"mo" wrote in message
news:1105491595.173489.190430@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> Can anyone help? I am a new Koi keeper, I put my first six Koi into my
> newly built pond in November. 10 days ago when I wend down to feed
> them there were only five Koi and three of my gold fish had also gone.
> I have a Heron that comes to the pond every day. I have tried putting
> a fake Heron at the side of the pond but the real one keeps coming
> back. Any ideas on how I can get rid of it? Also since the fish went
> missing the other Koi and gold fish in the pond will no longer come up
> to the surface. They sit on the bottom of the pond all the time and
> wont feed. Any advice would be appreciated.
>

You might try asking over in rec.ponds.

But, pond netting is usually the best option. Just keep it off the surface,
so you don't snag the fish. If you're in the southern US, a floating
aligator might work. Some people swear by the electric fence, but it was too
short to stop my Heron.

From:	Richard Baptista
Subject:	Re: Herons
Date:	Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:27:35 GMT

The only way I have managed to keep herons away was to net the pond.
If
you make a frame with the net tacked on to it, place it over the pond. It
can be lifted off when you're out in the Garden.

"Bill Stock" wrote in message
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>
> "mo" wrote in message
> news:1105491595.173489.190430@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>> Can anyone help? I am a new Koi keeper, I put my first six Koi into my
>> newly built pond in November. 10 days ago when I wend down to feed
>> them there were only five Koi and three of my gold fish had also gone.
>> I have a Heron that comes to the pond every day. I have tried putting
>> a fake Heron at the side of the pond but the real one keeps coming
>> back. Any ideas on how I can get rid of it? Also since the fish went
>> missing the other Koi and gold fish in the pond will no longer come up
>> to the surface. They sit on the bottom of the pond all the time and
>> wont feed. Any advice would be appreciated.
>>
>
> You might try asking over in rec.ponds.
>
> But, pond netting is usually the best option. Just keep it off the
surface,
> so you don't snag the fish. If you're in the southern US, a floating
> aligator might work. Some people swear by the electric fence, but it was
too
> short to stop my Heron.
>
>
>

From:	~ jan JJsPond.us
Subject:	Re: Herons
Date:	Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:49:21 -0800

>> Can anyone help? I am a new Koi keeper, I put my first six Koi into my
>> newly built pond in November. 10 days ago when I wend down to feed
>> them there were only five Koi and three of my gold fish had also gone.
>> I have a Heron that comes to the pond every day. I have tried putting
>> a fake Heron at the side of the pond but the real one keeps coming
>> back. Any ideas on how I can get rid of it? Also since the fish went
>> missing the other Koi and gold fish in the pond will no longer come up
>> to the surface. They sit on the bottom of the pond all the time and
>> wont feed. Any advice would be appreciated.

I swear by the motion sprinkler, but you may have to put netting up for
awhile, since the heron has fed. Most deterrents work best before the bird
has been rewarded. And if Kathy didn't mention it in her list, fake fish,
drives them insane. ~ jan

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From:	~ Windsong ~
Subject:	Re: Herons
Date:	Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:26:00 -0600

