In the next election who you vote for will be monitored and anyone who votes
for Democrats will be rounded up and thrown in a work camp. So make sure you
vote Republican so this does not happen to you!

From:	Uncle Al
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:12:32 -0800

Gactimus wrote:
>
> In the next election who you vote for will be monitored and anyone who votes
> for Democrats will be rounded up and thrown in a work camp. So make sure you
> vote Republican so this does not happen to you!

Idiot. Mob Democrats are already confined to work camps.

--
Uncle Al
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(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf

From:	Roger Bagula
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:34:42 GMT

Uncle Al wrote:

> Gactimus wrote:
>
>>In the next election who you vote for will be monitored and anyone who votes
>>for Democrats will be rounded up and thrown in a work camp. So make sure you
>>vote Republican so this does not happen to you!
>
>
> Idiot. Mob Democrats are already confined to work camps.
>
Dear Uncle Al,
From some of your posts: it might not be a bad idea to lock you up, ha,
ha :.)
The one with the link to the guy
with his head up his ass
had me rolling around laughing for a while.

The camp thing is what I call a "worst case scenario".

If Bush is even worse than we imagine right now...
not just making "everybody" get strip searches to get on airlines.

Best case: he will serve his four years and not be heard from again.

Roman history: After Julius Caesar's assassination Mark Anthony,
Octavius and his friends rounded up the
best and brightest of the opposition and killed them ( somewhere near
200 people including Cisero).
So let us hope no one kills Bush.

Respectfully, Roger L. Bagula
tftn@earthlink.net, 11759Waterhill Road, Lakeside,Ca 92040-2905,tel:
619-5610814 :
alternative email: rlbtftn@netscape.net
URL : http://home.earthlink.net/~tftn

From:	Prai Jei
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:03:43 +0000

Roger Bagula (or somebody else of the same name) wrote thusly in message
:

> Roman history: After Julius Caesar's assassination Mark Anthony,
> Octavius and his friends rounded up the
> best and brightest of the opposition and killed them ( somewhere near
> 200 people including Cisero).

Lepidus, the third member of this Gang of Three ("Triumvirate"), vanished
from history quite early. The alliance between Anthony and Octavius didn't
last long either, they soon fell out, Octavius aka Augustus became emperor,
leaving Anthony to become governor of Egypt or something.
--
Paul Townsend
Pair them off into threes

Interchange the alphabetic letter groups to reply

From:	David Kastrup
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:28:49 +0100

"robert j. kolker" writes:

> jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
>> One is called Massachusetts.
>
> The People's Republic of Massachussetts. I live there. But I am not
> a Democrat. I only voted Democrat once and that was for Kennedy. I
> vote Libertarian most of the time.

Given a rather special value of "liberty", it would appear.

--
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

From:	robert j. kolker
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:16:44 -0500

David Kastrup wrote:
>
>
> Given a rather special value of "liberty", it would appear.

A libertarian is one who favors a smaller government to a larger
(conditions in the world permitting, of course). In a peaceful war free
world we would want only enough government to assure peace and quite and
being secure in property and person. During times of war one would want
a government that can field and manage an army sufficiently to bring
victory.

Bob Kolker

From:	Andy Jakcsy
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	24 Jan 2005 01:15:35 GMT

Bob (holy) Kolker sez:

<<
>David Kastrup wrote:
>>
>>
>> Given a rather special value of "liberty", it would appear.
>
>A libertarian is one who favors a smaller government to a larger
>(conditions in the world permitting, of course). In a peaceful war free
>world we would want only enough government to assure peace and quite and
>being secure in property and person. During times of war one would want
>a government that can field and manage an army sufficiently to bring
>victory.
>
>>

....And guess what? You can sufficiently do that with a small government...and
a willing populace. After 9/11, a government of 1 could've recruited enough
people to hunt down Osama. Now, you could spend a trillion on recruitment and
still not get anyone to go to Iraq...even if you brought back the draft...

----
"I'm not a Republican, but I'm saving up to become one."
--Emo Phillips, on the Bob & Tom Show

From:	jmfbahciv at aol.com
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 05 12:21:00 GMT

In article ,
David Kastrup wrote:
>"robert j. kolker" writes:
>
>> jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
>>> One is called Massachusetts.
>>
>> The People's Republic of Massachussetts. I live there. But I am not
>> a Democrat. I only voted Democrat once and that was for Kennedy. I
>> vote Libertarian most of the time.
>
>Given a rather special value of "liberty", it would appear.

Mostly, none. This party also doesn't have a practical bone
in their thinking.

/BAH

Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.

From:	robert j. kolker
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:18:12 -0500

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

> Mostly, none. This party also doesn't have a practical bone
> in their thinking.

