In his quest for authentic voices and historical context, McNeil begins
his "oral history" in 1950, with the original sin of the "girlie
flicks," amateurish one-reelers that promised more than they delivered.
The first of these, you might be surprised to learn, was a film (Mom
and Dad by Kroger Babbs) that showed a woman giving birth to a baby.
Other so-called "nudie cuties" featured scenes shot at nudist camps,
where naturists cavorted on pogo sticks and volleyball courts; the
scenes were carefully monitored so as not to show "pickles and beaver"
(quaint slang for male and female genitalia).
http://fairfieldweekly.com/gbase/News/content?oid=oid:96019

From:	Super_Nudist at fastermail.com
Subject:	Re: Your "Subject" is NOT even remotely accurate.
Date:	18 Jan 2005 11:42:06 -0800

Yeah, Johnz and Max are the "anti-Nudists".

Super Nudist

From:	annon-imus at www.com
Subject:	Re: Your "Subject" is NOT even remotely accurate.
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 05:56:36 GMT

Super_Nudist@fastermail.com wrote:
>
> Yeah, Johnz and Max are the "anti-Nudists".
>
> Super Nudist

I would go that one further and say they are anti-humans.

From:	Mark
Subject:	Re: Your "Subject" is NOT even remotely accurate.
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:43:58 GMT

"Max Jefferson" wrote in message
news:1106064845.664573.260340@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Other so-called "nudie cuties" featured scenes shot at nudist camps,
> where naturists cavorted on pogo sticks and volleyball courts; the
> scenes were carefully monitored so as not to show "pickles and beaver"
> (quaint slang for male and female genitalia).

You are truly amazing in your attempts at deception Max.....Truly amazing.

The above "quote" is the ONLY reference to 'nudism' in the whole article,
and makes absolutely NO claim That "Nudism Has Always Played a Role in
Porn". In fact the paragraph states that "nothing was shown" that could even
be construed as "ual".

Get a life Max! I don't know what your purpose is--you've been asked
numerous times, and to date have made no comment as to your reason for being
here. Your interests appear to be prurient--nothing more and nothing less.
Your ability to distort by innuendo is exceeded only by your total lack of
experience and knowledge on the whole subject of nudism. Take your hand
lotion and crawl back under the covers.

Mark

> http://fairfieldweekly.com/gbase/News/content?oid=oid:96019
>

From:	Max Jefferson
Subject:	Re: Your "Subject" is NOT even remotely accurate.
Date:	18 Jan 2005 09:33:17 -0800

Mark wrote:
> "Max Jefferson" wrote in message
> news:1106064845.664573.260340@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Other so-called "nudie cuties" featured scenes shot at nudist
camps,
> > where naturists cavorted on pogo sticks and volleyball courts; the
> > scenes were carefully monitored so as not to show "pickles and
beaver"
> > (quaint slang for male and female genitalia).
>
> You are truly amazing in your attempts at deception Max.....Truly
amazing.
>
> The above "quote" is the ONLY reference to 'nudism' in the whole
article,
> and makes absolutely NO claim That "Nudism Has Always Played a Role
in
> Porn". In fact the paragraph states that "nothing was shown" that
could even
> be construed as "ual".
>
> Get a life Max! I don't know what your purpose is--you've been asked
> numerous times, and to date have made no comment as to your reason
for being
> here. Your interests appear to be prurient--nothing more and nothing
less.
> Your ability to distort by innuendo is exceeded only by your total
lack of
> experience and knowledge on the whole subject of nudism. Take your
hand
> lotion and crawl back under the covers.
>
> Mark
>
>
> > http://fairfieldweekly.com/gbase/News/content?oid=oid:96019
> >

This article says that in the 50s some films included videos of
people at nudist camps. Sounds like a clear connection to me.

Other so-called "nudie cuties" featured scenes shot at nudist camps,
where naturists cavorted on pogo sticks and volleyball courts; the
scenes were carefully monitored so as not to show "pickles and beaver"
(quaint slang for male and female genitalia).

From:	Richard C.
Subject:	Re: Your "Subject" is NOT even remotely accurate.
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:57:19 -0800

X-No-archive: yes

"Max Jefferson" wrote in message
news:1106069597.575427.36320@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> This article says that in the 50s some films included videos of
> people at nudist camps. Sounds like a clear connection to me.

=================================
Lots of films use young ladies in Catholic School girl uniforms.
Sounds like a clear connection to me.
==================================
>
> Other so-called "nudie cuties" featured scenes shot at nudist camps,
> where naturists cavorted on pogo sticks and volleyball courts; the
> scenes were carefully monitored so as not to show "pickles and beaver"
> (quaint slang for male and female genitalia).
>
==============================
So?

From:	Mark
Subject:	Re: Your "Subject" is NOT even remotely accurate.
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:14:47 GMT

"Max Jefferson" wrote in message
news:1106069597.575427.36320@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

>> > http://fairfieldweekly.com/gbase/News/content?oid=oid:96019
>> >
>
> This article says that in the 50s some films included videos of
> people at nudist camps. Sounds like a clear connection to me.

