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 | | From: | Stephen Brain | | Subject: | Shower Siteswap Transitions? | | Date: | 24 Jan 2005 06:07:57 GMT |
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 | Can anyone tell me the siteswap for transitions from regular juggling
patterns (cascade, fountain) into the shower pattern. I tried to figure it
out via Juggle Lab, but it didn't work. For a three ball shouldn't it be
153315? Thanks.
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| | From: | Schwolop | | Subject: | Re: Shower Siteswap Transitions? | | Date: | 24 Jan 2005 07:33:31 GMT |
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| In <41f4998c$0$23055$bed64819@news.gradwell.net> on 24/01/05 5:45 PM,
Mangatang wrote:
> Stephen Brain wrote:
>> Can anyone tell me the siteswap for transitions from regular juggling
>> patterns (cascade, fountain) into the shower pattern. I tried to
>> figure it out via Juggle Lab, but it didn't work. For a three ball
>> shouldn't it be 153315? Thanks. ----== posted via www.jugglingdb.com
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> 333333535051515151512
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Ewww Mangatang! That's horrible... Why not try 4 as the entry and 2 as
the exit? 3333451515151233333 or if you really want to make life easy
for yourself 333335251515151233333
This works for all numbers, as n,n+1,...2n-1,1,2,...,n-1 is always a
valid siteswap for n balls. Hence the entry for an n ball shower is n+1,
n+2,...,2n-2 which then lets you run 2n-1,1 which is the shower.
(Commas between each number are to hopefully simplify it)
--
Tom
junk@jugglethis.net with my name instead of junk...
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| | From: | Tonza | | Subject: | Re: Shower Siteswap Transitions? | | Date: | 24 Jan 2005 07:28:25 GMT |
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| yo!
with 3 balls async 333345151515223333 should be quite easy.
with 4 balls u can try async 44456717171... or sync
(4,4)(4,4)(4,6x)(2x,6x)(2x,6x)(2x,6x)....
these was the first shower transitions i worked on.
give it a try and have fun!!!!
PEACE!
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| | From: | Mangatang | | Subject: | Re: Shower Siteswap Transitions? | | Date: | 24 Jan 2005 06:45:33 GMT |
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| Stephen Brain wrote:
> Can anyone tell me the siteswap for transitions from regular juggling
> patterns (cascade, fountain) into the shower pattern. I tried to figure it
> out via Juggle Lab, but it didn't work. For a three ball shouldn't it be
> 153315? Thanks.
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333333535051515151512
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| | From: | Iain | | Subject: | Re: Shower Siteswap Transitions? | | Date: | 24 Jan 2005 00:04:06 -0800 |
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| I think the best way to figure these out is with a diagram thingy.
Using such a beast, I produced this (for 3 balls), which should do more
or less what you expect if you shove it into an animator:
33335350515151515123333
The basic idea is that if you make a diagram of the basic pattern,
3333, and then put a few 5 throws from the right hand on the end of it,
you know that you need to get all the balls into the right places to
start throwing ones from the other hands. Basically, draw in lines that
supply balls for the 5 throws (that's where the first 3 comes from),
and look at what you need to do to ensure a supply of balls for the 1
throws. Whenever a hand's not doing anything, throw in a zero.
That's the process I used, but unfortunately it won't make any sense if
you don't understand ladder and causal diagrams. Have a read of
http://www.jugglingdb.com/articles/index.php?id=33&page=4, then draw
yourself a ladder diagram and fill in the gaps.
By the same method, I produced a 4 ball transition
44444445851717171717171714144444.
It might be worth noting that I don't actually transition into or out
of a shower using these siteswaps. This is probably largely because I
tend to juggle a synchronous shower, but additionally I don't (and have
never done) transitions by siteswap.
I generally think about it for a while, then just throw it and see what
happens. For a synchronous 3-ball shower, you just throw one high-ish
out of a cascade and when it comes down you start doing (4x,2x) with
the 2x's coming from the hand that the high-ish ball comes down to. For
a 4-ball, I have been doing 2 crazy high throws out of the right (doing
a normal throw from the left hand as I do so), then use the right hand
to snatch the ball I just throw from the left hand. At this point, you
are in the shower pattern, more or less. Caveat: I've only made that
work twice, and I can only run a 4 ball shower for 15 catches or so on
a good day, so all my comments about it should be taken with several
grains of salt.
-Iain
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| | From: | Itsik Orr | | Subject: | Re: Shower Siteswap Transitions? | | Date: | Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:53:34 +0200 |
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| Iain wrote :
> 33335350515151515123333
Personally I agree with Tom (Schwolop). The easiest transition I use, for
all number of balls (well, err, that is to say 3 4 and 5 balls in my case
:-) is just throwing the consecutive higher number till I get to the shower
throw. Examples:
* 3 balls (shower is 51): Throw 4 and then 5 which is the first throw of the
shower and start doing 1s with the other hand.
* 4 balls (shower is 71): Throw 5, then 6 and then a 7 which is the first
throw of the shower and start doing 1s with the other hand.
* 5 balls (shower is 91): Throw 6, 7, 8 and then 9 and start doing 1s with
the other hand.
You get the point.
For 3 and 4 balls I can also get the full siteswap going (to one shower
throw and all the way back to one shower throw in the other hand): For 3
that would be 12345, and for 4 it's 1234567. Really fun patterns. Too hard
for me with 5 though.
To go back to caskade/fountain just stop on the appropriate siteswap in the
sequence and keep throwing that
(e.g. with three balls: ...333->4->51...51->2->333...
or with four balls: ...444->56->71...71->23->444...).
This can also be extended to transitioning into all-the-balls-in-one-hand
patterns -
For three balls: ...333->45->60...60->12->333...
and for four: ...444->567->80...80->123->444...
The full patterns, taking all the balls from one hand to the other and back,
would be, with three balls - 0123456, or with four - 012345678 (that one's a
little too much for me, but I have seen it done).
I find these consecutive numbers siteswaps to be very amusing patterns that
are really fun to juggle.
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