish Street Pros and a
> multiplyer of 2 for the drug dosage (both of these numbers were very
> percise, in that they were shown to the thousandth decimal place).
>
> Is there some kind of common nomencature (or language) where one million
> is represented as 1.000.000 instead of 1,000,000? If so, how do you
> represent decimals smaller than a whole unit (Example: Pi = 3.14)?

I am humbly sorry. I was confused there thinking about all the whales.

You see, this varies from language to language. In my mother tongue of
Finnish we use a space as a separator between the thousands and a comma
before decimals. One million euros would be 1 000 000,00 € for instance.
In the old days we would use a dot (full stop or whatever you like to
call it in your part of the world) to prevent people from putting in
extra zeros in cheques etc. This would make a million 1.000.000,00 €.
Now in English you use the comma as a separator and the dot to mark
decimals so in your case one million would be 1,000,000.00 €.

All of this got confused in my head because of the aquatic mammals.
Unfortunately this happened while writing to rec.juggling and not during
something less important like work.

On a more juggly note, I just tried making a video that would look like
it was shot with more than one camera. I was thinking this might look
good if one wanted to film a routine. Of course I just filmed four club
singles as I don't have a routine, but it was a fun experiment. I might
toy around with it a bit more and put something up on the interweb if I
dare.

jani

From:	Jay Linn
Subject:	Re: Juggling whales ....
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:24:03 +0000

Jani Kyllönen wrote:

> All of this got confused in my head because of the aquatic mammals.
> Unfortunately this happened while writing to rec.juggling and not during
> something less important like work.

Wrong newsgroup buddy - you want rec,juggling I think.

--
Jay Linn

Contents (greatest first): Facts, speculation, flim-flam,
misconceptions, flippancy, canards, lies, red herrings, tysop.

From:	Luke Burrage
Subject:	Re: Juggling whales ....
Date:	19 Jan 2005 19:24:36 GMT

> Sorry to highjack such an important thread, but I've seen this a few
> times, and I'm wondering if it's just a typo or something else. In the
> numbers shown above, it looks like the poster uses periods where commas
> should be. I read it initially as 870 Radical Fish Street Pros and a
> multiplyer of 2 for the drug dosage (both of these numbers were very
> percise, in that they were shown to the thousandth decimal place).
>
> Is there some kind of common nomencature (or language) where one million
> is represented as 1.000.000 instead of 1,000,000? If so, how do you
> represent decimals smaller than a whole unit (Example: Pi = 3.14)?

In many European languages, commas are used as decimal points. Thus, "1,5
V" means "one and one-half volts." However, commas are never used this way
in English, except in South Africa.

Today most publishers with an international audience use the international
system writing style. They write the number fifteen million as "15 000
000." The only punctuation mark is the decimal mark -- a period in English
text, a comma in all other languages. For example, "twelve thousand
fifty-one dollars, seven cents, and half a mill," is written in symbols as
"$12 051.070 5" in English text, but "$12 051,070 5" in text of any other
language.

Historically, English writers often put commas between each group of three
digits. They would write the number fifteen million as "15,000,000." A
number with a decimal does not use commas in the fractional portion. Thus,
"twelve thousand fifty-one dollars, seven cents, and half a mill" is
written in symbols as "$12,051.0705."

Historically, writers in many European languages used exactly the opposite
convention. They would write the above quantities something like
"15.000.000" and "₣12 051,070 5."

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From:	Jani_Kyllönen
Subject:	Re: Juggling whales ....
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:36:44 +0200

From:	Luke Burrage
Subject:	Re: Juggling whales ....
Date:	19 Jan 2005 19:46:41 GMT

> ....and so on...
>
> What exciting lives we lead, Luke and I.
>
> To my defence, I am converting a juggling video in another window.
>

In my defense, copy-pasted that from Wikipedia and sent it by accident
before finishing the message.

Luke

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From:	Jani_Kyllönen
Subject:	Re: Juggling whales ....
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:18:45 +0200

Luke Burrage wrote:

>>....and so on...
>>
>>What exciting lives we lead, Luke and I.
>>
>>To my defence, I am converting a juggling video in another window.
>>
> In my defense, copy-pasted that from Wikipedia and sent it by accident
> before finishing the message.

Crap, that makes me the only geek then...

jani

From:	Rory Parle
Subject:	Re: Juggling whales ....
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 01:48:47 +0000

Jani Kyllönen wrote:
> Luke Burrage wrote:
>
>>> ....and so on...
>>>
>>> What exciting lives we lead, Luke and I.
>>>
>>> To my defence, I am converting a juggling video in another window.
>>>
>> In my defense, copy-pasted that from Wikipedia and sent it by accident
>> before finishing the message.
>
> Crap, that makes me the only geek then...

