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 | | From: | Mike Sigman | | Subject: | Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:17:20 -0700 |
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 | FREE SPEECH FOR ME, BUT NOT FOR THEE
From the Washington Post's Inauguration Blog:
Hundreds of people gathered at both ends of Meridian Hill Park in Northwest
Washington for a peace rally sponsored by the D.C Antiwar Network.
But there were interlopers: Thirteen members of ProtestWarror, supporting
the Bush administration and its policies in Iraq. When the Bush supporters
arrived, about 20 black-clad, self-described anarchists emerged from the
crowd, shouting profanity and epithets and demanding that they leave the
peace rally.
When the Bush supporters refused to leave, the anarchists tore the sign out
of the Bush supporters' hands and stomped on them. When ProtestWarrior
leader Gil Kobrin objected, several male anarchists knocked him to the
ground, kicking him in the back and punching him. Other anarchists punched
and shoved Kobrin's 12 colleagues.
After D.C. Antiwar Network members broke up the fight, the Bush supporters
heeded their order to leave the park. Kobrin then called D.C. police, who
are now guarding them at the entrance of the park as they hold up their
pro-war signs. "We're going to hang tight," Kobrin said. "We're expressing
our freedom of speech just as they are expressing theirs."
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| | From: | calvinthecat at ocsnet.net | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | 21 Jan 2005 09:07:05 -0800 |
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hal@nospam.com wrote:
> Do you really thing the Republicans are morally above the ability to
> have their own "anarchist" plants start violence and blame it on the
> "peace activists"? Don't you see the complete incongruity of a
> peace protest and violent attacks? Don't you see how easy a set up
> would be in this case?
Hal, if anybody is a Republican plant then it has to be you. You have
done more to help the Republican cause than anybody else I know.
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| | From: | hcannon18 | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:55:44 -0600 |
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> Hal, if anybody is a Republican plant then it has to be you. You have
> done more to help the Republican cause than anybody else I know.
Well said. I mean who wants nuts like that running a country.
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| | From: | lklawson at my-deja.com | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | 20 Jan 2005 13:40:11 -0800 |
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aGnostic wrote:
> <> supporting
> the Bush administration and its policies in Iraq. When the Bush
> supporters
> arrived, about 20 black-clad, self-described anarchists emerged from
> the
> crowd, shouting profanity and epithets and demanding that they leave
> the
> peace rally.>>
>
>
> Way to write a clear, concise article. Sounds like the vibe of this
> 'presidency' is VIOLENCE and will reverberate through it's every
> interaction.
And I say the same to you that I did to Mike.
Say what?
You're blaming an anti-violence's group's hypocracy on *BUSH*?!?!
Peace favor your sword (IH)
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| | From: | calvinthecat at ocsnet.net | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | 21 Jan 2005 11:04:30 -0800 |
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Sucka wrote:
> >
> >You're blaming an anti-violence's group's hypocracy
>
> Will you stop misspelling this word? It's irritating.
And it misleads the spelling impared. Shame on you.
So it is realy spelled b-l-e-m-i-n-g ? Right?
:)
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| | From: | Sucka | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | 21 Jan 2005 18:47:49 GMT |
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>You're blaming an anti-violence's group's hypocracy
Will you stop misspelling this word? It's irritating.
Trav
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| | From: | mikejc563 at yahoo.com | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | 20 Jan 2005 12:52:22 -0800 |
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Mike Sigman wrote:
> FREE SPEECH FOR ME, BUT NOT FOR THEE
>
> From the Washington Post's Inauguration Blog:
> Hundreds of people gathered at both ends of Meridian Hill Park in
Northwest
> Washington for a peace rally sponsored by the D.C Antiwar Network.
>
> But there were interlopers: Thirteen members of ProtestWarror,
supporting
> the Bush administration and its policies in Iraq. When the Bush
supporters
> arrived, about 20 black-clad, self-described anarchists emerged from
the
> crowd, shouting profanity and epithets and demanding that they leave
the
> peace rally.
> When the Bush supporters refused to leave, the anarchists tore the
sign out
> of the Bush supporters' hands and stomped on them. When
ProtestWarrior
> leader Gil Kobrin objected, several male anarchists knocked him to
the
> ground, kicking him in the back and punching him. Other anarchists
punched
> and shoved Kobrin's 12 colleagues.
> After D.C. Antiwar Network members broke up the fight, the Bush
supporters
> heeded their order to leave the park. Kobrin then called D.C. police,
who
> are now guarding them at the entrance of the park as they hold up
their
> pro-war signs. "We're going to hang tight," Kobrin said. "We're
expressing
> our freedom of speech just as they are expressing theirs."
And with a Bush and a Dick in office, we get fucked...
;>(
Mike
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| | From: | lklawson at my-deja.com | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | 21 Jan 2005 05:15:37 -0800 |
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mikejc563@yahoo.com wrote:
> lklaw...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > mikejc...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > > And with a Bush and a Dick in office, we get fucked...
> > > ;>(
> > >
> > > Mike
> >
> > Say what?
> >
> > You're blaming an anti-violence's group's hypocracy on *BUSH*?!?!
> >
> >
> Wasn't talking about them. Just making a funny...sorry you didn't
> appreciate it.
>
> Mike
Fair enough.
Peace favor your sword (IH)
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| | From: | hal at nospam.com | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:35:11 -0700 |
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| On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:17:20 -0700, "Mike Sigman"
wrote:
>FREE SPEECH FOR ME, BUT NOT FOR THEE
>
>From the Washington Post's Inauguration Blog:
>Hundreds of people gathered at both ends of Meridian Hill Park in Northwest
>Washington for a peace rally sponsored by the D.C Antiwar Network.
>
>But there were interlopers: Thirteen members of ProtestWarror, supporting
>the Bush administration and its policies in Iraq. When the Bush supporters
>arrived, about 20 black-clad, self-described anarchists
How do you know they were "self-described anarchists"?
>emerged from the
>crowd, shouting profanity and epithets and demanding that they leave the
>peace rally.
Were they in their previously assigned "Free Speech Zone"?
>When the Bush supporters refused to leave, the anarchists tore the sign out
>of the Bush supporters' hands and stomped on them.
So what does an anti-war protestor have to with with an anarchist
again?
>When ProtestWarrior
>leader Gil Kobrin objected, several male anarchists knocked him to the
>ground, kicking him in the back and punching him. Other anarchists punched
>and shoved Kobrin's 12 colleagues.
What's with the thing about anarchist now?
>After D.C. Antiwar Network members broke up the fight, the Bush supporters
>heeded their order to leave the park. Kobrin then called D.C. police, who
>are now guarding them at the entrance of the park as they hold up their
>pro-war signs. "We're going to hang tight," Kobrin said. "We're expressing
>our freedom of speech just as they are expressing theirs."
OK.
So how do you know the "anarchists" weren't pro-war plants?
Hal
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| | From: | ghoul | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:38:52 -0500 |
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| hal@nospam.com wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:17:20 -0700, "Mike Sigman"
> wrote:
>
>>FREE SPEECH FOR ME, BUT NOT FOR THEE
>>
>>From the Washington Post's Inauguration Blog:
>>Hundreds of people gathered at both ends of Meridian Hill Park in
>>Northwest Washington for a peace rally sponsored by the D.C Antiwar
>>Network.
>>
>>But there were interlopers: Thirteen members of ProtestWarror, supporting
>>the Bush administration and its policies in Iraq. When the Bush supporters
>>arrived, about 20 black-clad, self-described anarchists
>
> How do you know they were "self-described anarchists"?
>
>>emerged from the
>>crowd, shouting profanity and epithets and demanding that they leave the
>>peace rally.
>
> Were they in their previously assigned "Free Speech Zone"?
>
>>When the Bush supporters refused to leave, the anarchists tore the sign
>>out of the Bush supporters' hands and stomped on them.
>
> So what does an anti-war protestor have to with with an anarchist
> again?
>
>>When ProtestWarrior
>>leader Gil Kobrin objected, several male anarchists knocked him to the
>>ground, kicking him in the back and punching him. Other anarchists punched
>>and shoved Kobrin's 12 colleagues.
>
> What's with the thing about anarchist now?
>
>>After D.C. Antiwar Network members broke up the fight, the Bush supporters
>>heeded their order to leave the park. Kobrin then called D.C. police, who
>>are now guarding them at the entrance of the park as they hold up their
>>pro-war signs. "We're going to hang tight," Kobrin said. "We're expressing
>>our freedom of speech just as they are expressing theirs."
>
> OK.
>
> So how do you know the "anarchists" weren't pro-war plants?
>
> Hal
how do you know they were. Time to face reality Hal. The Repubs didn't win
the election. The DEMs caved in on themselves and the Michael Moores of the
world are to blame. Suck it up you walking answer to a question noone
asked.
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| | From: | Bryce | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:14:54 -0800 |
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> So how do you know the "anarchists" weren't pro-war plants?
>
> Hal
>
Dude, sometimes you are just too much. Hey..maybe it was Trav that set the
whole thing up as some part of his grand conspiracy to troll the newsgroup.