"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
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>
> I swear by the motion sprinkler, but you may have to put netting up for
> awhile, since the heron has fed. Most deterrents work best before the bird
> has been rewarded. And if Kathy didn't mention it in her list, fake fish,
> drives them insane. ~ jan
=====================
The herons here took the fake fish one time,... learned their lesson and
went back to the real fish ignoring the fake completely.
--
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"Eat Right, Exercise, Die Anyway."
~~~~~~~ }<((((((o>
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From:	~ jan JJsPond.us
Subject:	Re: Herons
Date:	Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:55:17 -0800

>> I swear by the motion sprinkler, but you may have to put netting up for
>> awhile, since the heron has fed. Most deterrents work best before the bird
>> has been rewarded. And if Kathy didn't mention it in her list, fake fish,
>> drives them insane. ~ jan
>=====================
>The herons here took the fake fish one time,... learned their lesson and
>went back to the real fish ignoring the fake completely.

Either your herons are very very smart or your fish very dumb. ;o) Once a
bird strikes the fish are suppose to dive for cover. The fake fish should
be securely tied down so the bird can't remove and exam it. ~ jan

~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

From:	~ Windsong ~
Subject:	Re: Herons
Date:	Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:12:38 -0600

"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
news:gjabu09g2kuqo1paogtbod3d5sfsbk8cuc@4ax.com...
> >> I swear by the motion sprinkler, but you may have to put netting up for
> >> awhile, since the heron has fed. Most deterrents work best before the
bird
> >> has been rewarded. And if Kathy didn't mention it in her list, fake
fish,
> >> drives them insane. ~ jan
> >=====================
> >The herons here took the fake fish one time,... learned their lesson and
> >went back to the real fish ignoring the fake completely.
>
> Either your herons are very very smart or your fish very dumb. ;o)

## We had more than one Heron. There would often be one at the edge of the
pond and another in the tree by the driveway to await it's turn. And yes
they are smart, like all predatory birds. Fish are nowhere near as smart as
these birds. The bird stands there like a statue and the fish seem to
"forget" it's there if it does not move. Ask a fisherman about standing dead
still. You catch blueclaw crabs the same way. As soon as the fish comes
within range the heron snaps it up.

Once a
> bird strikes the fish are suppose to dive for cover.

## Not all of them do. I have seen the koi actually swim up to where the
CRANE was standing, probably thinking they would be fed. The crane flew off
when I opened the door. The fish, those who do hide, will only stay hidden
for so long, then they venture out (I watched from the window. The ponds
are right in front of my house) and the Heron strikes.

The fake fish should
> be securely tied down so the bird can't remove and exam it. ~ jan

## They were tied to pots of plants on a string. One heron got one onto
the rocks. Another heron (maybe the same one) actually stood on the pot and
tried to pry the fake fish loose to carry it off. It was funny to watch.
There was "something" about the fake fish they noticed (?) though because
they didn't bother with them after awhile and the real fish continued to
disappear..... and yes, I moved the fakes around the ponds. That didn't
help. They also ignored the fake owl and snakes.

--
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"Eat Right, Exercise, Die Anyway."
~~~~~~~ }<((((((o>
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From:	Katra
Subject:	Re: Herons
Date:	Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:09:25 -0600

In article ,
~ jan JJsPond.us wrote:

> >> Can anyone help? I am a new Koi keeper, I put my first six Koi into my
> >> newly built pond in November. 10 days ago when I wend down to feed
> >> them there were only five Koi and three of my gold fish had also gone.
> >> I have a Heron that comes to the pond every day. I have tried putting
> >> a fake Heron at the side of the pond but the real one keeps coming
> >> back. Any ideas on how I can get rid of it? Also since the fish went
> >> missing the other Koi and gold fish in the pond will no longer come up
> >> to the surface. They sit on the bottom of the pond all the time and
> >> wont feed. Any advice would be appreciated.
>
> I swear by the motion sprinkler, but you may have to put netting up for
> awhile, since the heron has fed. Most deterrents work best before the bird
> has been rewarded. And if Kathy didn't mention it in her list, fake fish,
> drives them insane. ~ jan
>
>

Where do you get fish decoys???

That sounds like a marvelous idea!

Black PVC pipe for hides? The fish use that?
--
K.

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see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain

From:	Crashj
Subject:	Re: Herons
Date:	Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:44:13 GMT

On or about Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:09:25 -0600, Katra
wrote something like:

>In article ,
> ~ jan JJsPond.us wrote:
>
>> >> Can anyone help?
<>
>> >> I have a Heron that comes to the pond every day.
<>
>Black PVC pipe for hides? The fish use that?