I tried replying from slrn when logged into my university's main
computer science server via ssh. It turns out the news server doesn't
accept posting. Strangely, I did discover that the college's news server
carries many, um, unexpected groups in the alt.binaries hierarchy,
including the attachments.

Anyway, college-supplied graphy aside, you're not the only geek
here, just the only one who was on a machine capable of NNTP posting at
the right time.

The university in question isn't the one referenced in my sig, incidentally.

--
Rory Parle
http://www.netsoc.dit.ie/~jugsoc/

From:	NAOMI
Subject:	Re: Juggling whales ....
Date:	20 Jan 2005 09:30:07 GMT

Jani Kyllönen wrote:
> Luke Burrage wrote:>
> Crap, that makes me the only geek then...
>
> jani

Nope: I claim a geek title too, as the thread genuinely interested me.
I had not realised there was no international standard for such an
important issue.

I think it sad that the American billion has more or less become the
standard. Interesting as well to note hard disk, and compact disc.
Surprising that the two spellings have ended up different. I heard a
rumour that this was an English/American agreement on the spellings but
have not seen any confirmation. Maybe I'll go search.

Nao

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From:	Schwolop
Subject:	Re: Juggling whales ....
Date:	21 Jan 2005 05:50:05 GMT

NAOMI wrote:
> Jani Kyllönen wrote:
> > Luke Burrage wrote:>
> > Crap, that makes me the only geek then...
> >
> > jani
>
>
> Nope: I claim a geek title too, as the thread genuinely interested me.
> I had not realised there was no international standard for such an
> important issue.
>
> I think it sad that the American billion has more or less become the
> standard. Interesting as well to note hard disk, and compact disc.
> Surprising that the two spellings have ended up different. I heard a
> rumour that this was an English/American agreement on the spellings but
> have not seen any confirmation. Maybe I'll go search.
>
> Nao

Speaking of hard disks, does anybody understand the mB (megabyte = 2^20
bytes which is slightly
over 1 million bytes) versus MB (Megabyte = 1 000 000 bytes) thing? It
seems to me that retailers just
like to be able to claim larger sizes for their hard drives, but it's
frustrating, and as drives get bigger
and bigger, it's going to be more of a disparity too. *grumble grumble*

Tom

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From:	NAOMI
Subject:	Re: Juggling whales ....
Date:	21 Jan 2005 10:11:49 GMT

Schwolop wrote:
> Speaking of hard disks, does anybody understand the mB (megabyte = 2^20
> bytes which is slightly
> over 1 million bytes) versus MB (Megabyte = 1 000 000 bytes) thing? It
> seems to me that retailers just
> like to be able to claim larger sizes for their hard drives, but it's
> frustrating, and as drives get bigger
> and bigger, it's going to be more of a disparity too. *grumble grumble*
>
> Tom

You got it in one there. In the olde days of computing a kilo was 1024 of
bytes, and all computer hardware quantities were referenced to a power of
2 and then approximated to kilos and megas ( giga didn't really exist
then ). Then when disk sizes were getting up to around 512 megabytes,
one manufacturer, I forget who, suddenly started to use mega in its more
common scientific sense, and their disk sizes became a multiple of
1,000,000 rather than a multiple of the computing megabyte. It WAS
done for commercial advantage, and it was not long before other
manufacturers followed suit. There was some significant mention of it in
the computing press at the time.

Nao

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From:	Tobias Beckmann
Subject:	Re: Juggling whales ....
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:48:10 +0100

Schwolop wrote:

> Speaking of hard disks, does anybody understand the mB (megabyte = 2^20
> bytes which is slightly

mB would be millibyte, 10^-3 Bytes. Not possible.

Officially, (2^10)^n are called Mebibytes, Gibibytes.. etc by the IEC
(MiB, GiB...)

But almost noone uses those units - it doesnt really make a big
difference after all, and they were only announced in 1998, wikipedia
tells me.

> over 1 million bytes) versus MB (Megabyte = 1 000 000 bytes) thing? It
> seems to me that retailers just
> like to be able to claim larger sizes for their hard drives, but it's
> frustrating, and as drives get bigger
> and bigger, it's going to be more of a disparity too. *grumble grumble*

The sizes are correct in a way, you actually get a drive with 10^9
bytes, a true Gigabyte... Your os wants its Giga to have 2^30, so thats
why you get a smaller number shown. Quite a bit is also lost to the
filesystem of you choice, so you get even less space for acutal files.