By and large true. The Liberarian vote is essentially "none of the
above" or NOTA. If the Libertarian party every won in a major way, most
Libertarians (party memebers) would die of shock.

Bob Kolker

From:	John Larkin
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:01:06 -0800

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:18:12 -0500, "robert j. kolker"
wrote:

>
>
>jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>> Mostly, none. This party also doesn't have a practical bone
>> in their thinking.
>
>By and large true. The Liberarian vote is essentially "none of the
>above" or NOTA. If the Libertarian party every won in a major way, most
>Libertarians (party memebers) would die of shock.
>
>Bob Kolker

How can you organize a political party that consists of people whose
philosophy is "leave me alone"?

John

From:	robert j. kolker
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:30:30 -0500

John Larkin wrote:
> How can you organize a political party that consists of people whose
> philosophy is "leave me alone"?

Do you enjoy paying 30 to 40 percent of your income to support people
who neither weave nor spin (that would be most corporate executives and
the slum bunnies)? I think people should pay for what they get and get
what the pay for.

Bob Kolker

From:	jmfbahciv at aol.com
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 05 13:05:52 GMT

In article <35hmgoF4no03eU2@individual.net>,
"robert j. kolker" wrote:
>
>
>jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>> Mostly, none. This party also doesn't have a practical bone
>> in their thinking.
>
>By and large true. The Liberarian vote is essentially "none of the
>above" or NOTA. If the Libertarian party every won in a major way, most
>Libertarians (party memebers) would die of shock.

Yep. The only reason I vote for them, when I do, is
to keep the party legal in Mass. Somebody has to provide
opposition to the Royalty. ;-)

/BAH

Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.

From:	keith
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:49:46 -0500

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:05:52 +0000, jmfbahciv wrote:

> In article <35hmgoF4no03eU2@individual.net>,
> "robert j. kolker" wrote:
>>
>>
>>jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Mostly, none. This party also doesn't have a practical bone
>>> in their thinking.
>>
>>By and large true. The Liberarian vote is essentially "none of the
>>above" or NOTA. If the Libertarian party every won in a major way, most
>>Libertarians (party memebers) would die of shock.
>
> Yep. The only reason I vote for them, when I do, is
> to keep the party legal in Mass. Somebody has to provide
> opposition to the Royalty. ;-)

I used to do that in NY. Most often, the person I was going to vote for
was on a minority party ticket too, so I always chose the minority party
line. ...usually Libertarian or Conservative.

--
Keith

From:	jmfbahciv at aol.com
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 05 11:09:40 GMT

In article <41F2C1C0.9CE42CD5@hate.spam.net>,
Uncle Al wrote:
>Gactimus wrote:
>>
>> In the next election who you vote for will be monitored and anyone who
votes
>> for Democrats will be rounded up and thrown in a work camp. So make sure
you
>> vote Republican so this does not happen to you!
>
>Idiot. Mob Democrats are already confined to work camps.
>
One is called Massachusetts.

/BAH

Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.

From:	robert j. kolker
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 07:09:46 -0500

jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
>
> One is called Massachusetts.

The People's Republic of Massachussetts. I live there. But I am not a
Democrat. I only voted Democrat once and that was for Kennedy. I vote
Libertarian most of the time.

Bob Kolker

From:	Don Pearce
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:13:22 GMT

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:54:44 GMT, Gactimus wrote:

>In the next election who you vote for will be monitored and anyone who votes
>for Democrats will be rounded up and thrown in a work camp. So make sure you
>vote Republican so this does not happen to you!

How do I do that? We don't have a Republican party.

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

From:	OsherD
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	23 Jan 2005 20:04:39 -0800

You can't round up all Democrat voters because:
A. They're all in France. And/or:
B. They're all in "Palestine" apologizing to the "Palestinians" because
Israel (and incidentally the Jews) had to defend itself since 1967,
which put Israel on the bad list of the Peace-At-Any-Pricers. And/or:
C. The Anti-Bush and Pro-Kerry people aren't the same people. Nobody
really knows this one.

Osher

From:	John Larkin
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:33:13 -0800

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:54:44 GMT, Gactimus wrote:

>In the next election who you vote for will be monitored and anyone who votes
>for Democrats will be rounded up and thrown in a work camp.

The big problem will then be to teach them how to work.

John

From:	jmfbahciv at aol.com
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 05 11:08:17 GMT

In article ,
David Kastrup wrote:
>"robert j. kolker" writes:
>
>> John Larkin wrote:
>>> The big problem will then be to teach them how to work.
>>
>> When Moses spake unto the Israelites he told them to load up their
>> camels and mount their asses to go to the Promised Land. When FDR
>> addressed the American workers he told them to light up their Camels
>> and sit on their asses. This is the promised land.
>>
>> The days of coddling the proletarian swine are numbered.
>
>It's just unfortunate that nobody has as to yet figured out a way to
>get work done without workers (aka proletarian swine). You can't
>plough a field with a silver spoon.

