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 | | From: | pedros25 | | Subject: | Conditioning training for Tan Tien (Massage / Herbs) ? | | Date: | 21 Jan 2005 03:48:53 -0800 |
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 | Hello,
I read in a book (Embryonic Breathing), that the Tan Tien should be
conditioned to be able to collect more chi than the average
person.(*1)
It mentioned following practice:
1) Massage of Lower-Abdomen
2) Normal Abdominal Breathing
3) Reverse Abdominal Breathing
4) Herbs
Point 1-3 all belongs to a type of kinetik stimulation. 2-3 are more
effective for advanced practice.
I remember that, when I play didgeridoo fast and powerfull, my lower
abdomen feels like a hot potatoe (yum)! Perhaps we can add to the list
the playing of didgeridoo too!?
But what type of Herbs can be used to conditioning the tan tien or the
lower abdomen?
Are there any western herbs or foods that can be used instead of the
chinese herbs? (In Germany this Herbs are too expensive!)
regards
Pedro
(*1) Average Person = Non practicant of Chi Kung or Tai Chi
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| | From: | ordosclan at mail.hongkong.com | | Subject: | Re: Conditioning training for Tan Tien (Massage / Herbs) ? | | Date: | 23 Jan 2005 15:20:30 -0800 |
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| pedros25 wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I read in a book (Embryonic Breathing), that the Tan Tien should be
> conditioned to be able to collect more chi than the average
> person.(*1)
>
> It mentioned following practice:
> 1) Massage of Lower-Abdomen
> 2) Normal Abdominal Breathing
> 3) Reverse Abdominal Breathing
> 4) Herbs
>
> Point 1-3 all belongs to a type of kinetik stimulation. 2-3 are more
> effective for advanced practice.
> I remember that, when I play didgeridoo fast and powerfull, my lower
> abdomen feels like a hot potatoe (yum)! Perhaps we can add to the
list
> the playing of didgeridoo too!?
>
> But what type of Herbs can be used to conditioning the tan tien or
the
> lower abdomen?
> Are there any western herbs or foods that can be used instead of the
> chinese herbs? (In Germany this Herbs are too expensive!)
>
> regards
> Pedro
>
> (*1) Average Person = Non practicant of Chi Kung or Tai Chi
Digerdoo? I dont even want to know. Herbs, moxa oil and other
concoctions, some kind of esoteric in the navel (belly button).
Actually some believe the lower burner is the hui yin and the middle
burner is the belly button. Such is the case for many tantric
practices (spiraling at the navel).
The navel is developed to gather and absorb and process energy and
purify it and bring it into the microcosmic circuit and into the rest
of the psychic channels and eventually into the 12 primary meridians.
So when your read some texts, esp. the older ones not infected with
contemporary nonsense, you have to carefully judge if they are talking
about the "real" tan tien or the "false" tan tien. The location of the
burners being and extra problem. If you imagine fire in the lower dan
tien, it tends to just sit there.
But if you "burn" the huiyin, it rouses itself to move in the
microcosmic circulation, often in the water path (up the front down the
back). This is the method dealt with in the daoyin tradition. Where
actually physically moving qi in the channels is often looked down upon
or shunned as improper method. When you do a single breath swallowing,
on the exhale the evil wind exits the body through the nose via the
spine (wind path). So the process there is seen as "mechanical" to the
act of swallowing a single breath (properly that is). Its not
something you force.
Looks like this book might be another yang jwing-ming albatross.
Probably a translation/rehash of the primordial breathing books no?
The primary method of breathing for the prenatal methods is not soo
called buddhist breathing or taoist breathing but orthodromic
breathing. It is called embryonic as such that your stomach poofs out
on the inbreath as if your pregnant. This is called the crane breath.
After inhale it is also where you would apply the "horse lock" bandhas.
But its not nessessary. Moxa burn on the lower abdomen, the yuan
points or the navel. Like fill the navel with salt and use a slice of
ginger. Dont moxa if yoru diabetic. It makes your blood sugar shoot
up.
Moxa oil is good, drop it in your navel. The only thing seen to really
warm the middle burner is ginger. Galangal comes to mind as being
seriously fucking hot for warming the navel. If you need such a thing.
There is a problem with people imaging fire in the lower and middle
burners. There's already plenty of heat in the burners. So why would
someone need more? Thats a sure fire way to damage the yin fluid and
can also lead to serious metabolic problems.
Whereas with the navel, you might have cold in the kidneys, ect. The
real secret is the "type" of fire. A lot if not most of the
self-immolation practices amongst buddhist monks are misinterpretations
of "fire kindling" methods. In the qigong tradition, not enough people
understand how to close and so too much emphasis is put on focusing on
the tantien and not on the heart.
Orthodromic breathing places your focus lower and when you retain the
breath it prevents the blood from forcing into the head like when you
take a chest breath and hold it. As far as conditioning the dan tien,
you can do that by using your hand or fist. Adam tsu's videos on
bajiquan teach their method of paida and the abdomen method consists of
hitting the abdomen with palms or fist while tensing and relaxing the
abdomen. Mantak chia's book also teaches it. If you use the wire
hitter you get a serious detox reaction. Not as much as the back of
the knees, but you feel it. Its supposed increase qi flow. It
definitly increases urine flow, at least at the beginning.
This can also be seen as a type of packing or qi condensing exercise.
Albiet a farily primitive one. The herbs or food are probably
primarily for detoxification to protect the kidneys. There is little
internally that actually warms the middle burner. A few for the lower.
If you can feel the heat, there's probably too much. Most people cant
even feel excess heat internally, but it can effect their health very
strongly. That sounds like a really bad combination.
ordosclan@mail.hongkong.com
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| | From: | mcherrill at yahoo.co.uk | | Subject: | Re: Conditioning training for Tan Tien (Massage / Herbs) ? | | Date: | 21 Jan 2005 04:32:31 -0800 |
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| > I remember that, when I play didgeridoo fast and powerfull, my lower
> abdomen feels like a hot potatoe (yum)! Perhaps we can add to the
list
> the playing of didgeridoo too!?
I find, and I think that it's more advanced; that the feeling is like
the more culinarily demanding toad-in-the-hole (scrummy!). As for
herbs, might I suggest a light sprinkling of oregano, or some basil,
perhaps?
For reference, I recommend the works of Mrs Beaton and of Auguste
Escoffier.
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