Are you dense?????? It does NOT associate " films" with the nudist
clips--I quote from the article:

"In his quest for authentic voices and HISTORICAL CONTEXT, McNeil begins his
"oral history" in 1950, with the original sin of the "girlie flicks,"
amateurish one-reelers that promised more than they delivered. The first of
these, you might be surprised to learn, was a film (Mom and Dad by Kroger
Babbs) that showed a woman giving birth to a baby." "Other so-called "nudie
cuties" featured scenes shot at nudist camps, where naturists cavorted on
pogo sticks and volleyball courts; the scenes were carefully monitored so as
not to show "pickles and beaver" (quaint slang for male and female
genitalia)."

HISTORICAL CONTEXT MAX, is not graphy! And a baby's birth is
graphic in what way Max???????????? Hell, they've had shows on child
birth on PBS, Discovery, etc., etc. HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PORNOGRAPHY.

Since when (and HOW), is nude volleyball graphy Max????????????? Show
me the "graphic occurences" in such a clip, particularly when genitals
are covered. (Pornography, by law, involves the depiction of the ual act
and/or genital stimulation--and even THAT can be dependent upon the purpose
of the film and the interpretation of its educational value accordingly.)

THERE IS NO CORRELATION MADE IN THE ARTICLE, BETWEEN THE EARLY NUDIST FILMS
AND PORNOGRAPHIC ACTS.....or the actual "history of graphy" described
in the article.

I'll ask, YET AGAIN, why are you posting in this newsgroup? What is your
purpose. Several have been asking you that for nearly 2 months. Why do you
evade the question? The ONLY stimulation from people playing nude volleyball
or jumping on pogo sticks is the stimulation people like you likely give
yourself with your hand. Is THAT your purpose for posting here?

You seek no information, you hit and run, and fit the description of a
troll.

The only GOOD thing about your being here is that rec.nude is blessed with
TWO Village Idiots instead of just one. Johnz needs the company--it's lonely
being stupid, deceptive and a liar.....

From:	Super_Nudist at fastermail.com
Subject:	Re: Your "Subject" is NOT even remotely accurate.
Date:	18 Jan 2005 11:35:53 -0800

Mark wrote:
> "Max Jefferson" wrote in message
> news:1106064845.664573.260340@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Other so-called "nudie cuties" featured scenes shot at nudist
camps,
> > where naturists cavorted on pogo sticks and volleyball courts; the
> > scenes were carefully monitored so as not to show "pickles and
beaver"
> > (quaint slang for male and female genitalia).
>
> You are truly amazing in your attempts at deception Max.....Truly
amazing.
>
> The above "quote" is the ONLY reference to 'nudism' in the whole
article,
> and makes absolutely NO claim That "Nudism Has Always Played a Role
in
> Porn". In fact the paragraph states that "nothing was shown" that
could even
> be construed as "ual".
>
> Get a life Max! I don't know what your purpose is--you've been asked
> numerous times, and to date have made no comment as to your reason
for being
> here. Your interests appear to be prurient--nothing more and nothing
less.
> Your ability to distort by innuendo is exceeded only by your total
lack of
> experience and knowledge on the whole subject of nudism. Take your
hand
> lotion and crawl back under the covers.
>
> Mark
>
>
> > http://fairfieldweekly.com/gbase/News/content?oid=oid:96019
> >

Hey Mark,
Do you think maybe Max and Jonzeee are family members?

Super Nudist

From:	Richard C.
Subject:	Re: Nudism Has Always Played a Role in Porn
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:55:56 -0800

X-No-archive: yes

"Max Jefferson" wrote in message
news:1106064845.664573.260340@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> In his quest for authentic voices and historical context, McNeil begins
> his "oral history" in 1950, with the original sin of the "girlie
> flicks," amateurish one-reelers that promised more than they delivered.
> The first of these, you might be surprised to learn, was a film (Mom
> and Dad by Kroger Babbs) that showed a woman giving birth to a baby.
> Other so-called "nudie cuties" featured scenes shot at nudist camps,
> where naturists cavorted on pogo sticks and volleyball courts; the
> scenes were carefully monitored so as not to show "pickles and beaver"
> (quaint slang for male and female genitalia).
> http://fairfieldweekly.com/gbase/News/content?oid=oid:96019
>
==================================
Your subject and your post are non-sequitor!

From:	Molly Wilson
Subject:	Re: Nudism Has Always Played a Role in Porn
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:45:22 -0600

Max.....where do these crazy schools find these cranks like this one
that appears to be a full blown pervert......his touting all the money
they make and not making reference to the hard mean streets and the fact
that these businesses are operated for the pleasure of adults
only.....and that you must be 18 to do this work......allows me to
wonder if this jerk could not have learned a lesson ...if the
administrator had called the police and offered him a lecture on how
close he is to CONTRIBUTING TO THE DELENQUENCY OF MINOR CHILDREN....he
he......i have owned and operated these clubs..and it is certainly not a
topic of conversation to introduce to children.........it attracts the
excons...dopers...drug dealers...pimps....whores ....all the other
social misfits of society.....and there is some straight well mannered
gentlemen types that frequent the places... when.family nudism
established itself as a legal behavior..then..these businesses enjoyed a
legal status because of the family nudism......family nudism is the
godfather of it all.....hustler too....regards...jonZeee

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