Ptui. That would be half-way to solving the problem. Most
of these people aren't aware that fields need to be plowed.

/BAH

Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.

From:	David Kastrup
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:30:45 +0100

"robert j. kolker" writes:

> John Larkin wrote:
>> The big problem will then be to teach them how to work.
>
> When Moses spake unto the Israelites he told them to load up their
> camels and mount their asses to go to the Promised Land. When FDR
> addressed the American workers he told them to light up their Camels
> and sit on their asses. This is the promised land.
>
> The days of coddling the proletarian swine are numbered.

It's just unfortunate that nobody has as to yet figured out a way to
get work done without workers (aka proletarian swine). You can't
plough a field with a silver spoon.

--
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

From:	John Larkin
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:45:12 -0800

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:30:45 +0100, David Kastrup wrote:
>
>It's just unfortunate that nobody has as to yet figured out a way to
>get work done without workers (aka proletarian swine). You can't
>plough a field with a silver spoon.

But one tractor, with air-conditioned cabin and custom sound system,
replaces 50 or so workers. We, the engineers, build stuff like this.

John

From:	Spehro Pefhany
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:17:27 -0500

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:45:12 -0800, the renowned John Larkin
wrote:

>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:30:45 +0100, David Kastrup wrote:
>>
>>It's just unfortunate that nobody has as to yet figured out a way to
>>get work done without workers (aka proletarian swine). You can't
>>plough a field with a silver spoon.
>
>But one tractor, with air-conditioned cabin and custom sound system,
>replaces 50 or so workers. We, the engineers, build stuff like this.
>
>John

Don't forget the GPS positioning system (and load cells) so the
fertilizer and crops go exactly where they are supposed to in the
quantities they are supposed to. Big business for Rockwell.

And with automation and 3rd world workers, the direct labor content of
many products can be reduced to a negligible portion of selling cost.
That $40 pair of kid's boots probably only has 50 cents of direct
labor (in, say, Vietnam), other markups and costs fill the Gap errr
gap between materials and retail.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
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Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

From:	John Larkin
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:30:20 -0800

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:17:27 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
wrote:

>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:45:12 -0800, the renowned John Larkin
> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:30:45 +0100, David Kastrup wrote:
>>>
>>>It's just unfortunate that nobody has as to yet figured out a way to
>>>get work done without workers (aka proletarian swine). You can't
>>>plough a field with a silver spoon.
>>
>>But one tractor, with air-conditioned cabin and custom sound system,
>>replaces 50 or so workers. We, the engineers, build stuff like this.
>>
>>John
>
>Don't forget the GPS positioning system (and load cells) so the
>fertilizer and crops go exactly where they are supposed to in the
>quantities they are supposed to. Big business for Rockwell.
>
>And with automation and 3rd world workers, the direct labor content of
>many products can be reduced to a negligible portion of selling cost.
>That $40 pair of kid's boots probably only has 50 cents of direct
>labor (in, say, Vietnam), other markups and costs fill the Gap errr
>gap between materials and retail.
>
>

I saw an ad on page 3 of the NY Times (don't even ask what an ad like
that costs) for a pair of jeans that were threadbare, bleached out,
and had the knees ripped open. $250.

The jeans I'm wearing right now look just about like that.

John

From:	keith
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:59:04 -0500

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 12:30:20 -0800, John Larkin wrote:

> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 15:17:27 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:45:12 -0800, the renowned John Larkin
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:30:45 +0100, David Kastrup wrote:
>>>>
>>>>It's just unfortunate that nobody has as to yet figured out a way to
>>>>get work done without workers (aka proletarian swine). You can't
>>>>plough a field with a silver spoon.
>>>
>>>But one tractor, with air-conditioned cabin and custom sound system,
>>>replaces 50 or so workers. We, the engineers, build stuff like this.
>>>
>>>John
>>
>>Don't forget the GPS positioning system (and load cells) so the
>>fertilizer and crops go exactly where they are supposed to in the
>>quantities they are supposed to. Big business for Rockwell.
>>
>>And with automation and 3rd world workers, the direct labor content of
>>many products can be reduced to a negligible portion of selling cost.
>>That $40 pair of kid's boots probably only has 50 cents of direct
>>labor (in, say, Vietnam), other markups and costs fill the Gap errr
>>gap between materials and retail.
>>
>>
>
> I saw an ad on page 3 of the NY Times (don't even ask what an ad like
> that costs) for a pair of jeans that were threadbare, bleached out,
> and had the knees ripped open. $250.
>
> The jeans I'm wearing right now look just about like that.

You missed your calling... breaking in jeans.