--
Tobias Beckmann

From:	jugglingeek
Subject:	Re: Juggling whales ....
Date:	20 Jan 2005 00:02:40 GMT

Luke Burrage wrote:
> > Sorry to highjack such an important thread, but I've seen this a few
> > times, and I'm wondering if it's just a typo or something else. In the
> > numbers shown above, it looks like the poster uses periods where commas
> > should be. I read it initially as 870 Radical Fish Street Pros and a
> > multiplyer of 2 for the drug dosage (both of these numbers were very
> > percise, in that they were shown to the thousandth decimal place).
> >
> > Is there some kind of common nomencature (or language) where one million
> > is represented as 1.000.000 instead of 1,000,000? If so, how do you
> > represent decimals smaller than a whole unit (Example: Pi = 3.14)?
>
>
> In many European languages, commas are used as decimal points. Thus, "1,5
> V" means "one and one-half volts." However, commas are never used this way
> in English, except in South Africa.
>
> Today most publishers with an international audience use the international
> system writing style. They write the number fifteen million as "15 000
> 000." The only punctuation mark is the decimal mark -- a period in English
> text, a comma in all other languages. For example, "twelve thousand
> fifty-one dollars, seven cents, and half a mill," is written in symbols as
> "$12 051.070 5" in English text, but "$12 051,070 5" in text of any other
> language.
>
> Historically, English writers often put commas between each group of three
> digits. They would write the number fifteen million as "15,000,000." A
> number with a decimal does not use commas in the fractional portion. Thus,
> "twelve thousand fifty-one dollars, seven cents, and half a mill" is
> written in symbols as "$12,051.0705."
>
> Historically, writers in many European languages used exactly the opposite
> convention. They would write the above quantities something like
> "15.000.000" and "?12 051,070 5."
>
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Since we are on the subject could some one clear somthing up. how much is
a billion. I always thought
that since a million was one thousand thousands (6 zeros) then
1,000,000,000 would be one
thousand million and one billion would be one million million
1,000,000,000,000 but it seems that
Americans want to call 1,000,000,000 one billion and now British media has
started to refer to
£1,000,000,000 as one billion pounds. I post this because I know many
jugglers are into maths.

Is this cheaper billion yet more Americanization of our British cuture?

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From:	Rory Parle
Subject:	Re: Juggling whales ....
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 01:51:38 +0000

jugglingeek wrote:
> Luke Burrage wrote:
>
>>>Sorry to highjack such an important thread, but I've seen this a few
>>>times, and I'm wondering if it's just a typo or something else. In the
>>>numbers shown above, it looks like the poster uses periods where commas
>>>should be. I read it initially as 870 Radical Fish Street Pros and a
>>>multiplyer of 2 for the drug dosage (both of these numbers were very
>>>percise, in that they were shown to the thousandth decimal place).
>>>
>>>Is there some kind of common nomencature (or language) where one million
>>>is represented as 1.000.000 instead of 1,000,000? If so, how do you
>>>represent decimals smaller than a whole unit (Example: Pi = 3.14)?
>>
>>In many European languages, commas are used as decimal points. Thus, "1,5
>>V" means "one and one-half volts." However, commas are never used this way
>>in English, except in South Africa.
>>
>>Today most publishers with an international audience use the international
>>system writing style. They write the number fifteen million as "15 000
>>000." The only punctuation mark is the decimal mark -- a period in English
>>text, a comma in all other languages. For example, "twelve thousand
>>fifty-one dollars, seven cents, and half a mill," is written in symbols as
>>"$12 051.070 5" in English text, but "$12 051,070 5" in text of any other
>>language.
>>
>>Historically, English writers often put commas between each group of three
>>digits. They would write the number fifteen million as "15,000,000." A
>>number with a decimal does not use commas in the fractional portion. Thus,
>>"twelve thousand fifty-one dollars, seven cents, and half a mill" is
>>written in symbols as "$12,051.0705."
>>
>>Historically, writers in many European languages used exactly the opposite
>>convention. They would write the above quantities something like
>>"15.000.000" and "?12 051,070 5."
>
> Since we are on the subject could some one clear somthing up. how much is
> a billion. I always thought
> that since a million was one thousand thousands (6 zeros) then
> 1,000,000,000 would be one
> thousand million and one billion would be one million million
> 1,000,000,000,000 but it seems that
> Americans want to call 1,000,000,000 one billion and now British media has
> started to refer to
> £1,000,000,000 as one billion pounds. I post this because I know many
> jugglers are into maths.
>
> Is this cheaper billion yet more Americanization of our British cuture?

A billion is almost universally taken to mean 10^9, but it used to be
the case that it was taken to mean 10^12 in Britain. I could do what
Luke did and just copy the Wikipedia article, but I'm sure you can find it.