Oh, an all around excellent idea. I have a big piece at the bottom of
the pond as a Winter hidey-hole. They seem to like to hide in it when
it gets really cold. The water in there does not circulate much at
all, and it is more comfortable and quiet there. I guess. Plus - no
herons.
--
Crashj

From:	William Oertell
Subject:	Re: Herons
Date:	Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:44:01 -0800

My wife called me at work the other day to ask what this big white bird
was in our backyard. I asked if it was by the bond. She said yes, and I
said, "That would be a heron and it's probably dining on our goldfish."
Then she said that it had already flown away. A few minutes later she
called me back and said there were only four fish left. When I got back
late that afternoon I could see that most of the fish were hiding in the
black PVC pipe at the bottom of the pond.
I'm not sure how many the heron got, but I don't think it was many, as
I'm not sure exactly how many there were before. It didn't get too many,
though.
I've since replaced the PVC pipe with clay pipe. It's heavier.

"Crashj" wrote in message
news:i5fgu0td34m25il0vrtud0gn4v1krd9qrf@4ax.com...
> On or about Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:09:25 -0600, Katra
> wrote something like:
>
> >In article ,
> > ~ jan JJsPond.us wrote:
> >
> >> >> Can anyone help?
> <>
> >> >> I have a Heron that comes to the pond every day.
> <>
> >Black PVC pipe for hides? The fish use that?
>
> Oh, an all around excellent idea. I have a big piece at the bottom of
> the pond as a Winter hidey-hole. They seem to like to hide in it when
> it gets really cold. The water in there does not circulate much at
> all, and it is more comfortable and quiet there. I guess. Plus - no
> herons.
> --
> Crashj

From:	Roy
Subject:	Re: Herons
Date:	Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:20:51 GMT

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:09:25 -0600, Katra
wrote:

>===<>In article ,
>===<> ~ jan JJsPond.us wrote:
>===<>
>===<>> >> Can anyone help? I am a new Koi keeper, I put my first six Koi into my
>===<>> >> newly built pond in November. 10 days ago when I wend down to feed
>===<>> >> them there were only five Koi and three of my gold fish had also gone.
>===<>> >> I have a Heron that comes to the pond every day. I have tried putting
>===<>> >> a fake Heron at the side of the pond but the real one keeps coming
>===<>> >> back. Any ideas on how I can get rid of it? Also since the fish went
>===<>> >> missing the other Koi and gold fish in the pond will no longer come up
>===<>> >> to the surface. They sit on the bottom of the pond all the time and
>===<>> >> wont feed. Any advice would be appreciated.
>===<>>
>===<>> I swear by the motion sprinkler, but you may have to put netting up for
>===<>> awhile, since the heron has fed. Most deterrents work best before the bird
>===<>> has been rewarded. And if Kathy didn't mention it in her list, fake fish,
>===<>> drives them insane. ~ jan
>===<>>
>===<>>
>===<>
>===<>Where do you get fish decoys???
>===<>
>===<>That sounds like a marvelous idea!
>===<>
>===<>Black PVC pipe for hides? The fish use that?
Yea you too, I have you kill filed..............

REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Sooooooooooooooooolow to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

From:	Katra
Subject:	Re: Herons
Date:	Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:23:28 -0600

In article <41e8074a.26776072@news.east.earthlink.net>,
carl.burns@MSN.com (Roy) wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:09:25 -0600, Katra
> wrote:
>
> >===<>Where do you get fish decoys???
> >===<>
> >===<>That sounds like a marvelous idea!
> >===<>
> >===<>Black PVC pipe for hides? The fish use that?
>
> Yea you too, I have you kill filed..............

YAY!!!

>

kat
--
K.

Sprout the MungBean to reply

"I don't like to commit myself about heaven and hell--you
see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain

From:	~ Windsong ~
Subject:	Re: Herons
Date:	Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:28:53 -0600

"Katra" wrote in message
news:KatraMungBean-13E8C2.00092512012005@corp.supernews.com...
>
> Where do you get fish decoys???

$ There was a place online that sold them. However I stumbled upon mine in
a store in Atlanta GA for $1.99 each. :-) Keep in mind that herons are
very intelligent so this is only a temporary deterrent.