It's just the sort of thing he would do, right? In all seriousness, thanks
for this. You crack me up man.
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| | From: | hal at nospam.com | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:21:06 -0700 |
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| On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:14:54 -0800, "Bryce" wrote:
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>> So how do you know the "anarchists" weren't pro-war plants?
>>
>> Hal
>>
>Dude, sometimes you are just too much. Hey..maybe it was Trav that set the
>whole thing up as some part of his grand conspiracy to troll the newsgroup.
>It's just the sort of thing he would do, right? In all seriousness, thanks
>for this. You crack me up man.
Sorry to break it to you dude, but this is a well known, tried and
proven effective political strategy. Gives lots of easy propaganda
points. Too easy to do. Actually there have already been a couple of
incidents documented during the Bush campaign. Do a search if you
want. I will post a couple of links when I can find them.
Hal
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| | From: | Bryce | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:18:35 -0800 |
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> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:14:54 -0800, "Bryce" wrote:
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>>>
>>> So how do you know the "anarchists" weren't pro-war plants?
>>>
>>> Hal
>>>
>>Dude, sometimes you are just too much. Hey..maybe it was Trav that set
>>the
>>whole thing up as some part of his grand conspiracy to troll the
>>newsgroup.
>>It's just the sort of thing he would do, right? In all seriousness,
>>thanks
>>for this. You crack me up man.
>
> Sorry to break it to you dude, but this is a well known, tried and
> proven effective political strategy. Gives lots of easy propaganda
> points. Too easy to do. Actually there have already been a couple of
> incidents documented during the Bush campaign. Do a search if you
> want. I will post a couple of links when I can find them.
>
> Hal
>
I'm pretty sure these are the guys in question.
http://www.anarchistresistance.org/anarchistcall.shtml
When in doubt, I choose the straightforward explanation over the grand
conspiracy theories. I have to say that your ability to convince yourself
of anything, no matter how far-fetched or illogical, often in the face of
overwhelming evidence to the contrary, is quite charming. Don't ever
change.
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| | From: | hal at nospam.com | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:33:45 -0700 |
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| On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:18:35 -0800, "Bryce" wrote:
>
> wrote in message
>news:qdl2v09albh1nngg0ba2dt2g2dh7hi5ni4@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:14:54 -0800, "Bryce" wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> So how do you know the "anarchists" weren't pro-war plants?
>>>>
>>>> Hal
>>>>
>>>Dude, sometimes you are just too much. Hey..maybe it was Trav that set
>>>the
>>>whole thing up as some part of his grand conspiracy to troll the
>>>newsgroup.
>>>It's just the sort of thing he would do, right? In all seriousness,
>>>thanks
>>>for this. You crack me up man.
>>
>> Sorry to break it to you dude, but this is a well known, tried and
>> proven effective political strategy. Gives lots of easy propaganda
>> points. Too easy to do. Actually there have already been a couple of
>> incidents documented during the Bush campaign. Do a search if you
>> want. I will post a couple of links when I can find them.
>>
>> Hal
>>
>
>I'm pretty sure these are the guys in question.
>
>http://www.anarchistresistance.org/anarchistcall.shtml
How do you know? Sigman never established that.
>
>When in doubt, I choose the straightforward explanation over the grand
>conspiracy theories. I have to say that your ability to convince yourself
>of anything, no matter how far-fetched or illogical, often in the face of
>overwhelming evidence to the contrary, is quite charming. Don't ever
>change.
I only said it was possible, and has happened in the past. I was
amused by Sigman's repeated characterization of "anarchists". I
didn't think any such link was established. So don't get your pooper
all puckered up on us now. I was only questioning Sigman's
prejudices, and of course all the non sequiturs that followed.
Hal
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| | From: | Mike Sigman | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:35:44 -0700 |
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> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:18:35 -0800, "Bryce" wrote:
>
>>
>> wrote in message
>>news:qdl2v09albh1nngg0ba2dt2g2dh7hi5ni4@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:14:54 -0800, "Bryce" wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So how do you know the "anarchists" weren't pro-war plants?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hal
>>>>>
>>>>Dude, sometimes you are just too much. Hey..maybe it was Trav that set
>>>>the
>>>>whole thing up as some part of his grand conspiracy to troll the
>>>>newsgroup.
>>>>It's just the sort of thing he would do, right? In all seriousness,
>>>>thanks
>>>>for this. You crack me up man.
>>>
>>> Sorry to break it to you dude, but this is a well known, tried and
>>> proven effective political strategy. Gives lots of easy propaganda
>>> points. Too easy to do. Actually there have already been a couple of
>>> incidents documented during the Bush campaign. Do a search if you
>>> want. I will post a couple of links when I can find them.
>>>
>>> Hal
>>>
>>
>>I'm pretty sure these are the guys in question.
>>
>>http://www.anarchistresistance.org/anarchistcall.shtml
>
> How do you know? Sigman never established that.
>
>>
>>When in doubt, I choose the straightforward explanation over the grand
>>conspiracy theories. I have to say that your ability to convince yourself
>>of anything, no matter how far-fetched or illogical, often in the face of
>>overwhelming evidence to the contrary, is quite charming. Don't ever
>>change.
>
> I only said it was possible, and has happened in the past. I was
> amused by Sigman's repeated characterization of "anarchists". I
> didn't think any such link was established. So don't get your pooper
> all puckered up on us now. I was only questioning Sigman's
> prejudices, and of course all the non sequiturs that followed.
Hal.... you are such a dumb fuck. :
Protesting the Protesters
Small Band of Conservatives Comes to Town to Answer Anti-Bush Groups
By Robert MacMillan
washingtonpost.com Staff Writer
Thursday, January 20, 2005; 5:59 PM
Ten minutes after telling his fellow protesters to stay safe, Gil Kobrin lay
huddled in the slush and mud as two anarchists repeatedly kicked him in the
back.
How he got from point A to point B is simple enough. Kobrin, accompanied by
a dozen members of the conservative group ProtestWarrior, crashed a rally of
hundreds of anti-Bush demonstrators at Meridian Park in Washington, D.C.
Holding aloft signs that read "Say no to war unless a Democrat is president"
and "Not to brag, but Bush won, so shove it!" they had set off earlier on
inauguration morning in search of their opposites.
The ProtestWarrior contingent didn't have to search for very long; the party
came to them.
"You can go a [expletive] half-mile away and stand on the first street
corner you see!" shouted a self-described anarchist, dressed all in black
with a bandana covering his face. As they taunted and threatened and
liberally profaned Kobrin and the rest of the group, a member of the D.C.
Anti-War Network (DAWN) -- the official organizers of the rally -- tried to
break it up.
"Your purpose is to instigate people. You're going to have to leave!"
shouted the "marshal," DAWN's term for their ad hoc security force.
"We're staying here," Kobrin replied.
Then he went down under a hail of black boots. Once the marshals pulled the
anarchists away, ProtestWarrior sued for peace and made for the exit. Their
chant of "Four more years!" was answered by the anarchists' reply: "Wah wah
wah!"
It wasn't much of a contest. ProtestWarrior's contingent numbered 13, the
other side in the hundreds. If they won any hearts and minds, no one said
so.
"I expected it, but I didn't expect to be kicked in the back," Kobrin said
later. His boyish, twentysomething face wore a wry smile and he stood
upright, but conceded that he was in some pain.
Kobrin is a dedicated member of ProtestWarrior, a two-year-old group formed
to demonstrate against the demonstrators. A theology student from Far
Rockaway, Queens, he was the organizer of the group's inauguration day
action, code-named "Operation Hail to the Chief."
It was modeled on ProtestWarrior's primary M.O.: mingle with protesters,
mix, await angry abuse and epithets and then label the peaceniks as
aggressive hypocrites. Meanwhile, a ProtestWarrior videographer records the
whole affair to post on the Web site later. Videos already on the site show
off ProtestWarrior counter-protests in places such as San Francisco and in
New York during the Republican National Convention last August.
The group was founded by Kfir Alfia and Alan Lipton when the self-described
conservatives, both 30, were living in San Francisco and desperate for a
political counterweight to their "overwhelmingly liberal community."
ProtestWarrior might be a bastion of conservative ideals, but its brand of
humor is better suited to the hip left, and Alfia wouldn't be out of place
in the Abercrombie & Fitch catalog. Born in Tel Aviv, his photo shows he has
a face and body built either for a beefcake calendar or a recruitment poster
for the Israeli army. Lipton's photo reflects a younger, cooler, better-fed
Bill Gates with snazzier glasses.
The group's symbol, meanwhile, is a bare-chested, musclebound hero wielding
a sword. It looks like it sprang, Athena-like, from the paperback cover of
Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged."
ProtestWarrior's members see themselves as a baker's dozen dedicated to
balancing out DAWN, Turn Your Back on Bush, International ANSWER and the
myriad other organizations that took to the streets to denounce the Bush
administration, the war in Iraq and just about every other liberal bogeyman.
"They hate freedom and hate America," said ProtestWarrior's Dana Forehand,
24, a graphic designer with long brown hair who came down from Astoria,
Queens, to mix with the other side of the ideological street.