--
Keith

From:	robert j. kolker
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:38:43 -0500

David Kastrup wrote:
>
> It's just unfortunate that nobody has as to yet figured out a way to
> get work done without workers (aka proletarian swine). You can't
> plough a field with a silver spoon.

Keep them working, keep them worried and keep the grateful that they
still have a job. As Lenin once said the Proletariat is revolting. I
agree. The Proletariate is very revolting.

Bob Kolker

From:	Crs smitty
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	22 Jan 2005 21:27:05 GMT

><35foe6F4m1k7sU1@individual.net>
>
>
>
>David Kastrup wrote:
>>
>> It's just unfortunate that nobody has as to yet figured out a way to
>> get work done without workers (aka proletarian swine). You can't
>> plough a field with a silver spoon.
>
>Keep them working, keep them worried and keep the grateful that they
>still have a job. As Lenin once said the Proletariat is revolting. I
>agree. The Proletariate is very revolting.
>
>Bob Kolker
>
>
>
>
>
>

spoken like a true fascist!!

smitty

From:	Watson & Parisi
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:20:42 -0600

"robert j. kolker" wrote in message
news:35foe6F4m1k7sU1@individual.net...
> Keep them working, keep them worried and keep the grateful that they
> still have a job. As Lenin once said the Proletariat is revolting. I
> agree. The Proletariate is very revolting.
>
> Bob Kolker

Let's see now. You have said that you want to nuke all the Muslims, to
extend the American empire around the world by force of arms, and
domestically to keep working people totally subjugated. You sound like a
perfect Republican, and we need more like you, since nothing could do more
to speed the implosion of the 'neoconservative' movement in the US. For this
the whole world owes you a debt of gratitude.

Robert.

From:	John Larkin
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:13:25 -0800

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:20:42 -0600, "Watson & Parisi"
wrote:

>"robert j. kolker" wrote in message
>news:35foe6F4m1k7sU1@individual.net...
>> Keep them working, keep them worried and keep the grateful that they
>> still have a job. As Lenin once said the Proletariat is revolting. I
>> agree. The Proletariate is very revolting.
>>
>> Bob Kolker
>
>Let's see now. You have said that you want to nuke all the Muslims, to
>extend the American empire around the world by force of arms, and
>domestically to keep working people totally subjugated. You sound like a
>perfect Republican,

No, he just sounds nasty. There are lots of mean people on the left
and on the right.

John

From:	Crs smitty
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	22 Jan 2005 21:28:44 GMT

>Subject: Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up

fascist thread

From:	William Elliot
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:28:23 -0800

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005, John Larkin wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:30:45 +0100, David Kastrup wrote:
>>
>> It's just unfortunate that nobody has as to yet figured out a way to
>> get work done without workers (aka proletarian swine). You can't
>> plough a field with a silver spoon.
>
> But one tractor, with air-conditioned cabin and custom sound system,
> replaces 50 or so workers. We, the engineers, build stuff like this.
>
You who have never put a rivet thru anything builds naught but your ego
proclaiming how sophisticated of a proletarian swine you are. So shut up
and get back to pushing a Cad-Cam until your job is off shored or
programmers automate your Caddy-Cammy job.

People are such a nuisance always getting in the way of productivity that
they should all have their brains blown out to make room for MicroSoft
Brain Implant 1.00.

From:	John Larkin
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:02:41 -0800

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:28:23 -0800, William Elliot
wrote:

>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:30:45 +0100, David Kastrup wrote:
>>>
>>> It's just unfortunate that nobody has as to yet figured out a way to
>>> get work done without workers (aka proletarian swine). You can't
>>> plough a field with a silver spoon.
>>
>> But one tractor, with air-conditioned cabin and custom sound system,
>> replaces 50 or so workers. We, the engineers, build stuff like this.
>>
>You who have never put a rivet thru anything builds naught but your ego
>proclaiming how sophisticated of a proletarian swine you are. So shut up
>and get back to pushing a Cad-Cam until your job is off shored or
>programmers automate your Caddy-Cammy job.
>

Do pop rivets count?

John

From:	robert j. kolker
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:11:07 -0500

John Larkin wrote:
>
>
> The big problem will then be to teach them how to work.

When Moses spake unto the Israelites he told them to load up their
camels and mount their asses to go to the Promised Land. When FDR
addressed the American workers he told them to light up their Camels and
sit on their asses. This is the promised land.

The days of coddling the proletarian swine are numbered.

Bob Kolker

From:	William Elliot
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:40:49 -0800

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005, Gactimus wrote:

> In the next election who you vote for will be monitored and anyone who votes
> for Democrats will be rounded up and thrown in a work camp. So make sure you
> vote Republican so this does not happen to you!
>
Revival survival manual for the next theofascist four years: immediately
get baptized and a Republican Party membership card and don't worry about
the democrats, they're on the endangered species list.