> That sounds like a marvelous idea!

$ Until you can get netting - it is.

> Black PVC pipe for hides? The fish use that?

$ Mine didn't. The heron waits, as still as death, until the fish finally
sneak out - then they get the fish.
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
"Eat Right, Exercise, Die Anyway."
~~~~~~~ }<((((((o>
"They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
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From:	Mike Patterson
Subject:	Re: Herons
Date:	Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:03:00 -0500

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:09:25 -0600, Katra
wrote:

>In article ,
> ~ jan JJsPond.us wrote:
>
>> >> Can anyone help? I am a new Koi keeper, I put my first six Koi into my
>> >> newly built pond in November. 10 days ago when I wend down to feed
>> >> them there were only five Koi and three of my gold fish had also gone.
>> >> I have a Heron that comes to the pond every day. I have tried putting
>> >> a fake Heron at the side of the pond but the real one keeps coming
>> >> back. Any ideas on how I can get rid of it? Also since the fish went
>> >> missing the other Koi and gold fish in the pond will no longer come up
>> >> to the surface. They sit on the bottom of the pond all the time and
>> >> wont feed. Any advice would be appreciated.
>>
>> I swear by the motion sprinkler, but you may have to put netting up for
>> awhile, since the heron has fed. Most deterrents work best before the bird
>> has been rewarded. And if Kathy didn't mention it in her list, fake fish,
>> drives them insane. ~ jan
>>
>>
>
>Where do you get fish decoys???
>
>That sounds like a marvelous idea!
>
>Black PVC pipe for hides? The fish use that?

I put 3 pieces of 8" black plastic corrugated pipe in my pond, about 2
feet long. Used a torch to soften the cut edges before dropping in,
and put a few small stones in each to keep them on the bottom.

I've seen them in there after a heron visited this summer, so I think
it works.

YMMV
Mike

Mike Patterson
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From:	~ Windsong ~
Subject:	Re: Herons
Date:	Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:44:34 -0600

"Mike Patterson" wrote in message
news:jslau0tf9aplolbnbe20orlf3dvoemujj8@4ax.com...
>
> I've seen them in there after a heron visited this summer, so I think
> it works.
====================
Trust me. It doesn't. The herons will stand as still as death until the
fish forget it's there and venture out - then the heron strikes. I watched
and saw it happen from my dining room window. We were replacing koi monthly
and it was both heart breaking and expensive. I tried everything, then
finally got the fine, strong black bird netting. We never lost another
fish. The net also works with the other fish predators in many areas.
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
"Eat Right, Exercise, Die Anyway."
~~~~~~~ }<((((((o>
"They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
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From:	~ jan JJsPond.us
Subject:	Re: Herons
Date:	Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:44:24 -0800

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:09:25 -0600, Katra
wrote:

>> >> Can anyone help? I am a new Koi keeper, I put my first six Koi into my
>> >> newly built pond in November. 10 days ago when I wend down to feed
>> >> them there were only five Koi and three of my gold fish had also gone.
>> >> I have a Heron that comes to the pond every day. I have tried putting
>> >> a fake Heron at the side of the pond but the real one keeps coming
>> >> back. Any ideas on how I can get rid of it? Also since the fish went
>> >> missing the other Koi and gold fish in the pond will no longer come up
>> >> to the surface. They sit on the bottom of the pond all the time and
>> >> wont feed. Any advice would be appreciated.
>>
>> I swear by the motion sprinkler, but you may have to put netting up for
>> awhile, since the heron has fed. Most deterrents work best before the bird
>> has been rewarded. And if Kathy didn't mention it in her list, fake fish,
>> drives them insane. ~ jan
>>
>Where do you get fish decoys???

The really cheap ones you can get at www.aqua-mart.com, but there are
fancier version too. I haven't checked around, and the above website may
have them too. You could do a google search on to
find the best prices, if someone here hasn't purchased them recently.