"I like the idea of reminding these people that they're not the overwhelming
majority," said David LaRue, 24, of Humboldt County, Calif. LaRue, unlike a
majority of the other ProtestWarrior members, is on his first "infiltration"
as they call it. He's worried because he heard that some of their opponents
were planning to hurl water balloons at them, a chilling prospect on a
sub-freezing morning.
After the scuffle, one young anarchist hurled a snowball, laced with dirt
and pebbles and whatever else he could scoop of the ground, at the
retreating ProtestWarrior members. The anarchist, who declined to offer his
name, said he did not believe in violence, but insisted that "Throwing a
snowball... is not going to hurt anybody."
Patrick McKale, 22, an anarchist from Baltimore, said he was pleased that
ProtestWarrior members took a few licks. He said he saw no irony in beating
people up at a peace rally. "Just because you're anti-imperialist doesn't
mean you're not against violence."
Kobrin and several of his comrades held their remaining signs aloft -- under
the protection of several D.C. police officers -- as the anti-Bush
demonstrators formed a parade to march down 16th Street to McPherson Square.
"Dude, you got your ass kicked," one of them taunted at the ProtestWarrior
group. Several anarchists, their bile neutered by the police presence,
resorted to creative hand signs. It brought to mind something Kobrin had
said in an earlier interview: "Ideally it should be a nice, cordial, open
dialogue."
Some in the anti-Bush crowd said they resented the fact that
ProtestWarrior's "man bites dog" schtick eats up a disproportionate amount
of press attention.
"They're taking the media away from us!" exclaimed one angry protester.
After the fight television crews popped up out of nowhere and reporters
rushed to the ProtestWarrior members. But just as soon, they melted away,
chasing after the legions of anti-war demonstrators banging on drums and
soda cans and carrying cardboard boxes done up as coffins draped in American
flags as they hoofed it down 16th St.
Kobrin and the ProtestWarrior crew hung out for a few more minutes before
reconnoitering at their car and heading down to 4th and Pennsylvania to get
another dose of the action. The drubbing from a few minutes before didn't
seem to act as much of a deterrent.
"We're going to hang tight," he said.
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| | From: | hal at nospam.com | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:50:34 -0700 |
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| On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:35:44 -0700, "Mike Sigman"
wrote:
>Hal.... you are such a dumb fuck. :
>
>Protesting the Protesters
>Small Band of Conservatives Comes to Town to Answer Anti-Bush Groups
>
No, clearly you the dumb fuck, Mikey, because this article clearly
indicates:
1. the original protest was peaceful and legal.
2. the problems were started because of harassment by Bush supporters
who did not want group (1) being allowed to exercise their free
speech
3. those carrying out the assault had absolutely nothing to do with
group (1)
4. group (1) made an attempt to break up the altercation.
5. You still cannot establish any connection between your anarchists,
the peaceful demonstration, or Democrats.
Hal
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| | From: | Mike Sigman | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:38:30 -0700 |
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> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:35:44 -0700, "Mike Sigman"
> wrote:
>
>
>>Hal.... you are such a dumb fuck. :
>>
>>Protesting the Protesters
>>Small Band of Conservatives Comes to Town to Answer Anti-Bush Groups
>>
>
> No, clearly you the dumb fuck, Mikey, because this article clearly
> indicates:
>
> 1. the original protest was peaceful and legal.
>
> 2. the problems were started because of harassment by Bush supporters
> who did not want group (1) being allowed to exercise their free
> speech
Er.... that's a bald-faced lie, Hal. The Protest Warriors **were exercising
their free-speech rights** in the same place. That's allowed under the
Constitution, Hal!!!! You Dumfuk.
>
> 3. those carrying out the assault had absolutely nothing to do with
> group (1)
Please... they were part of the same crowd of protesters.
>
> 4. group (1) made an attempt to break up the altercation.
>
> 5. You still cannot establish any connection between your anarchists,
> the peaceful demonstration, or Democrats.
>
Oh... excuse me... are you suggesting that the "Anarchists" are conservative
Republicans, Hal?
Mike
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| | From: | Bryce | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:42:46 -0800 |
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> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:18:35 -0800, "Bryce" wrote:
>
>>
>> wrote in message
>>news:qdl2v09albh1nngg0ba2dt2g2dh7hi5ni4@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:14:54 -0800, "Bryce" wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So how do you know the "anarchists" weren't pro-war plants?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hal
>>>>>
>>>>Dude, sometimes you are just too much. Hey..maybe it was Trav that set
>>>>the
>>>>whole thing up as some part of his grand conspiracy to troll the
>>>>newsgroup.
>>>>It's just the sort of thing he would do, right? In all seriousness,
>>>>thanks
>>>>for this. You crack me up man.
>>>
>>> Sorry to break it to you dude, but this is a well known, tried and
>>> proven effective political strategy. Gives lots of easy propaganda
>>> points. Too easy to do. Actually there have already been a couple of
>>> incidents documented during the Bush campaign. Do a search if you
>>> want. I will post a couple of links when I can find them.
>>>
>>> Hal
>>>
>>
>>I'm pretty sure these are the guys in question.
>>
>>http://www.anarchistresistance.org/anarchistcall.shtml
>
> How do you know? Sigman never established that.
>
>>
I don't. But they fit the description, were supposed to be there, and do
behave in a similar manner. Like I said, when in doubt I prefer the
straightforward explanation.
>>When in doubt, I choose the straightforward explanation over the grand
>>conspiracy theories. I have to say that your ability to convince yourself
>>of anything, no matter how far-fetched or illogical, often in the face of
>>overwhelming evidence to the contrary, is quite charming. Don't ever
>>change.
>
> I only said it was possible, and has happened in the past. I was
> amused by Sigman's repeated characterization of "anarchists". I
> didn't think any such link was established. So don't get your pooper
> all puckered up on us now.
Nah...I'm just having a little fun with you, but your concern for my pooper
is duly noted.:)
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| | From: | hal at nospam.com | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:59:21 -0700 |
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| On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:42:46 -0800, "Bryce" wrote:
>>
>>>
>I don't. But they fit the description, were supposed to be there, and do
>behave in a similar manner. Like I said, when in doubt I prefer the
>straightforward explanation.
>
Yea, me too, but I also learned that things aren't always as they
seem.
>>>When in doubt, I choose the straightforward explanation over the grand
>>>conspiracy theories. I have to say that your ability to convince yourself
>>>of anything, no matter how far-fetched or illogical, often in the face of
>>>overwhelming evidence to the contrary, is quite charming. Don't ever
>>>change.
>>
>> I only said it was possible, and has happened in the past. I was
>> amused by Sigman's repeated characterization of "anarchists". I
>> didn't think any such link was established. So don't get your pooper
>> all puckered up on us now.
>
>Nah...I'm just having a little fun with you, but your concern for my pooper
>is duly noted.:)
Don't get your hopes up buddy.
Hal
>
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| | From: | Mike Sigman | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:35:26 -0700 |
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wrote in message
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> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:14:54 -0800, "Bryce" wrote:
>
>>>
>>> So how do you know the "anarchists" weren't pro-war plants?
>>>
>>> Hal
>>>
>>Dude, sometimes you are just too much. Hey..maybe it was Trav that set
>>the
>>whole thing up as some part of his grand conspiracy to troll the
>>newsgroup.
>>It's just the sort of thing he would do, right? In all seriousness,
>>thanks
>>for this. You crack me up man.
>
> Sorry to break it to you dude, but this is a well known, tried and
> proven effective political strategy. Gives lots of easy propaganda
> points. Too easy to do. Actually there have already been a couple of
> incidents documented during the Bush campaign. Do a search if you
> want. I will post a couple of links when I can find them.
Yes, and the links will be to Far Left websites, as usual. That should
prove it. Yeah.
Mike
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| | From: | Mike Sigman | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:24:24 -0700 |
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wrote in message
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> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:17:20 -0700, "Mike Sigman"
> wrote:
>
>>FREE SPEECH FOR ME, BUT NOT FOR THEE
>>
>>From the Washington Post's Inauguration Blog:
>>Hundreds of people gathered at both ends of Meridian Hill Park in
>>Northwest
>>Washington for a peace rally sponsored by the D.C Antiwar Network.
>>
>>But there were interlopers: Thirteen members of ProtestWarror, supporting
>>the Bush administration and its policies in Iraq. When the Bush supporters
>>arrived, about 20 black-clad, self-described anarchists
>
> How do you know they were "self-described anarchists"?
>
>>emerged from the
>>crowd, shouting profanity and epithets and demanding that they leave the
>>peace rally.
>
> Were they in their previously assigned "Free Speech Zone"?
>
>>When the Bush supporters refused to leave, the anarchists tore the sign
>>out
>>of the Bush supporters' hands and stomped on them.
>
> So what does an anti-war protestor have to with with an anarchist
> again?
>
>>When ProtestWarrior
>>leader Gil Kobrin objected, several male anarchists knocked him to the
>>ground, kicking him in the back and punching him. Other anarchists punched
>>and shoved Kobrin's 12 colleagues.
>
> What's with the thing about anarchist now?
