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 | | From: | Richard C. | | Subject: | Re: Bill Martin is NOT a thief | | Date: | Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:19:16 -0800 |
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"Dario Western" wrote in
message news:e8WGd.176$8V2.9901@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
> Hi all,
>
> This just came by me yesterday from a fellow on the Christian-nudist
> group,
> if you still insist on sticking your pins in him.
>
> Bill Martin has not posted most of the photos in the Naturist
> Christians forum.
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It is his sight. HE is responsible.
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>They came from several people, administrators and
> regular members. If you insist on blaming Naturist Christians Forum,
> please note that there are several forum administrators in several
> countries, not just Bill. He spends much of his time working on
> Natura community these days.
>
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Then he needs to ger RESPONSIBLE people to oversee the web site.
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> Bill wrote recently that Naturist Christians has removed some photos
> at the request of the owners.
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But he argues and it takes quite an effort to have them removed.
If you get to persistant, he blocks your e-mail address.
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>He also explained that it is
> not "stealing" to post photos from free Web sites.
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He is 100% WRONG on this "explanation".
My web pictures were on my "free" web site and the page was CLEARLY marked
that they were copyrighted by me.
Free has nothing to do with it.
Stealing them for your own use is a violation of US copyright law.
At least two other famous photographers are now planning legal action
against Bill.
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>Still, it has
> been their policy to take down any photos that someone claims
> ownership of, at the owner's request.
>
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As I said...........only after a large hassle.
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> With all the thousands of photos in their gallery, it seems absurd
> that they would need to steal photos to add to their already
> extensive gallery."
>
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That is because almost ALL of them are lifted from other places.
virtually NONE of the pictures are legitimate submissions by the actual
owner of the picture.
he also uses pages from numerous "" sites.
That was my second BIG objection to his use of my pictures....
I do not want them associated with cocazilla.com [sp?] pictures.
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| | From: | Stuffed Tiger | | Subject: | Re: Bill Martin is NOT a thief | | Date: | Thu, 20 Jan 2005 04:32:28 GMT |
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| On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:19:16 -0800, "Richard C."
wrote:
.... snip ...
>It is his site. HE is responsible.
And you may well want to hold him responsible, and I may not like the
fact that this happened (or even that those pictures are there). In
the broader context of a world with horrors like the Tsunami and the
ongoing crises in the Congo and Sudan, what I think about being
responsible, one to another, seems to not matter much.
While I understand how you feel (because I would feel the same) and
that this matters to you, that does not mean Bill is responsible in
any legal way or would be held as responsible by a broader public,
some of whom would jail you for what you put on your web site if they
could find a way to hold *you* responsible to them for that.
BTW, I liked your web site very much. Thank you.
.... snip ...
>But he argues and it takes quite an effort to have them removed.
>If you get to persistant, he blocks your e-mail address.
I am sorry to hear that. He sent out a letter indicating he was ready,
willing and able to remove such material. What you say is
disappointing. I hope he has changed his policy since your encounter.
.... snip ...
>Free has nothing to do with it.
Free has a lot to do with it. See my reply to Dan on rec.nude.
>Stealing them for your own use is a violation of US copyright law.
Making a copy is not theft.
When you publish something to the public, you give up rights. The
reason you have a copyright is to enable you to publish without giving
up *all* rights. You may sue for violations of your copyright outside
of "fair use" but that does not include all use.
Even if it were to be a copyright violation, that is a violation of
rights granted to you by the copyright law (that you would not
otherwise have), not a theft.
>
>At least two other famous photographers are now planning legal action
>against Bill.
The photographers may have a case if they can prove damages - that in
some way these actions hurt their ability to sell their images.
Otherwise, they will just end up spending their money for nothing,
even if they cost Bill in the process, and he may win and cost them.
.... snip ...
>That is because almost ALL of them are lifted from other places.
>virtually NONE of the pictures are legitimate submissions by the actual
>owner of the picture.
How do you know this? I am asking. I can go out there and see for
myself if you tell me what to look for to determine this. As things
stand, I have not been there, but I would have no issue going there.