--
Rory Parle
http://www.netsoc.dit.ie/~jugsoc/

From:	Jay Linn
Subject:	Re: Juggling whales ....
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:22:00 +0000

jugglingeek wrote:

> Since we are on the subject could some one clear somthing up. how much is
> a billion. I always thought
> that since a million was one thousand thousands (6 zeros) then
> 1,000,000,000 would be one
> thousand million and one billion would be one million million
> 1,000,000,000,000 but it seems that
> Americans want to call 1,000,000,000 one billion and now British media has
> started to refer to
> £1,000,000,000 as one billion pounds. I post this because I know many
> jugglers are into maths.
>
> Is this cheaper billion yet more Americanization of our British cuture?

The old British billion - 1,000,000,000,000 - is now entirely
outdated, and the new billion is universally recognised as being
1,000,000,000. The old billion is now referred to as a trillion, despite
there also being an old trillion.

I'm not sure that it is an example of Americanisation, so much as
practical expedience - just as IT has a convenient ladder of prefixes
denoting orders of magnitude in steps of 3 (kilo-, mega-, giga-, tera-,
peta-), so natural numbers seem easier to deal with in steps of 3,
rather than the old British method of steps of 6 orders of magnitude.

It ain't without precedent, either - restructuring of methods of
measurement is common and continuous. How many pennies to the pound
Sterling? A hundred I hear you say? Not when I was born - there were
240, 12 to each of the 20 shillings in a British pound. The same goes
for measuring systems such as weights in Troy or Avoirdupois.

--
Jay Linn

Plus ça change? Bollocks, does it!

Edit: My speelchucker suggests I should have written 'Americanization' -
now *that* is Americanisation of the worst kind. Abominable.

From:	staticjuggler
Subject:	Re: Juggling whales ....
Date:	19 Jan 2005 20:25:50 GMT

I bet you couldn't write a er question than that if you tried.

Dan Simper wrote:
> I'd like to juggle whales.
>
> What do I need ?

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From:	Eccles
Subject:	Re: Juggling whales ....
Date:	19 Jan 2005 20:55:47 GMT

staticjuggler wrote:
> I bet you couldn't write a er question than that if you tried.

Well at least the question is comfortable with it's uality, and not
trying to hide it's true inner feelings with acts of machismo and
homophobia. What's worse? An openly question, or a question who
pretends to be a straight question?

> Dan Simper wrote:
> > I'd like to juggle whales.
> >
> > What do I need ?
>

Prozac?

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From:	staticjuggler
Subject:	Re: Juggling whales ....
Date:	19 Jan 2005 21:27:46 GMT

Ok, I got a better answer then.

> > Dan Simper wrote:
> > > I'd like to juggle whales.
> > >
> > > What do I need ?

3 props the size of your mom.

Soz guys, I freaking hate spam.

Eccles wrote:
> staticjuggler wrote:
> > I bet you couldn't write a er question than that if you tried.
>
> Well at least the question is comfortable with it's uality, and not
> trying to hide it's true inner feelings with acts of machismo and
> homophobia. What's worse? An openly question, or a question who
> pretends to be a straight question?
>
> > Dan Simper wrote:
> > > I'd like to juggle whales.
> > >
> > > What do I need ?
> >
>
> Prozac?
>
>
>
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From:	Luke Holman
Subject:	Re: Juggling whales ....
Date:	19 Jan 2005 16:50:17 GMT

Dan Simper wrote:
> I'd like to juggle whales.
>
> What do I need ?

Start on something smaller, like baby seals, otherwise you'll develop a
bad technique later on. Progress to porpoises or dolphins (NB the great
Jay Gilligan uses Henry's Dolphins)and work your way up to the larger
Cetacea. You might want to videotape your practices and analyse the shape
of your whale pattern. Does each throw go to the same height? Are the
whales trying to escape using their blow holes for jet propulsion? Also,
you might want to use whales that come with special handles for juggling,
like this one:

http://home.comcast.net/~darkdan/whale.jpg

HTH, let us know how you get on.

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From:	Mutton
Subject:	Re: Juggling whales ....
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:24:29 -0500

Luke Holman wrote:
> Dan Simper wrote:
>
>>I'd like to juggle whales.
>>
>>What do I need ?
>
>
> Start on something smaller, like baby seals, otherwise you'll develop a
> bad technique later on. Progress to porpoises or dolphins (NB the great
> Jay Gilligan uses Henry's Dolphins)and work your way up to the larger
> Cetacea. You might want to videotape your practices and analyse the shape
> of your whale pattern. Does each throw go to the same height? Are the
> whales trying to escape using their blow holes for jet propulsion? Also,
> you might want to use whales that come with special handles for juggling,
> like this one:

We call them "males."

>
> http://home.comcast.net/~darkdan/whale.jpg
>
> HTH, let us know how you get on.
>
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>

- Andrew