>
>>After D.C. Antiwar Network members broke up the fight, the Bush supporters
>>heeded their order to leave the park. Kobrin then called D.C. police, who
>>are now guarding them at the entrance of the park as they hold up their
>>pro-war signs. "We're going to hang tight," Kobrin said. "We're expressing
>>our freedom of speech just as they are expressing theirs."
>
> OK.
>
> So how do you know the "anarchists" weren't pro-war plants?
Er..... I think we all know denial when we see it, dippo. You want to
pretend that violent protesters aren't almost always liberal Dem's?????????
Mike
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| | From: | hal at nospam.com | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:20:47 -0700 |
|
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| On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:24:24 -0700, "Mike Sigman"
wrote:
>
> wrote in message
>news:49c0v0lt3lqdq6nqmec162ej7cunb707gp@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:17:20 -0700, "Mike Sigman"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>FREE SPEECH FOR ME, BUT NOT FOR THEE
>>>
>>>From the Washington Post's Inauguration Blog:
>>>Hundreds of people gathered at both ends of Meridian Hill Park in
>>>Northwest
>>>Washington for a peace rally sponsored by the D.C Antiwar Network.
>>>
>>>But there were interlopers: Thirteen members of ProtestWarror, supporting
>>>the Bush administration and its policies in Iraq. When the Bush supporters
>>>arrived, about 20 black-clad, self-described anarchists
>>
>> How do you know they were "self-described anarchists"?
>>
>>>emerged from the
>>>crowd, shouting profanity and epithets and demanding that they leave the
>>>peace rally.
>>
>> Were they in their previously assigned "Free Speech Zone"?
>>
>>>When the Bush supporters refused to leave, the anarchists tore the sign
>>>out
>>>of the Bush supporters' hands and stomped on them.
>>
>> So what does an anti-war protestor have to with with an anarchist
>> again?
>>
>>>When ProtestWarrior
>>>leader Gil Kobrin objected, several male anarchists knocked him to the
>>>ground, kicking him in the back and punching him. Other anarchists punched
>>>and shoved Kobrin's 12 colleagues.
>>
>> What's with the thing about anarchist now?
>>
>>>After D.C. Antiwar Network members broke up the fight, the Bush supporters
>>>heeded their order to leave the park. Kobrin then called D.C. police, who
>>>are now guarding them at the entrance of the park as they hold up their
>>>pro-war signs. "We're going to hang tight," Kobrin said. "We're expressing
>>>our freedom of speech just as they are expressing theirs."
>>
>> OK.
>>
>> So how do you know the "anarchists" weren't pro-war plants?
>
>Er..... I think we all know denial when we see it, dippo. You want to
>pretend that violent protesters aren't almost always liberal Dem's?????????
>
Do you really thing the Republicans are morally above the ability to
have their own "anarchist" plants start violence and blame it on the
"peace activists"? Don't you see the complete incongruity of a
peace protest and violent attacks? Don't you see how easy a set up
would be in this case?
Hal
>
>Mike
>
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| | From: | hcannon18 | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:26:14 -0600 |
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|
>
> Do you really thing the Republicans are morally above the ability to
> have their own "anarchist" plants start violence and blame it on the
> "peace activists"? Don't you see the complete incongruity of a
> peace protest and violent attacks? Don't you see how easy a set up
> would be in this case?
>
How long have you been suffering form these delusions.
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| | From: | hal at nospam.com | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:50:42 -0700 |
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| On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:26:14 -0600, "hcannon18"
wrote:
>
>>
>> Do you really thing the Republicans are morally above the ability to
>> have their own "anarchist" plants start violence and blame it on the
>> "peace activists"? Don't you see the complete incongruity of a
>> peace protest and violent attacks? Don't you see how easy a set up
>> would be in this case?
>>
>How long have you been suffering form these delusions.
I know how your kind will lie, cheat, even kill to get what you want.
Hal
>
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| | From: | hcannon18 | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:54:53 -0600 |
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> >How long have you been suffering form these delusions.
>
> I know how your kind will lie, cheat, even kill to get what you want.
>
You have gotten real pathological Hal. Soon you will be netted..
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| | From: | Mike Sigman | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:45:45 -0700 |
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wrote in message
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> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:24:24 -0700, "Mike Sigman"
> wrote:
>
>>
>> wrote in message
>>news:49c0v0lt3lqdq6nqmec162ej7cunb707gp@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:17:20 -0700, "Mike Sigman"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>FREE SPEECH FOR ME, BUT NOT FOR THEE
>>>>
>>>>From the Washington Post's Inauguration Blog:
>>>>Hundreds of people gathered at both ends of Meridian Hill Park in
>>>>Northwest
>>>>Washington for a peace rally sponsored by the D.C Antiwar Network.
>>>>
>>>>But there were interlopers: Thirteen members of ProtestWarror,
>>>>supporting
>>>>the Bush administration and its policies in Iraq. When the Bush
>>>>supporters
>>>>arrived, about 20 black-clad, self-described anarchists
>>>
>>> How do you know they were "self-described anarchists"?
>>>
>>>>emerged from the
>>>>crowd, shouting profanity and epithets and demanding that they leave the
>>>>peace rally.
>>>
>>> Were they in their previously assigned "Free Speech Zone"?
>>>
>>>>When the Bush supporters refused to leave, the anarchists tore the sign
>>>>out
>>>>of the Bush supporters' hands and stomped on them.
>>>
>>> So what does an anti-war protestor have to with with an anarchist
>>> again?
>>>
>>>>When ProtestWarrior
>>>>leader Gil Kobrin objected, several male anarchists knocked him to the
>>>>ground, kicking him in the back and punching him. Other anarchists
>>>>punched
>>>>and shoved Kobrin's 12 colleagues.
>>>
>>> What's with the thing about anarchist now?
>>>
>>>>After D.C. Antiwar Network members broke up the fight, the Bush
>>>>supporters
>>>>heeded their order to leave the park. Kobrin then called D.C. police,
>>>>who
>>>>are now guarding them at the entrance of the park as they hold up their
>>>>pro-war signs. "We're going to hang tight," Kobrin said. "We're
>>>>expressing
>>>>our freedom of speech just as they are expressing theirs."
>>>
>>> OK.
>>>
>>> So how do you know the "anarchists" weren't pro-war plants?
>>
>>Er..... I think we all know denial when we see it, dippo. You want to
>>pretend that violent protesters aren't almost always liberal
>>Dem's?????????
>>
>
> Do you really thing the Republicans are morally above the ability to
> have their own "anarchist" plants start violence and blame it on the
> "peace activists"? Don't you see the complete incongruity of a
> peace protest and violent attacks? Don't you see how easy a set up
> would be in this case?
What are we playing.... how many absurd scenarios can we imagine?
Unfortunately, "Protest Warriors" is a well-known organization that has a
history of peaceful protests. Anarchists (read "Democrats") have a history
of violence. Try to just imagine the facts for once, Hal.
Mike
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| | From: | hal at nospam.com | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:50:11 -0700 |
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| On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:45:45 -0700, "Mike Sigman"
wrote:
>What are we playing.... how many absurd scenarios can we imagine?
>Unfortunately, "Protest Warriors" is a well-known organization that has a
>history of peaceful protests. Anarchists (read "Democrats") have a history
>of violence. Try to just imagine the facts for once, Hal.
So where did you get "anarchists" from? How did they become "self
described anarchists"? From a quote from them? Now how how are you
equation that with Democrats, other than you will grasp any straws in
order to denigrate someone that is only trying to get your kind to
accept the truth about yourself.
Hal
>Mike
>
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| | From: | Mike Sigman | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:03:23 -0700 |
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wrote in message
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> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:45:45 -0700, "Mike Sigman"
> wrote:
>
>
>>What are we playing.... how many absurd scenarios can we imagine?
>>Unfortunately, "Protest Warriors" is a well-known organization that has a
>>history of peaceful protests. Anarchists (read "Democrats") have a
>>history
>>of violence. Try to just imagine the facts for once, Hal.
>
> So where did you get "anarchists" from? How did they become "self
> described anarchists"? From a quote from them? Now how how are you
> equation that with Democrats, other than you will grasp any straws in
> order to denigrate someone that is only trying to get your kind to
> accept the truth about yourself.
Er.... most of those "anarchists" wear t-shirts proudly proclaiming who they
are, Hal. You keep trying to dodge the issue... some asshole liberal Dem's
are bad people. Most of them are. You are.
Mike
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| | From: | Matthew Weigel | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:07:53 -0600 |
|
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| hal@nospam.com wrote:
> Do you really thing the Republicans are morally above the ability to
> have their own "anarchist" plants start violence and blame it on the
> "peace activists"?
In a word?
"Yes."
There are two similar cases I've seen, both by anti-Bush groups, neither
going as far as you're suggesting; the "rich people for war in Iraq"
thing you've probably seen (which in no way obfuscated the matter of
their disagreement) and a group of Bush protestors who tried to get into
a conservative rally by wearing conservative suits (so that they could
then protest).
They want their voices to be heard, and anonymous efforts like this
don't make sense.