From personal experience, one club member said he had a good time watching
while the heron coming to his pond was total frustrated. ;o) ~ jan

>That sounds like a marvelous idea!
>
>Black PVC pipe for hides? The fish use that?

~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

From:	~ Windsong ~
Subject:	Re: Herons
Date:	Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:58:01 -0600

"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
news:ts9bu0h10pirunvh9n7601sgvbh2l5qh1r@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:09:25 -0600, Katra
> wrote:
> From personal experience, one club member said he had a good time watching
> while the heron coming to his pond was total frustrated. ;o) ~ jan
========================
I also had a good time watching our herons and the fake koi. But then,
smart predators that they are, they quickly learned which were fake and
ignored them in favor of the real koi and GF.
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
"Eat Right, Exercise, Die Anyway."
~~~~~~~ }<((((((o>
"They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
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From:	Roy
Subject:	Re: Herons
Date:	Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:42:45 GMT

Shoot the darn thing and be done with it..

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:09:25 -0600, Katra
wrote:

>===<>In article ,
>===<> ~ jan JJsPond.us wrote:
>===<>
>===<>> >> Can anyone help? I am a new Koi keeper, I put my first six Koi into my
>===<>> >> newly built pond in November. 10 days ago when I wend down to feed
>===<>> >> them there were only five Koi and three of my gold fish had also gone.
>===<>> >> I have a Heron that comes to the pond every day. I have tried putting
>===<>> >> a fake Heron at the side of the pond but the real one keeps coming
>===<>> >> back. Any ideas on how I can get rid of it? Also since the fish went
>===<>> >> missing the other Koi and gold fish in the pond will no longer come up
>===<>> >> to the surface. They sit on the bottom of the pond all the time and
>===<>> >> wont feed. Any advice would be appreciated.
>===<>>
>===<>> I swear by the motion sprinkler, but you may have to put netting up for
>===<>> awhile, since the heron has fed. Most deterrents work best before the bird
>===<>> has been rewarded. And if Kathy didn't mention it in her list, fake fish,
>===<>> drives them insane. ~ jan
>===<>>
>===<>>
>===<>
>===<>Where do you get fish decoys???
>===<>
>===<>That sounds like a marvelous idea!
>===<>
>===<>Black PVC pipe for hides? The fish use that?

REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Sooooooooooooooooolow to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

From:	ah
Subject:	Re: Herons
Date:	Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:39:25 GMT

Roy wrote:
> Shoo

Shuttup.
--
ah

From:	Nedra Sucks
Subject:	Re: Herons
Date:	Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:38:09 GMT

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:39:25 GMT, ah wrote:

>===<>Roy wrote:
>===<>> Shoo
>===<>
>===<>Shuttup.

AHHHHHHHHHH, YOU ALREADY SAID THAT, WHATS A MATTER, YOU HAVE A STUTTER
PROBLEM OR WHAT? NOW BITE MY ASS DWEEB!

REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Sooooooooooooooooolow to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

From:	ah
Subject:	Re: Herons
Date:	Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:18:36 GMT

Nedra Sucks wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:39:25 GMT, ah wrote:
>
>>===<>Roy wrote:
>>===<>> Shoo
>>===<>
>>===<>Shuttup.
>
> AHHHHHHH

*tsk*
--
ah

From:	Benign Vanilla
Subject:	Re: Herons
Date:	Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:37:57 -0500

"Roy" wrote in message
news:41e4fe5d.24490489@news.east.earthlink.net...
> Shoot the darn thing and be done with it..

So is this what you consider good advice for newbies?

--
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http://www.iheartmypond.com
I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.

From:	Cichlidiot
Subject:	Re: Herons
Date:	Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:32:26 +0000 (UTC)

In rec.ponds Benign Vanilla wrote:

> "Roy" wrote in message
> news:41e4fe5d.24490489@news.east.earthlink.net...
>> Shoot the darn thing and be done with it..
>