Then kick back and relax, when the domocrates are gone, you'll get to
watch the privatized corporate Republican politicans fight among
themselves. It's billed to be the show down of the century, so be sure
not to miss it.

From:	William Elliot
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:07:35 -0800

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005, John Larkin wrote:
> William Elliot wrote:
>>>
>> Revival survival manual for the next theofascist four years: immediately
>> get baptized and a Republican Party membership card and don't worry about
>> the democrats, they're on the endangered species list.
>>
>> Then kick back and relax, when the domocrates are gone, you'll get to
>> watch the privatized corporate Republican politicans fight among
>> themselves. It's billed to be the show down of the century, so be sure
>> not to miss it.
>
> Privatized corporations always fight among themselves. It's called
> "competition."
>
Until there's just one corporation and no small businesses.
Then you buy drugs, prescription and street drugs, food,
clothing, housewhole furnishings, electronic equipment,
house, car, dog, cat, spouse, religion and politics from
the one almighty provider, Monsanto thru it's pet merchant
WalMart.

From:	John Larkin
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:40:51 -0800

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:07:35 -0800, William Elliot
wrote:

>On Sun, 23 Jan 2005, John Larkin wrote:
>> William Elliot wrote:
>>>>
>>> Revival survival manual for the next theofascist four years: immediately
>>> get baptized and a Republican Party membership card and don't worry about
>>> the democrats, they're on the endangered species list.
>>>
>>> Then kick back and relax, when the domocrates are gone, you'll get to
>>> watch the privatized corporate Republican politicans fight among
>>> themselves. It's billed to be the show down of the century, so be sure
>>> not to miss it.
>>
>> Privatized corporations always fight among themselves. It's called
>> "competition."
>>
>Until there's just one corporation and no small businesses.
>Then you buy drugs, prescription and street drugs, food,
>clothing, housewhole furnishings, electronic equipment,
>house, car, dog, cat, spouse, religion and politics from
>the one almighty provider, Monsanto thru it's pet merchant
>WalMart.

When has that ever happened? There are lots of things that prevent
100% monopolization of any market, not least the antitrust laws.

But street drugs?

John

From:	Crs smitty
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	24 Jan 2005 04:37:30 GMT

>
>On Sun, 23 Jan 2005, John Larkin wrote:
>> William Elliot wrote:
>>>>
>>> Revival survival manual for the next theofascist four years: immediately
>>> get baptized and a Republican Party membership card and don't worry about
>>> the democrats, they're on the endangered species list.
>>>
>>> Then kick back and relax, when the domocrates are gone, you'll get to
>>> watch the privatized corporate Republican politicans fight among
>>> themselves. It's billed to be the show down of the century, so be sure
>>> not to miss it.
>>
>> Privatized corporations always fight among themselves. It's called
>> "competition."
>>
>Until there's just one corporation and no small businesses.
>Then you buy drugs, prescription and street drugs, food,
>clothing, housewhole furnishings, electronic equipment,
>house, car, dog, cat, spouse, religion and politics from
>the one almighty provider, Monsanto thru it's pet merchant
>WalMart.
>
>
Hence the necessity for government control! Uncontrolled markets will always
eventually end up with only one winner! It's called monopoly! In Adam Smith's
"Commonwealth of Nations" -- THE book on capitalism for centuries now - he
anticipated that nations would protect their own economies. We used to protect
our country when we were under more "liberal" government control, today though
ruled by so-called conservatives we don't protect anything but the freemarket
and that totally! IT WON'T WORK!!!!! Corporations kill each other off daily
now and we will soon end up bankrupt of our foreign trade deficits!! And the
american people -- well it's like they have lost the ability to think anymore
-- all they do is become Rush Limbaugh "DITTOHEADS" dumb as hell, ranting
against "liberals" - who really are just "boogeymen" to them because they
cannot really define one except it's anyone who doesn't rant against liberals
like they do!! Dumb people they are anymore about the things that will be so
important to their children and grandchildren. It is a sad world coming and
it's all because in this new global economics with it's promise of cheap goods
-- nobody "did the math" to find out that the whole thing is merely a ploy to
reduce wages and benefits to workers! So if you are not leaving your children
a large nest egg to build on and they have to work for a living they are doomed
to a slaves wages forever! or at least until the next revolution - I would say
that we have not yet heard the last of "communism"!! The cry "Workers of the
World Unite" will rise again! Literature is full of examples of what happens
when markets are not controlled and the people with money get greedy like they
are most of the time anyway! We do not read literature anymore - we watch TV
that is controlled by the money people and we become DITTOHEADS putting our
faith in people with money instead of government which really was at one time
"for the people"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We will rue our choices to do this for
sure!!!