> Don't you see the complete incongruity of a
> peace protest and violent attacks?
Nope. There are a lot of people who oppose *this* war without opposing
war. There are plenty of people who oppose war but not all violence
(anarchists being potentially one such group, actually). These are all
people who could, concievably, be at an anti-war rally and still
willfully and without hypocrisy engage in violent behavior.
Besides, who would go bother with trying to make anarchists look worse?
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| | From: | hcannon18 | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:50:42 -0600 |
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<> So how do you know the "anarchists" weren't pro-war plants?
>
Shhhhhhhhhhhhh Hal. I heard it was a world Zionist CIA FBI plot just like
9-11..
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| | From: | hcannon18 | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:47:36 -0600 |
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First amendment advocates and non violent pacifist all no doubt.
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| | From: | lklawson at my-deja.com | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | 20 Jan 2005 14:00:09 -0800 |
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|
Matthew Weigel wrote:
> lklawson@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > You're blaming an anti-violence's group's hypocracy on *BUSH*?!?!
>
> You mean anti-war, right?
'Scuse me.
"anti-war" and "peace rally"
Not sure how that changes the hypocracy bit or why bush should be
blamed for thier actions.
Reminds me of the scene in "Forest Gump" where the "Jenny's" boyfriend
beats her up and then blames his actions on how mad "that lying bastard
Nixon" makes him.
The point wasn't lost on the countless millions movie audience, why is
it lost now?
Peace favor your sword (IH)
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| | From: | Mark Goldberg | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:18:14 -0500 |
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| lklawson@my-deja.com wrote:
> Reminds me of the scene in "Forest Gump" where the "Jenny's" boyfriend
> beats her up and then blames his actions on how mad "that lying bastard
> Nixon" makes him.
>
> The point wasn't lost on the countless millions movie audience, why is
> it lost now?
an excellent point. Makes you wonder, when all those sober retorts came
out about the innumerable inaccuracies, outright lies, and utter
distortions without M Moore's jack ass fartherupyerass 9/11 film, there
was only an embarrassed murmuring rather than examination of propaganda
films and the subjects who their aimed at.
So that aside, here's a nice article on the Left's crowd of America
haters, capitalism haters, etc. etc. etc....
Mark
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A Capitol Hatefest
By Ben Johnson
FrontPageMagazine.com | January 20, 2005
Although President George W. Bush received more votes than any other
presidential candidate in history, not everyone will be celebrating his
second inauguration in the nation’s capital today. Pro-terrorist
socialists and violent extremists pledge “direct action” – including
initiating physical confrontations with police officers – that could
divert critical attention from a terrorist attack.
Among those who will take part in today’s protests is a group known as
Anarchist Resistance, but is more commonly called “the Black Bloc” for
the black ski masks its members wear destroying property. Its history of
riotous incitement is well-known. On the first day of Operation Iraqi
Freedom, Black Bloc members demonstrated in San Francisco, smashing
police car windows and windows in the Federal building, before opening a
fire hydrant. Upon arrest, police learned the anarchists were armed with
knives, hammers, and a taser gun. The Bloc’s “Call to Action” for this
inaugural promises:
a massive resistance to the latest representation of 200+ years of
murder, slavery, greed and genocide that has been the American way from
George Washington to George W. Bush. There's nothing left to salvage in
this empire that is the U.S. government. It's time to bring it down.
This year, the Black Bloc warns, “A space will be made for people to
exercise their 1st Amendment rights whether the police allow it or not.
We will not submit to illegal arrests, unlawful searches, or
checkpoints.” Then the group begs for violence:
[I]t's time to put forward an alternate vision of protest; one of
resistance to, not cooperation with, the authorities…Four years ago
anarchists marched on the Inauguration [sic.], hundreds strong. The
police set up check points forcing thousands to adhere to bag and body
searches, in response – we smashed a secret service check point, opening
up the parade route for all. While some waved the American flag, we
burned it. While some booed, we pelted the motorcade with trash….
The event to which they refer occurred in 2001, when “the Black Bloc,
using a cart pilfered from a construction site, flattened one of the
government's vaunted security checkpoints, allowing hundreds of
protesters to breeze through.” This year, a terrorist may breeze through
with them.
Such a deadly attack would be entirely justified in the eyes of today’s
protestors. “It is important from the first day of his second term of
office to show continuing resistance to the criminal war in Iraq,” Sara
Flounders, co-director of the International Action Center, told the
communist Workers World newspaper. The IAC defined exactly the kind of
“resistance” it prefers in its latest press release:
It is time for the antiwar movement to acknowledge the absolute and
unconditional right of the Iraqi people to resist the occupation of
their country without passing judgment on their methods of resistance.
Even the founding charter of the United Nations clearly affirms the
right of an occupied people to resist by force of arms. (Emphasis added.)
The nation can scarce take comfort knowing IAC’s front group,
International ANSWER, has secured bleacher seating for its members along
the inaugural parade route.
Nor is IAC alone in praising the enemy’s attacks. The International
Socialist Organization plans a separate “Empire and Resistance” seminar
this evening. A recent article in its newspaper Socialist Worker
entitled “Supporting Iraq’s Right to Resist Occupation” argues, “One
side aims to control Iraq to fulfill its grand plan to dominate the
Middle East and its oil. The other merely seeks the right for Iraqis to
determine their own future…Choosing sides should not be so difficult.”
The article concludes, “The antiwar movement must not lose sight of the
fact that its main enemy is at home – and any resistance to that enemy
deserves our unconditional support.”
However, the Left is not content to pay mere lip service to the enemy.
Radical “antiwar” group Code Pink has scheduled a full calendar of
events this week. Code Pink also delivered $600,000 of cash and goods to
“the other side” in terrorist-riddled Fallujah late last year, after
hearing that Americans bombed a former hospital taken over by jihadists.
Code Pink’s ubiquitous founder, Medea Benjamin, played a major role in
today’s protests and the week-long hatefest leading up to them.
Benjamin, who referred to Castro’s Cuba as “heaven,” will be joined by
longtime comrade and former Communist Party USA member Leslie Cagan, the
founder of United for Peace and Justice (UFPJ). Benjamin and Cagan
joined forces to establish the International Occupation Watch in
Baghdad, whose stated goal is to get U.S. soldiers to declare themselves
conscientious objectors, get sent home, and hasten the military defeat
of U.S. forces in Iraq.
The two will speak at the three-day long Progressive Democratic Summit
along with Tom Hayden, Dennis Kucinich, Jesse Jackson Jr., Jodie Evans,
Kim Gandy of NOW, James Zogby of the Arab American Institute, Green
Party presidential candidate David Cobb, Amy Goodman, Phyllis Bennis,
Mark Weisbrot of Center for Economic and Policy Research, and John Grant
of Veterans for Peace.
Tomorrow, the duo will warm up the “United We Stand” rally at Plymouth
Congregational Church for the headliner: former talk show host cum
leftist screecher Rosie O’Donnell. Representatives from Sept. 11
Families for Peaceful Tomorrows, and International ANSWER will also
attend. Plymouth’s minister, Graylan Hagler, is a UFPJ co-founder.
The DAWN of Leftist Hatred
UFPJ sponsored the 50-member D.C. Anti-War Network (DAWN), which is
coordinating all area protests. Many of DAWN’s far-Left national
sponsors echo Cagan and Benjamin’s anti-American, anti-military,
anti-capitalist agenda – to the point of engaging in sabotage of the war
effort. Chief among these is SNAFU, which “supports resistance in the
military” and tells soldiers they have a “duty to disobey” their orders.
SNAFU’s “Call to Resist” states:
The resistance of soldiers helped bring an end to the war in Vietnam. It
was soldiers, participating in the Winter Soldier Investigation, who
documented the war crimes committed against the people of Vietnam.
Soldiers in Vietnam helped stop the war by deserting, refusing to go
into combat, and committing other acts of resistance. By 1970, the Army
had 65,643 deserters, roughly the equivalent of four infantry divisions.
The war stopped, in part, because soldiers forced the war criminals in
Washington to stop.
Today’s soldiers can do the same.
Explicitly calling for mutiny and desertion is further than Jane Fonda
went in her support of the Viet Cong.
SNAFU holds up “resisters” as heroes and offers support to deserters
within the armed forces, including facilitating their travel to Canada.
SNAFU’s website links to International Action Center, Vietnam Veterans
Against the War, Refusers Soldarity Network, and the Peoples Video
Network (a communist group).
Other DAWN members state Americans are the real terrorists. National
sponsor Socialist Alternative avers, “We see the global capitalist
system as the root cause of terrorism, war, poverty, discrimination, and
environmental destruction.” Osama bin Laden: capitalist. The Alternative
also proclaims, “The Russian Revolution was the greatest step forward in
history.” (Emphasis in original.)
The Peace Resource Project represents the overtly conspiratorial
spectrum of DAWN’s membership. PRP sells bumper stickers bearing such
messages as, “9/11=Inside Job,” “9/11: What Really Happened?” “End U.S.
Imperialism,” and one that juxtaposes images of Bush and 9/11 on one
side vs. Hitler and the Reichstag fire on the other. (It also has a
section dedicated to “Vegetarian/Organic Farming.”)