> So is this what you consider good advice for newbies?

Hmm, go on vacation, come back to find a troll named Roy has taken up
residence. BV, don't bother replying to Roy. The more people that do reply
to him (particularly "ah" with the autoreply, that's utterly pointless and
just ups the signal to noise ratio), the more he will post. I regular
another newsgroup that has had a resident troll for years. For the most
part, newbies quickly recognize that the person is a troll by the nature
of his postings. The more the regulars ignore the resident troll, the less
clutter the newsgroup has. The threads that have the worst signal to noise
ratio are the ones where people reply to the troll there. Seeing similar
trends here when perusing the old messages for the last couple of weeks.
Just hold to the old "wait and count to 10" adage when you feel tempted to
reply.

Although in this case it is worthwhile to point out that what Roy has
"suggested" is illegal under the migratory bird act. Which is another
point in favor of labeling him a troll.

From:	Derek Broughton
Subject:	Re: Herons
Date:	Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:25:29 -0400

Cichlidiot wrote:

> In rec.ponds Benign Vanilla wrote:
>
>> "Roy" wrote in message
>> news:41e4fe5d.24490489@news.east.earthlink.net...
>>> Shoot the darn thing and be done with it..
>>
>
>> So is this what you consider good advice for newbies?
>
> Hmm, go on vacation, come back to find a troll named Roy has taken up
> residence. BV, don't bother replying to Roy.

Roy's not a troll. Roy's an abusive little child who needs to have his
Internet privileges revoked.

> The threads that have the worst signal to noise
> ratio are the ones where people reply to the troll there. Seeing similar
> trends here when perusing the old messages for the last couple of weeks.

Roy's just taking advantage of longstanding arguments on rec.ponds. Sorry
for the overflow.
--
derek

From:	~ Windsong ~
Subject:	Re: Herons & killfiles
Date:	Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:26:59 -0600

"Derek Broughton" wrote in message
news:pp2hb2-p07.ln1@iago.othello.pointerstop.ca...
>
> Roy's not a troll. Roy's an abusive little child who needs to have his
> Internet privileges revoked.
===========================
Like a few of the nasty arrogant people on rec.ponds who demanded my service
be revoked? The only reason I have ever contacted someone's ISP was for
spam abuse - and never demanded their service be nuked. Why not just
by-pass the posts of people you don't like?
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From:	Derek Broughton
Subject:	Re: Herons & killfiles
Date:	Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:42:28 -0400

~ Windsong ~ wrote:

>
> "Derek Broughton" wrote in message
> news:pp2hb2-p07.ln1@iago.othello.pointerstop.ca...
>>
>> Roy's not a troll. Roy's an abusive little child who needs to have his
>> Internet privileges revoked.
> ===========================
> Like a few of the nasty arrogant people on rec.ponds who demanded my
> service
> be revoked? The only reason I have ever contacted someone's ISP was for
> spam abuse - and never demanded their service be nuked. Why not just
> by-pass the posts of people you don't like?

Carol, I have no trouble bypassing ignorant posters. However, forging your
headers to say NedraSucks goes beyond both good taste and his ISP's terms
of service. I'm happy to forward abusive email and news postings to an
ISP. If nasty arrogant people demanded your service be revoked (it must
have been while I was away), there are only three possible outcomes: they
were ignored by your ISP - because you didn't violate your TOS; you lost
your service _because_ you violated your TOS; or you lost your service
because your ISP was too ignorant to properly investigate - in which case
you needed a better ISP anyway.
--
derek

From:	Benign Vanilla
Subject:	Re: Herons
Date:	Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:08:30 -0500

"Cichlidiot" wrote in message
news:cs3u0a$2dr$2@skeeter.ucdavis.edu...

> Hmm, go on vacation, come back to find a troll named Roy has taken up
> residence. BV, don't bother replying to Roy. The more people that do reply
> to him (particularly "ah" with the autoreply, that's utterly pointless and
> just ups the signal to noise ratio), the more he will post. I regular