Smitty

People who do not know their history are doomed to repeat it!

From:	John Larkin
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:02:46 -0800

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:40:49 -0800, William Elliot
wrote:

>On Sat, 22 Jan 2005, Gactimus wrote:
>
>> In the next election who you vote for will be monitored and anyone who votes
>> for Democrats will be rounded up and thrown in a work camp. So make sure you
>> vote Republican so this does not happen to you!
>>
>Revival survival manual for the next theofascist four years: immediately
>get baptized and a Republican Party membership card and don't worry about
>the democrats, they're on the endangered species list.
>
>Then kick back and relax, when the domocrates are gone, you'll get to
>watch the privatized corporate Republican politicans fight among
>themselves. It's billed to be the show down of the century, so be sure
>not to miss it.

Privatized corporations always fight among themselves. It's called
"competition."

John

From:	William Elliot
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:01:37 -0800

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005, John Larkin wrote:
>>>
>>> Privatized corporations always fight among themselves. It's called
>>> "competition."
>>>
>> Until there's just one corporation and no small businesses.
>> Then you buy drugs, prescription and street drugs, food,
>> clothing, housewhole furnishings, electronic equipment,
>> house, car, dog, cat, spouse, religion and politics from
>> the one almighty provider, Monsanto thru it's pet merchant
>> WalMart.
>
> When has that ever happened? There are lots of things that prevent
> 100% monopolization of any market, not least the antitrust laws.
>
Ha! Who unforces antitrust laws? US Wonderbread Government, privatized
owned and run by corporations. Otherwise we'd see anti trust busting of
the prescription drug cartel instead of demands for government handouts
called Medicare prescription benefits.

> But street drugs?
>
That's a bit harder to muscle in on.

Make a wrong move, look out, those guys don't
play by Queens' Berry rules of corruption.

They might even outfit a drug plane to strafe your office building. So if
you's muscling in on their territory, better stay US office and not off
shore office to cheap country where such flyby shooting aren't run any
interference.

From:	Roger Bagula
Subject:	Re: Democratic voters will soon be rounded up
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:13:49 GMT

Gactimus wrote:
> In the next election who you vote for will be monitored and anyone who votes
> for Democrats will be rounded up and thrown in a work camp. So make sure you
> vote Republican so this does not happen to you!

I found this link ( I really doubt President Bush would go this far in
his path of lying to everybody: are you red or blue list... or unlisted?):
http://www.wealth4freedom.com/truth/6/holocaust.htm

The Coming American Holocaust?
Death Camps And Pick-Up Lists Ready?

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick
themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened"
Winston Churchill

Note - The following is an interview with 'Mr. Sea' regarding alleged
New World Order plans for the U.S. and its citizens. This is being
posted as a point of information. We have seen video of the Indiana
facility mentioned and it does appear to accurately fit the description
in this interview.

[NOTE: odds are you won't believe this source, so I have included an
alternative source including admissions from the Director of Resource
Management for the U.S. Army and from Congressman Henry Gonzales
(D,Texas). Read it and get very angry. - W.A.C.]

In the spring of 1997, Senior Editor, Professor Ian Stewart, met with
"Mr. Sea" (real name known but withheld) to discuss what he has learned
first-hand about the coming persecution at the hands of the New World
Order operatives.

With a seven-inch thick portfolio filled with photographs, news
articles, correspondence, etc., Mr. Sea revealed disturbing information
about New World Order efforts to destroy and enslave America.

The following are some of Mr. Sea's comments. But first, let's take a
look at the man who made the comments.

Mr. Sea, a committed Christian, is a former inspector for the Joint
Chiefs of Staff and the Department of Defense, with 31 years of federal
service: 22 in the military, nine with the Department of Defense,
including two year with the Air Staff. He's a holder of the Bronze Star,
the Purple Heart, the Defense Meritorious Service Medal, three awards of
the Joint Service Medal, all of the Vietnamese awards, as well as the
Joint Meritorious Unit Medal.

When he retired a few years ago, he was awarded the Secretary of Defense
Civilian Service Medal. He's been around the world to 31 countries on
four continents, and speaks five languages.

Mr. Sea spoke of the coming American Holocaust of the Government's plans
for dealing with the non-New World Orderites. He spoke of the
infrastructure that has already been set up to incarcerate and execute
Americans, and the locations of the facilities that will be used for
these purposes all with photographs, leaving little to the imagination.

"The infrastructure is set up. There are at least 130 concentration
camps quietly modified facilities which have sprung up and continue to
spring up across the country, seemingly devoid of activity, yet
requiring strange accoutrements such as barbed wire-topped fencing (with
the tops turned inward) and helicopter wind socks. Most have good
logistical supportability, with major highways and railroad transport
facilities adjacent to the sites.