Other DAWN sponsors include the Washington, D.C., affiliate of
Indymedia; a group of leftist librarians known as Radical Reference; and
the Yippies.
DAWN’s own protest rally will feature Benjamin, Cagan, Cobb, Zach Lown
of the International Socialist Organization, Michael Ratner of the
Center for Constitutional Rights, Iraqi activist Andy Shallal;
Palestinian activist Mark Lance, and many others. DAWN is also hosting a
“die-in” today, designed to block the intersection of 16th and H streets
NW. If successful, this will further drain inauguration security and
provide a welcome distraction for those with more sinister intentions.
Communists Against Bush
Other communist fronts protesting the inauguration today include the
star-studded “antiwar” group Not In Our Name, whose “spokesman” C. Clark
Kissinger heads the Revolutionary Communist Party, an ultra-violent
Maoist sect.
The National Lawyers Guild is in town to provide free legal advice to
Black Bloc their partisans, Congress once described the NLG as “the
legal bulwark of the Communist Party.”
“Democracy Now!” radio host Amy Goodman and “conscientious objectors”
will hold their own demonstration, as well.
Pittsburgh’s far-Left Thomas Merton Center is sending a bus to the
protest. (TMC received $20,000 directly from The Heinz Endowments,
headed by Teresa Heinz Kerry, in 2004. They have received Heinz,
tax-free “chartiable” money only indirectly before. TMC also protested
the Republican National Convention when Kerry’s husband was running as
the other party’s presidential nominee.)
Leftists Killers: An Appreciation
Other leftist campaigns are more benign (and more immature). One asks
leftists to attend the inaugural parade and turn their backs as
President Bush passes by. Others ask people not to spend a dime all day.
Some leftists will “March Against Neo-Cons,” targeting prominent
conservative (and, peculiarly, Jewish) think tanks. Rotund filmmaker
Michael Moore encourages teenagers to walk out of high school classes in
disgust – and possibly get suspended in the process.
The fun continues over the weekend. Nostalgic leftists can celebrate
left-wing terrorists of days gone by at two separate events on Saturday.
University of Vermont professor Ron Jacobs will read from his new book
The Way the Wind Blew: A History of the Weather Underground, a glowing
history of the leftist terrorists. Also Saturday, they can attend the
“Spirit of the Black Panther in U.S. History: A Call for Unity” with
Sister Shazza Nzingha of a modern-day Panther offshoot. (“Bring your
family, friends, neighbors!”)1 One wonders what effect extolling violent
extremists will have on the Black Bloc and their fellow travelers.
The authorities have prepared for such an eventuality. This year’s
inauguration features the tightest security of any in memory. Tom Ridge
has warned, “There is no specific threat directed toward the inaugural
or the inaugural activities. But the fact that…the decibel level is down
doesn't really mean that we would ever be less vigilant…This is the most
visible manifestation of our democracy.” The terrorists already have a
record of assaulting the Iraqi and Spanish electoral processes.
They hate the president for the country he represents and the freedom
he’s pledged to extend to the whole human family. And they have friends
on the American Left.
ENDNOTES:
1. These events are in addition to protest events that seem to have
little to do with the inauguration. For instance, the “Freedom from
Marriage” forum takes homoual activists to task for pursuing
marriage, because they believe marriage is corrupt. Its organizers ask,
“What kinds of legitimacy is granted to same- unions through the
State or Religion – two institutions that have historically murdered,
ignored, and oppressed the Queer-identified?” Others have suggested
protesting by giving money to the little-known National Network of
Abortion Funds. Some will assemble to support electing Howard Dean DNC
chair.
|
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| | From: | ghoul | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:39:56 -0500 |
|
|
| Mark Goldberg wrote:
> lklawson@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>> Reminds me of the scene in "Forest Gump" where the "Jenny's" boyfriend
>> beats her up and then blames his actions on how mad "that lying bastard
>> Nixon" makes him.
>>
>> The point wasn't lost on the countless millions movie audience, why is
>> it lost now?
>
> an excellent point. Makes you wonder, when all those sober retorts came
> out about the innumerable inaccuracies, outright lies, and utter
> distortions without M Moore's jack ass fartherupyerass 9/11 film, there
> was only an embarrassed murmuring rather than examination of propaganda
> films and the subjects who their aimed at.
>
> So that aside, here's a nice article on the Left's crowd of America
> haters, capitalism haters, etc. etc. etc....
>
>
> Mark
> -----------
>
> A Capitol Hatefest
> By Ben Johnson
> FrontPageMagazine.com | January 20, 2005
>
> Although President George W. Bush received more votes than any other
> presidential candidate in history, not everyone will be celebrating his
> second inauguration in the nation’s capital today. Pro-terrorist
> socialists and violent extremists pledge “direct action” – including
> initiating physical confrontations with police officers – that could
> divert critical attention from a terrorist attack.
>
> Among those who will take part in today’s protests is a group known as
> Anarchist Resistance, but is more commonly called “the Black Bloc” for
> the black ski masks its members wear destroying property. Its history of
> riotous incitement is well-known. On the first day of Operation Iraqi
> Freedom, Black Bloc members demonstrated in San Francisco, smashing
> police car windows and windows in the Federal building, before opening a
> fire hydrant. Upon arrest, police learned the anarchists were armed with
> knives, hammers, and a taser gun. The Bloc’s “Call to Action” for this
> inaugural promises:
>
> a massive resistance to the latest representation of 200+ years of
> murder, slavery, greed and genocide that has been the American way from
> George Washington to George W. Bush. There's nothing left to salvage in
> this empire that is the U.S. government. It's time to bring it down.
>
> This year, the Black Bloc warns, “A space will be made for people to
> exercise their 1st Amendment rights whether the police allow it or not.
> We will not submit to illegal arrests, unlawful searches, or
> checkpoints.” Then the group begs for violence:
>
> [I]t's time to put forward an alternate vision of protest; one of
> resistance to, not cooperation with, the authorities…Four years ago
> anarchists marched on the Inauguration [sic.], hundreds strong. The
> police set up check points forcing thousands to adhere to bag and body
> searches, in response – we smashed a secret service check point, opening
> up the parade route for all. While some waved the American flag, we
> burned it. While some booed, we pelted the motorcade with trash….
>
> The event to which they refer occurred in 2001, when “the Black Bloc,
> using a cart pilfered from a construction site, flattened one of the
> government's vaunted security checkpoints, allowing hundreds of
> protesters to breeze through.” This year, a terrorist may breeze through
> with them.
>
> Such a deadly attack would be entirely justified in the eyes of today’s
> protestors. “It is important from the first day of his second term of
> office to show continuing resistance to the criminal war in Iraq,” Sara
> Flounders, co-director of the International Action Center, told the
> communist Workers World newspaper. The IAC defined exactly the kind of
> “resistance” it prefers in its latest press release:
>
> It is time for the antiwar movement to acknowledge the absolute and
> unconditional right of the Iraqi people to resist the occupation of
> their country without passing judgment on their methods of resistance.
> Even the founding charter of the United Nations clearly affirms the
> right of an occupied people to resist by force of arms. (Emphasis added.)
>
> The nation can scarce take comfort knowing IAC’s front group,
> International ANSWER, has secured bleacher seating for its members along
> the inaugural parade route.
> Nor is IAC alone in praising the enemy’s attacks. The International
> Socialist Organization plans a separate “Empire and Resistance” seminar
> this evening. A recent article in its newspaper Socialist Worker
> entitled “Supporting Iraq’s Right to Resist Occupation” argues, “One
> side aims to control Iraq to fulfill its grand plan to dominate the
> Middle East and its oil. The other merely seeks the right for Iraqis to
> determine their own future…Choosing sides should not be so difficult.”
> The article concludes, “The antiwar movement must not lose sight of the
> fact that its main enemy is at home – and any resistance to that enemy
> deserves our unconditional support.”
>
> However, the Left is not content to pay mere lip service to the enemy.
> Radical “antiwar” group Code Pink has scheduled a full calendar of
> events this week. Code Pink also delivered $600,000 of cash and goods to
> “the other side” in terrorist-riddled Fallujah late last year, after
> hearing that Americans bombed a former hospital taken over by jihadists.
>
> Code Pink’s ubiquitous founder, Medea Benjamin, played a major role in
> today’s protests and the week-long hatefest leading up to them.
> Benjamin, who referred to Castro’s Cuba as “heaven,” will be joined by
> longtime comrade and former Communist Party USA member Leslie Cagan, the
> founder of United for Peace and Justice (UFPJ). Benjamin and Cagan
> joined forces to establish the International Occupation Watch in
> Baghdad, whose stated goal is to get U.S. soldiers to declare themselves
> conscientious objectors, get sent home, and hasten the military defeat
> of U.S. forces in Iraq.
>
> The two will speak at the three-day long Progressive Democratic Summit
> along with Tom Hayden, Dennis Kucinich, Jesse Jackson Jr., Jodie Evans,
> Kim Gandy of NOW, James Zogby of the Arab American Institute, Green
> Party presidential candidate David Cobb, Amy Goodman, Phyllis Bennis,
> Mark Weisbrot of Center for Economic and Policy Research, and John Grant
> of Veterans for Peace.