> another newsgroup that has had a resident troll for years. For the most
> part, newbies quickly recognize that the person is a troll by the nature
> of his postings. The more the regulars ignore the resident troll, the less
> clutter the newsgroup has. The threads that have the worst signal to noise
> ratio are the ones where people reply to the troll there. Seeing similar
> trends here when perusing the old messages for the last couple of weeks.
> Just hold to the old "wait and count to 10" adage when you feel tempted to
> reply.

Yer right. 100% right. I promise to ignore him from now on.

--
BV
Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com
http://www.iheartmypond.com
I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.

From:	San Diego Joe
Subject:	Re: Herons
Date:	Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:54:07 -0800

"Katra" wrote:

> In article ,
> ~ jan JJsPond.us wrote:
>

> Where do you get fish decoys???

When any of my fish go belly up, I just have them stuffed, waterproofed and
put back in the pond attached to a small anchor.

San Diego Joe
4,000 - 5,000 Gallons.
Goldfish, a RES named Colombo and an Oscar.

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From:	Katra
Subject:	Re: Herons
Date:	Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:29:13 -0600

In article ,
San Diego Joe wrote:

> "Katra" wrote:
>
> > In article ,
> > ~ jan JJsPond.us wrote:
> >
>
>
> > Where do you get fish decoys???
>
>
>
>
> When any of my fish go belly up, I just have them stuffed, waterproofed and
> put back in the pond attached to a small anchor.
>
> San Diego Joe
> 4,000 - 5,000 Gallons.
> Goldfish, a RES named Colombo and an Oscar.
>

Now that is an interesting idea!!!
--
K.

Sprout the MungBean to reply

"I don't like to commit myself about heaven and hell--you
see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain

From:	2pods
Subject:	Re: Herons
Date:	Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:50:52 -0000

What I want to know is what herons taste like ?

Peter
"Katra" wrote in message
news:KatraMungBean-8D264B.01291313012005@corp.supernews.com...
> In article ,
> San Diego Joe wrote:
>
>> "Katra" wrote:
>>
>> > In article ,
>> > ~ jan JJsPond.us wrote:
>> >
>>
>>
>> > Where do you get fish decoys???
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> When any of my fish go belly up, I just have them stuffed, waterproofed
>> and
>> put back in the pond attached to a small anchor.
>>
>> San Diego Joe
>> 4,000 - 5,000 Gallons.
>> Goldfish, a RES named Colombo and an Oscar.
>>
>
> Now that is an interesting idea!!!
> --
> K.
>
> Sprout the MungBean to reply
>
> "I don't like to commit myself about heaven and hell--you
> see, I have friends in both places." --Mark Twain

From:	Benign Vanilla
Subject:	Re: Herons
Date:	Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:51:45 -0500

"2pods" wrote in message
news:34njmpF4ch9l3U1@individual.net...
> What I want to know is what herons taste like ?

Resist....urge....to....say....

Aghhhhhh

THEY TASTE LIKE CHICKEN!!!!!

--
BV
Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com
http://www.iheartmypond.com
I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.

From:	2pods
Subject:	Re: Herons
Date:	Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:00:00 -0000

"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message
news:34njouF4cnn3rU1@individual.net...
>
> "2pods" wrote in message
> news:34njmpF4ch9l3U1@individual.net...
>> What I want to know is what herons taste like ?
>
>
> Resist....urge....to....say....
>
>
> Aghhhhhh

Good enough for me and the cats :-)
After all, eating is not killing .

Peter
>
> THEY TASTE LIKE CHICKEN!!!!!
>
>
> --
> BV
> Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com
> http://www.iheartmypond.com
> I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.
>
>
>

From:	Derek Broughton
Subject:	Re: Herons
Date:	Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:21:35 -0400

Benign Vanilla wrote:

>
> "2pods" wrote in message
> news:34njmpF4ch9l3U1@individual.net...
>> What I want to know is what herons taste like ?
>
>
> Resist....urge....to....say....
>
>
> Aghhhhhh
>
> THEY TASTE LIKE CHICKEN!!!!!
>
>
Thanks, Jeff. Now the urge for me to say it has gone away :-)
--
derek