"These facilities, many in remote areas across our country, are set up
to become concentration/detention camps, complete with gas chambers, for
resisters and dissidents. Generally speaking, they're set up for
dissenters who will not go along with the New World Order. The
'resisters' are gun owners who refuse to give up their weapons; the
'dissidents' are Christians, Patriots and Constitutionalists. These
camps are set up. I've seen many of them.

"On August 6, 1994, I toured the Amtrak Railcar Repair Facility at Beech
Grove, Indianapolis, Indiana. There are at least ten maintenance barns
at this facility, covering 129 acres, with two separate fences with the
tops leaning inward. The windows of several buildings have been bricked
up. Hence, you have three levels of security for Amtrak repair barns!

"There are three helicopter 25-knot aviation wind socks (which aren't
the correct ones to use for chemical spills which require 10-knot wind
socks). There are high security NSA-style people turnstiles, and high
intensity/security lighting for 24-hour operation. The box car (gas
chamber) building fence is marked with special 'RED/BLUE Zone' signs
[visible in the photo ]. This corresponds to the 'mission' of the
RED/BLUE Lists which surfaced in June and July of 1996.

[NOTE: that is approx. when I became convinced that rumours of similar
compounds here in Canada had a basis in fact.- W.A.C.]

"Under martial law, this will become a death camp. They're only going to
handle category one and two (RED and BLUE) people there. This box car
facility will be used for execution.

"One of the barns is large enough to put four box cars into. There are
powered vents on the top of the barn to vent the gas out of the building
after the box cars have been fumigated. All of the buildings have newly
installed six-inch gas pipes and furnaces installed in all 'railroad barns.'

"Since the photo [snipped] was taken in August 1994, FEMA has allocated
$6 million to make the walls and roofs of the buildings 'airtight' (see
article below). Under martial law, this facility could be immediately
used as an SS-style 'termination' gas chamber.

"On January 27, 1995, The Indianapolis News ran an article titled,
'Amtrak Lays off 212 at Beech Grove: 170 Lose Jobs at Maintenance Center
Today.' Why perform $6 million worth of renovations, and then lay off
212 people? Because the people doing the final executions will not be
Americans. Thus, the 'slots' of the 212 will be filled with non-Americans.

"They'll hire foreigners for this 'cappo' task. Cappo ('chief' in
Italian) was the title of the trustee prisoners who actually killed many
Jews for the SS butchers at Dachau, and at other Nazi crematoria across
Europe.

"The news article also said, '...hopes the yard may be able to solicit
work repairing private train cars, and perhaps subway cars from
Washington, DC, or other urban areas.' The repairing of private trains
is a dead giveaway to death cars!

"The article went on to say, 'Late last year, Congress ordered Amtrak to
spend at least $5.9 million patching holes in the roof and fixing
masonry on the walls of the giant machine sheds at Beech Grove.' These
buildings have been 'sealed.' They're airtight. The facility is
constructed to allow gas to be blown into all the buildings via the
newly installed, two-story, hot air heating furnaces."

Next, Mr. Sea elaborated on the two categories the 'RED and BLUE Lists'
and what they mean: "The RED List is for pick-up and execution before
unobtrusive preparations for martial law are initiated. The BLUE List is
also for execution, but at a later date 'within six weeks of martial law
declaration. There are no 're-education' plans for either category' just
execution.

"When you get picked up on a RED pick-up, they'll take you from your
home at night...probably around 4 a.m. and put you in a black van, then
drive you to a helicopter waiting to fly you to an intermediate point.
There, you'll be loaded onto a big 64-passenger CH-47 Chinook
helicopter...all black, unmarked and illegally operating under the
Treaty on Open Skies.

"Then they'll fly you to one of 38 cities where you'll board a 747, 737,
or 727. "You may be taken straight to a temporary detention facility.
When you're RED listed, you'll be taken to a red camp. Then you'll be
executed.

"At some point, martial law will be declared. (Martial law is when the
writ of Habeas Corpus to have a trial by jury is suspended. Instead, of
going to the judge, you go straight to jail for a limited time,) I
suspect there will be a major outage, or some other crisis which will be
the reason to declare martial law. At this point, the BLUE listed people
will be picked up. At that time, the country will be regionalized into
ten regions, which are already designated by FEMA.

"Be advised that it has been proven (in Wyoming and at least one other
location) that the black choppers have state-of-the-art radio (RF)
frequency wideband jammers, and can jam cell phones and CBs while
they're executing black operations missions (i.e., in your area). This
means that your cell phone could be jammed just before and/or during any
action against you.

"In June of 1996, an FBI agent got hold of the Region Three BLUE List
(from a CIA agent), and found his own name on it, and those of several
others he knew in Virginia. The Regional BLUE List stated that the names
on the BLUE List would be picked up 'within six weeks of the actual
martial law declaration.'