>
> Tomorrow, the duo will warm up the “United We Stand” rally at Plymouth
> Congregational Church for the headliner: former talk show host cum
> leftist screecher Rosie O’Donnell. Representatives from Sept. 11
> Families for Peaceful Tomorrows, and International ANSWER will also
> attend. Plymouth’s minister, Graylan Hagler, is a UFPJ co-founder.
>
> The DAWN of Leftist Hatred
>
> UFPJ sponsored the 50-member D.C. Anti-War Network (DAWN), which is
> coordinating all area protests. Many of DAWN’s far-Left national
> sponsors echo Cagan and Benjamin’s anti-American, anti-military,
> anti-capitalist agenda – to the point of engaging in sabotage of the war
> effort. Chief among these is SNAFU, which “supports resistance in the
> military” and tells soldiers they have a “duty to disobey” their orders.
> SNAFU’s “Call to Resist” states:
>
> The resistance of soldiers helped bring an end to the war in Vietnam. It
> was soldiers, participating in the Winter Soldier Investigation, who
> documented the war crimes committed against the people of Vietnam.
> Soldiers in Vietnam helped stop the war by deserting, refusing to go
> into combat, and committing other acts of resistance. By 1970, the Army
> had 65,643 deserters, roughly the equivalent of four infantry divisions.
> The war stopped, in part, because soldiers forced the war criminals in
> Washington to stop.
>
> Today’s soldiers can do the same.
>
> Explicitly calling for mutiny and desertion is further than Jane Fonda
> went in her support of the Viet Cong.
>
> SNAFU holds up “resisters” as heroes and offers support to deserters
> within the armed forces, including facilitating their travel to Canada.
> SNAFU’s website links to International Action Center, Vietnam Veterans
> Against the War, Refusers Soldarity Network, and the Peoples Video
> Network (a communist group).
>
> Other DAWN members state Americans are the real terrorists. National
> sponsor Socialist Alternative avers, “We see the global capitalist
> system as the root cause of terrorism, war, poverty, discrimination, and
> environmental destruction.” Osama bin Laden: capitalist. The Alternative
> also proclaims, “The Russian Revolution was the greatest step forward in
> history.” (Emphasis in original.)
>
> The Peace Resource Project represents the overtly conspiratorial
> spectrum of DAWN’s membership. PRP sells bumper stickers bearing such
> messages as, “9/11=Inside Job,” “9/11: What Really Happened?” “End U.S.
> Imperialism,” and one that juxtaposes images of Bush and 9/11 on one
> side vs. Hitler and the Reichstag fire on the other. (It also has a
> section dedicated to “Vegetarian/Organic Farming.”)
>
> Other DAWN sponsors include the Washington, D.C., affiliate of
> Indymedia; a group of leftist librarians known as Radical Reference; and
> the Yippies.
>
> DAWN’s own protest rally will feature Benjamin, Cagan, Cobb, Zach Lown
> of the International Socialist Organization, Michael Ratner of the
> Center for Constitutional Rights, Iraqi activist Andy Shallal;
> Palestinian activist Mark Lance, and many others. DAWN is also hosting a
> “die-in” today, designed to block the intersection of 16th and H streets
> NW. If successful, this will further drain inauguration security and
> provide a welcome distraction for those with more sinister intentions.
>
>
> Communists Against Bush
>
> Other communist fronts protesting the inauguration today include the
> star-studded “antiwar” group Not In Our Name, whose “spokesman” C. Clark
> Kissinger heads the Revolutionary Communist Party, an ultra-violent
> Maoist sect.
>
>
> The National Lawyers Guild is in town to provide free legal advice to
> Black Bloc their partisans, Congress once described the NLG as “the
> legal bulwark of the Communist Party.”
>
> “Democracy Now!” radio host Amy Goodman and “conscientious objectors”
> will hold their own demonstration, as well.
>
> Pittsburgh’s far-Left Thomas Merton Center is sending a bus to the
> protest. (TMC received $20,000 directly from The Heinz Endowments,
> headed by Teresa Heinz Kerry, in 2004. They have received Heinz,
> tax-free “chartiable” money only indirectly before. TMC also protested
> the Republican National Convention when Kerry’s husband was running as
> the other party’s presidential nominee.)
>
> Leftists Killers: An Appreciation
>
> Other leftist campaigns are more benign (and more immature). One asks
> leftists to attend the inaugural parade and turn their backs as
> President Bush passes by. Others ask people not to spend a dime all day.
> Some leftists will “March Against Neo-Cons,” targeting prominent
> conservative (and, peculiarly, Jewish) think tanks. Rotund filmmaker
> Michael Moore encourages teenagers to walk out of high school classes in
> disgust – and possibly get suspended in the process.
>
> The fun continues over the weekend. Nostalgic leftists can celebrate
> left-wing terrorists of days gone by at two separate events on Saturday.
> University of Vermont professor Ron Jacobs will read from his new book
> The Way the Wind Blew: A History of the Weather Underground, a glowing
> history of the leftist terrorists. Also Saturday, they can attend the
> “Spirit of the Black Panther in U.S. History: A Call for Unity” with
> Sister Shazza Nzingha of a modern-day Panther offshoot. (“Bring your
> family, friends, neighbors!”)1 One wonders what effect extolling violent
> extremists will have on the Black Bloc and their fellow travelers.
>
> The authorities have prepared for such an eventuality. This year’s
> inauguration features the tightest security of any in memory. Tom Ridge
> has warned, “There is no specific threat directed toward the inaugural
> or the inaugural activities. But the fact that…the decibel level is down
> doesn't really mean that we would ever be less vigilant…This is the most
> visible manifestation of our democracy.” The terrorists already have a
> record of assaulting the Iraqi and Spanish electoral processes.
>
> They hate the president for the country he represents and the freedom
> he’s pledged to extend to the whole human family. And they have friends
> on the American Left.
>
> ENDNOTES:
>
>
>
> 1. These events are in addition to protest events that seem to have
> little to do with the inauguration. For instance, the “Freedom from
> Marriage” forum takes homoual activists to task for pursuing
> marriage, because they believe marriage is corrupt. Its organizers ask,
> “What kinds of legitimacy is granted to same- unions through the
> State or Religion – two institutions that have historically murdered,
> ignored, and oppressed the Queer-identified?” Others have suggested
> protesting by giving money to the little-known National Network of
> Abortion Funds. Some will assemble to support electing Howard Dean DNC
> chair.
Did you happen to read the article on eyespy's website about the band of
merry Israeli agents busted by the FBI for spying inside the US without
permission?
Care to respond Marky?
|
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| | From: | Mark Goldberg | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:23:11 -0500 |
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| ghoul wrote:
>
> Did you happen to read the article on eyespy's website about the band of
> merry Israeli agents busted by the FBI for spying inside the US without
> permission?
>
> Care to respond Marky?
Land's sake... do tell.
I tell you, we must be under attack from the people who give us 90% of
our mideast intel.
Mark
|
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| | From: | ghoul | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:44:16 -0500 |
|
|
| Mark Goldberg wrote:
> ghoul wrote:
>
>>
>> Did you happen to read the article on eyespy's website about the band of
>> merry Israeli agents busted by the FBI for spying inside the US without
>> permission?
>>
>> Care to respond Marky?
>
> Land's sake... do tell.
> I tell you, we must be under attack from the people who give us 90% of
> our mideast intel.
>
> Mark
http://www.eyespymag.com/spyrumorspdf.htm
|
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| | From: | Mark Goldberg | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:11:43 -0500 |
|
|
| ghoul wrote:
> Mark Goldberg wrote:
>
>
>>ghoul wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Did you happen to read the article on eyespy's website about the band of
>>>merry Israeli agents busted by the FBI for spying inside the US without
>>>permission?
>>>
>>>Care to respond Marky?
>>
>>Land's sake... do tell.
>>I tell you, we must be under attack from the people who give us 90% of
>>our mideast intel.
>>
>>Mark
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.eyespymag.com/spyrumorspdf.htm
> The resulting tensions between Washington and Jerusalem, sources told the Forward,
arose not because of the operations’ targets but because Israel
reportedly violated
a secret gentlemen’s agreement between the two countries under which
espionage on each other’s soil is to be coordinated in advance.
> Most experts and former officials interviewed for this article said that such
so-called unilateral or uncoordinated Israeli monitoring of radical
Muslims in America
would not be surprising.
> In fact, they said, Israeli intelligence played a key role in helping
the Bush administration to crack down on Islamic charities
suspected of funnelling money to terrorist groups,
most notably the Richardson, Texas-based Holy Land Foundation last
December.
> “I have no doubt Israel has an interest in spying on those groups,
” said Peter Unsinger, an intelligence expert who teaches justice
administration
at San Jose University. “The Israelis give us good stuff, like on the
Hamas charities.”
>
This above, is from your eyespymag.com article.
I'll tell you something- ghoul.
You are a ghoul.
A creepy ghoul.