>
>he also uses pages from numerous "" sites.
>That was my second BIG objection to his use of my pictures....
>I do not want them associated with cocazilla.com [sp?] pictures.
Then you may have a case for damages if there are pictures that would
be considered ual as opposed to simple nudity. Again, I would ask
how you know, because it is a serious charge IMHO. I have posted to
the message boards on that site and get their eMail. I will want to
withdraw my membership immediately if what you say is true.
ST
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| | From: | El Dorado Hot Springs | | Subject: | Re: Bill Martin is NOT a thief | | Date: | Thu, 20 Jan 2005 04:48:29 GMT |
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Dear StuTig,
This is rec.nude, IDIOT!
ROTFLMOA!!!
PLONK CITY, here we come! Keep it up!
Bill
"Stuffed Tiger" wrote in message
> See my reply to Dan on rec.nude.
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| | From: | Stuffed Tiger | | Subject: | Re: Bill Martin is NOT a thief | | Date: | Thu, 20 Jan 2005 05:11:40 GMT |
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| On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 04:48:29 GMT, "El Dorado Hot Springs"
wrote:
>
>"Stuffed Tiger" wrote in message
>
>> See my reply to Dan on rec.nude.
>
>
>Dear StuTig,
>
>This is rec.nude, IDIOT!
There you go again.
The message I replied to was cross-posted.
When I replied to Dan, his message was only posted to rec.nude, so I
only posted there. Unlike some people, I don't cross post unless I am
replying to one.
I referred people on the other forums to rec.nude.
Now, I demand an apology.
>
>ROTFLMOA!!!
>
>PLONK CITY, here we come! Keep it up!
Although many of your posts are informative, You have not had one nice
or informed thing to say in reply to me. Am I supposed to be scared or
offended by such a threat? What do I lose if you stop replying to me?
Do you think I need your threats or your abuse.
>
>Bill
>
ST
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| | From: | cyndiann | | Subject: | Re: Bill Martin is NOT a thief | | Date: | Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:02:47 GMT |
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| I did not get the original post from this thread for some reason.
"Richard C." wrote in message
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> "Dario Western" wrote in
> message news:e8WGd.176$8V2.9901@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
> > Hi all,
> >
> > This just came by me yesterday from a fellow on the Christian-nudist
> > group,
> > if you still insist on sticking your pins in him.
> >
> > Bill Martin has not posted most of the photos in the Naturist
> > Christians forum.
>
> ==========================
> It is his site. HE is responsible.
Yup, that would be true.
> ============================
>
> >They came from several people, administrators and
> > regular members. If you insist on blaming Naturist Christians Forum,
> > please note that there are several forum administrators in several
> > countries, not just Bill. He spends much of his time working on
> > Natura community these days.
> >
> =============================
> Then he needs to ger RESPONSIBLE people to oversee the web site.
> ==============================
>
> > Bill wrote recently that Naturist Christians has removed some photos
> > at the request of the owners.
>
> ============================
> But he argues and it takes quite an effort to have them removed.
> If you get to persistant, he blocks your e-mail address.
Did he take yours down Richard? Mine is still there and I found a second
one.
> =================================
>
> >He also explained that it is
> > not "stealing" to post photos from free Web sites.
>
> ===============================
> He is 100% WRONG on this "explanation".
> My web pictures were on my "free" web site and the page was CLEARLY marked
> that they were copyrighted by me.
> Free has nothing to do with it.
> Stealing them for your own use is a violation of US copyright law.
Yup, it's stealing.
>
> At least two other famous photographers are now planning legal action
> against Bill.
Details please!
> ===================================
>
> >Still, it has
> > been their policy to take down any photos that someone claims
> > ownership of, at the owner's request.
> >
> ===========================
> As I said...........only after a large hassle.
From what I've seen none have been taken down. When he's told to remove them
he just removes the person that is complaining and leaves the pictures.
> =============================
>
> > With all the thousands of photos in their gallery, it seems absurd
> > that they would need to steal photos to add to their already
> > extensive gallery."
> >
> ==============================
> That is because almost ALL of them are lifted from other places.