"This parallels the Nazi RED/BLUE List policy almost to the letter. The
parallel Nazi plan was published by Heinz Hohne in his 1966 book, The
Story of the Nazi SS: The Order of the Death's Head. (I've read this
book and sent it to Jack McLamb.)

"People say, 'It won't work.' But it will work if the 300,000 Soviet
troops which are ALREADY HERE can get the guns. The name of the game is
to blackball the people to get the guns . . . make the militia look bad,
make guns look bad, make everybody give up their guns. Once they get
your gun, they've got you, UNLESS you've got the angel of the Lord at
your door. If you've got the angel of the Lord out there protecting you,
it's another story. "The ones doing all of this are operating out of the
highest places in the Federal Government. They're cooperating with
'spirit guides and mediums' and using astrology and numerology. The
spirit guides are telling them what to do, and the entire thing is being
orchestrated at the highest spiritual levels. Every base has been
covered. They've thought of everything.

"If you notice, they often do things on the 13th of the month. Mr.
Clinton does a lot of things on the 13th. On September 13, 1993, the
brokered Israeli-PLO peace accord was signed. He waited 14 days, until
September 13, 1994 to sign the Crime Bill. On June 13, 1995, he stated
he'd veto the national debt authorization ceiling. On November 13, he
did veto it. On January 13, 1996, he made a speech to Bosnia.

"Amos 3:7 says that God doesn't do anything without first revealing His
secrets to His servants the prophets. God is giving His people warnings.
There are people who go to prophecy conferences to see when the rapture
is going to take place and listen to all the peaceful prophets
prophesying good news and glad tidings. But if we'll listen to God, He
is warning us of the times that are coming. We need to prepare.

"There will be an interim of probably just days from the time they
launch the RED List, to the declaration of martial law when they'll
start coming after those on the BLUE List. It'll work the same way it
did with the Nazis who had a list of people to pick up, on June 30,
1934, before they declared their 'mobilization.'

"It's the same blueprint being used because it's the same spirit leading
the Fourth Reich as led the Third Reich. In Germany, they used trains,
here it will be helicopters and 747s.

"When Hitler was villainizing the Jews, he hired thugs and dressed them
in black uniforms (our whole country is not going to black uniforms). He
was building concentration camps and setting up a transport system. In
this country, they're now in the process of villainizing Christians,
Patriots, Constitutionalists, and outspoken talk-show hosts, etc.

"Who will be doing the actual picking up? Foreign 'cops' (United Nations
Internal Security Forces). Over 30 foreign military bases under the
United Nations flag are already set up in the US., all with the approval
of special appointees in high Federal positions. These bases are already
manned with over ONE MILLION troops from Russia, Poland, Germany,
Belgium, Turkey, Great Britain, Nicaragua, and Asian countries.

"Why are they here? Because unlike our own troops many of which along
with the Guard and Reserve of 24 states are being deployed overseas will
have no qualms about firing on U.S. citizens when the time comes.

"There are more than 2,000 Russian tanks, military trucks and chemical
warfare vehicles just outside Gulfport, Mississippi. They began arriving
in January of 1994.

"There are 180 foreign troops at Fort Reilly which was confirmed to me
by a Brigadier General. There are 300 who came into the Birmingham,
Alabama airport on a big white Russian cargo plane on December 13, 1995.

"As of 1995, there were 10,000 plus foreign troops at Fort Chafee,
Arkansas reportedly making preparations for 20,000 'detainees.'

"Also in 1995 at Fort Polk, Louisiana (U.S. Army Post), Russian and
Eastern European troops were deployed under the U.N. flag. [When
questioned about this, the legislative aide of the congressman who
resides over Fort Polk, stated, "Yes, they were there undertaking broad,
joint training exercises. And, yes, the U.N. flag was flying. There may
still be some there today."]

"At the Aberdeen Proving Grounds, there are many Russian tanks. One of
the NCOs told his father that he'd been maintaining them.

"This is going on all over the country. German troops are known to be at
Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base
in Ohio, and Fort Hood, Texas. Chinese troops are known to be at the
Long Beach Naval Station in California.

"There's not going to be some future event when the invading troops are
going to show up. They're already here. When martial law is implemented,
these foreign U.N. troops will be policing our country, carrying out the
plans of the New World Order.

"God is warning His people. There isn't much time before these events
begin to take place. God's people need to prepare themselves in every
way possible. It's not a time for fear. It's a time for prayer,
preparation and sharing our faith with a lost world.

"We must always remember Ephesians 6:12 which states: 'For we wrestle
not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,
against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual
wickedness in high places.'"

From American Patriot Friends Network

9-22-98

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