The above- about the Israeli's checking out the homicidists and giving
the US information- good information- while they check out the groups
who would kill and blow up little kids in their country, is way, way
less than we do in their country. As everyone knows.
So ghoul... back to your hole, no name.
Mark 'born in the usa' Goldberg
|
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| | From: | ghoul | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:33:03 -0500 |
|
|
| Mark Goldberg wrote:
> ghoul wrote:
>> Mark Goldberg wrote:
>>
>>
>>>ghoul wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Did you happen to read the article on eyespy's website about the band of
>>>>merry Israeli agents busted by the FBI for spying inside the US without
>>>>permission?
>>>>
>>>>Care to respond Marky?
>>>
>>>Land's sake... do tell.
>>>I tell you, we must be under attack from the people who give us 90% of
>>>our mideast intel.
>>>
>>>Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.eyespymag.com/spyrumorspdf.htm
>
>> The resulting tensions between Washington and Jerusalem, sources told the
>> Forward,
> arose not because of the operations’ targets but because Israel
> reportedly violated
> a secret gentlemen’s agreement between the two countries under which
> espionage on each other’s soil is to be coordinated in advance.
>> Most experts and former officials interviewed for this article said that
>> such
> so-called unilateral or uncoordinated Israeli monitoring of radical
> Muslims in America
> would not be surprising.
>> In fact, they said, Israeli intelligence played a key role in helping
> the Bush administration to crack down on Islamic charities
> suspected of funnelling money to terrorist groups,
> most notably the Richardson, Texas-based Holy Land Foundation last
> December.
>> “I have no doubt Israel has an interest in spying on those groups,
> ” said Peter Unsinger, an intelligence expert who teaches justice
> administration
> at San Jose University. “The Israelis give us good stuff, like on the
> Hamas charities.”
>>
>
>
> This above, is from your eyespymag.com article.
> I'll tell you something- ghoul.
>
> You are a ghoul.
> A creepy ghoul.
>
> The above- about the Israeli's checking out the homicidists and giving
> the US information- good information- while they check out the groups
> who would kill and blow up little kids in their country, is way, way
> less than we do in their country. As everyone knows.
>
> So ghoul... back to your hole, no name.
>
> Mark 'born in the usa' Goldberg
yhbt
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| | From: | Mark Goldberg | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:14:09 -0500 |
|
|
| ghoul wrote:
>>ghoul wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Did you happen to read the article on eyespy's website about the band of
>>>merry Israeli agents busted by the FBI for spying inside the US without
>>>permission?
>>>
>>>Care to respond Marky?
Hey arsewipe... read the article, and tell us how that is anything like
the america haters, the capitalism haters, the marxist leninists who
wish for the destruction of America.
Mark
|
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| | From: | ghoul | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:32:18 -0500 |
|
|
| Mark Goldberg wrote:
> ghoul wrote:
>
>
>>>ghoul wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Did you happen to read the article on eyespy's website about the band of
>>>>merry Israeli agents busted by the FBI for spying inside the US without
>>>>permission?
>>>>
>>>>Care to respond Marky?
>
> Hey arsewipe... read the article, and tell us how that is anything like
> the america haters, the capitalism haters, the marxist leninists who
> wish for the destruction of America.
>
> Mark
It was an observation on your obvious conflict of interest, your love
Isreal. Which country are you loyal to, hypocrite?
|
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| | From: | Mark Goldberg | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:26:22 -0500 |
|
|
| ghoul wrote:
> Mark Goldberg wrote:
>
>
> It was an observation on your obvious conflict of interest, your love
> Isreal. Which country are you loyal to, hypocrite?
Hey arsewipe, read the article, you
dumb as a rock lily livered hate freak.
You are a ghost, you ghoul, you live on your own conflict... watch
yourself in the mirror and weep because you will never know how to
respect nor love the Republic for which it stands.
Nor anywhere else, no matter why, nor for what deeply held affections
you've long erased, withered, eviscerated and emasculated from your own
capacity.
You can't even read... your own articles dumbass.
Mark
|
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| | From: | Mark Goldberg | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:16:33 -0500 |
|
|
| ghoul wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Did you happen to read the article on eyespy's website about the band of
>>>>>merry Israeli agents busted by the FBI for spying inside the US without
>>>>>permission?
>>>>>
>>>>>Care to respond Marky?
>>
>>Hey arsewipe... read the article, and tell us how that is anything like
>>the america haters, the capitalism haters, the marxist leninists who
>>wish for the destruction of America.
>>
>>Mark
>
>
> It was an observation on your obvious conflict of interest, your love
> Isreal. Which country are you loyal to, hypocrite?
Hey dipshit... it was an oily unctuous dripping from the water pipe
inside your head. You need a plumber.
It was an observation on your inab inability to separate fact from
fancy... or in your case
infancy.
It was brainless; it was libby
Mark
|
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| | From: | Mark Goldberg | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 00:53:46 -0500 |
|
|
| ghoul wrote:
> Mark Goldberg wrote:
>
>
>>ghoul wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Did you happen to read the article on eyespy's website about the band of
>>>merry Israeli agents busted by the FBI for spying inside the US without
>>>permission?
>>>
>>>Care to respond Marky?
>>
>>Land's sake... do tell.
>>I tell you, we must be under attack from the people who give us 90% of
>>our mideast intel.
>>
>>Mark
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.eyespymag.com/spyrumorspdf.htm
ooooh
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| | From: | Matthew Weigel | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:06:53 -0600 |
|
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| lklawson@my-deja.com wrote:
> Matthew Weigel wrote:
>
>>lklawson@my-deja.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>>You're blaming an anti-violence's group's hypocracy on *BUSH*?!?!
>>
>>You mean anti-war, right?
>
>
> 'Scuse me.
>
> "anti-war" and "peace rally"
>
> Not sure how that changes the hypocracy bit or why bush should be
> blamed for thier actions.
Bush shouldn't be blamed.
However, just take a gander around here - plenty of people oppose the
war without supporting pacifism.
|
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| | From: | lklawson at my-deja.com | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | 20 Jan 2005 14:37:28 -0800 |
|
|
|
Carl Brooks wrote:
> lklaw...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > You're blaming an anti-violence's group's hypocracy on *BUSH*?!?!
> >
>
>
> FYI the "black bloc" protesters are NOT necessarily non-violent; some
> of them are expressly violent. there is always a lot of strife over
> whether or not to let them attend large rallys, and they are deeply
> alienated and mistrusted by the larger 'anti movement.
>
> and note that it was the antiwar/peace protesters who broke up the
> scuffle.
Well, that's good to hear (sorta) but I still don't get why *BUSH*
would get blamed for the actions of these "black bloc" guys.
Peace favor your sword (IH)
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| | From: | calvinthecat at ocsnet.net | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | 21 Jan 2005 13:58:59 -0800 |
|
|
|
Mike Sigman wrote:
> >>When in doubt, I choose the straightforward explanation over the
grand
> >>conspiracy theories. I have to say that your ability to convince
yourself
> >>of anything, no matter how far-fetched or illogical, often in the
face of
> >>overwhelming evidence to the contrary, is quite charming. Don't
ever
> >>change.
> >
> > I only said it was possible, and has happened in the past. I was
> > amused by Sigman's repeated characterization of "anarchists". I
> > didn't think any such link was established.
> Hal.... you are such a dumb fuck. :
>
> Protesting the Protesters
> Small Band of Conservatives Comes to Town to Answer Anti-Bush Groups
>
> By Robert MacMillan
> washingtonpost.com Staff Writer
> Thursday, January 20, 2005; 5:59 PM
But you see we are back to the same problem because in Hal logic how do
we *know* the Washington Post is not an agent of the Republicans?
ROFL
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| | From: | Mike Sigman | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:39:19 -0700 |
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|
wrote in message
news:1106344739.086052.324140@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>
> Mike Sigman wrote:
>
>
>> >>When in doubt, I choose the straightforward explanation over the
> grand
>> >>conspiracy theories. I have to say that your ability to convince
> yourself
>> >>of anything, no matter how far-fetched or illogical, often in the
> face of
>> >>overwhelming evidence to the contrary, is quite charming. Don't
> ever
>> >>change.
>> >
>> > I only said it was possible, and has happened in the past. I was
>> > amused by Sigman's repeated characterization of "anarchists". I
>> > didn't think any such link was established.
>
>
>
>> Hal.... you are such a dumb fuck. :
>>
>> Protesting the Protesters
>> Small Band of Conservatives Comes to Town to Answer Anti-Bush Groups
>>
>> By Robert MacMillan
>> washingtonpost.com Staff Writer
>> Thursday, January 20, 2005; 5:59 PM
>
>
>
> But you see we are back to the same problem because in Hal logic how do
> we *know* the Washington Post is not an agent of the Republicans?
Y'know... you're right. Hal will do everything he can to deny that he's a
member of the assholes.
Mike
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| | From: | calvinthecat at ocsnet.net | | Subject: | Re: Hal's Buddies at the Inauguration | | Date: | 20 Jan 2005 16:45:49 -0800 |
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h...@nospam.com wrote:
> OK.
>
> So how do you |
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