> virtually NONE of the pictures are legitimate submissions by the actual
> owner of the picture.
>
> he also uses pages from numerous "" sites.
> That was my second BIG objection to his use of my pictures....
> I do not want them associated with cocazilla.com [sp?] pictures.
That is very true. I doubt that hardly any of them were obtained in a legal
fashion.
Very many have watermarks on them from other sites and many of those sites
are sites. I wrote to a few of them asking if they had given permission
to Bill's site to post them and they said they had not.
cyndiann
www.mynudelife.com
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| | From: | Richard C. | | Subject: | Re: Bill Martin is NOT a thief | | Date: | Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:00:31 -0800 |
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| cyndiann.
I have reposted the 3 messages that were in the thread.
They appeared only on alt.christnet.nudism since Dario crossposted them
and he posted to Rec.nude and not to rec.nude.
Case matters................
"cyndiann" wrote in message
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>I did not get the original post from this thread for some reason.
>
>
> "Richard C." wrote in message
> news:41ee7736$0$27382$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
>> X-No-archive: yes
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>> "Dario Western" wrote in
>> message news:e8WGd.176$8V2.9901@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > This just came by me yesterday from a fellow on the Christian-nudist
>> > group,
>> > if you still insist on sticking your pins in him.
>> >
>> > Bill Martin has not posted most of the photos in the Naturist
>> > Christians forum.
>>
>> ==========================
>> It is his site. HE is responsible.
>
> Yup, that would be true.
>
>> ============================
>>
>> >They came from several people, administrators and
>> > regular members. If you insist on blaming Naturist Christians Forum,
>> > please note that there are several forum administrators in several
>> > countries, not just Bill. He spends much of his time working on
>> > Natura community these days.
>> >
>> =============================
>> Then he needs to ger RESPONSIBLE people to oversee the web site.
>> ==============================
>>
>> > Bill wrote recently that Naturist Christians has removed some photos
>> > at the request of the owners.
>>
>> ============================
>> But he argues and it takes quite an effort to have them removed.
>> If you get to persistant, he blocks your e-mail address.
>
> Did he take yours down Richard? Mine is still there and I found a second
> one.
>
>> =================================
>>
>> >He also explained that it is
>> > not "stealing" to post photos from free Web sites.
>>
>> ===============================
>> He is 100% WRONG on this "explanation".
>> My web pictures were on my "free" web site and the page was CLEARLY
>> marked
>> that they were copyrighted by me.
>> Free has nothing to do with it.
>> Stealing them for your own use is a violation of US copyright law.
>
> Yup, it's stealing.
>
>>
>> At least two other famous photographers are now planning legal action
>> against Bill.
>
> Details please!
>
>> ===================================
>>
>> >Still, it has
>> > been their policy to take down any photos that someone claims
>> > ownership of, at the owner's request.
>> >
>> ===========================
>> As I said...........only after a large hassle.
>
> From what I've seen none have been taken down. When he's told to remove
> them
> he just removes the person that is complaining and leaves the pictures.
>
>> =============================
>>
>> > With all the thousands of photos in their gallery, it seems absurd
>> > that they would need to steal photos to add to their already
>> > extensive gallery."
>> >
>> ==============================
>> That is because almost ALL of them are lifted from other places.
>> virtually NONE of the pictures are legitimate submissions by the actual
>> owner of the picture.
>>
>> he also uses pages from numerous "" sites.
>> That was my second BIG objection to his use of my pictures....
>> I do not want them associated with cocazilla.com [sp?] pictures.
>
> That is very true. I doubt that hardly any of them were obtained in a
> legal
> fashion.
> Very many have watermarks on them from other sites and many of those sites
> are sites. I wrote to a few of them asking if they had given
> permission
> to Bill's site to post them and they said they had not.
>
> cyndiann
> www.mynudelife.com
>
>> ================================
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| | From: | Richard C. | | Subject: | Re: Bill Martin is NOT a thief | | Date: | Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:31:05 -0800 |
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"Richard C." wrote in message
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> ==========================
> It is his sight. HE is responsible.
> ============================
>
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sorry........his "site"..............
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