Did Mr. provocative run away from r.r to another board? I wanted to
compare temps from my morning run to see if wussy boy got his pink ass
out the door. It was about +4 this morning but only a little wind.
Watched the sun come up - not much heat from Mr. Sol but beautiful
refection off the snow. It think winter has arrived.

-DougF

From:	lanceandrew at aol.com
Subject:	Re: Where is my buddy Lance
Date:	18 Jan 2005 16:15:41 -0800

......give me a friggen break. i got up this morning...put on all the
gear...headed out...1/2 mile into my run........it was so damn
cold......shit...fuck this, that's exactly what I said to myself. i
turned my black ass around and got back in my bed! LOL! I'm not
BS'ing...that's exactly what I did. I then wondered why I live on the
East Coast?

in nyc's central park it's now 12 degrees with 20 mph winds = -3 or so
windchill. since this morning....I've warmed up a bit....and i'm
gonna give it another shot....just a 4 miler. i gotta a race on
saturday....a 7 miler....but honestly...i feel when it comes to winter
outdoor racing...everyone gets a "mulligan". other than people like
donovan....etc...hardcore guys, etc...who the hell can properly train
in this weather outside? And I have all the gore-tex crap! It's not
like it's "nice" and a joy...

i know what my problem is. i have too many options. the way my mind
works, i think of all the other things i could be doing....other than
putting in those miles in frigid weather. If i did not have shit else
to do?...sure I'd suffer through it. But I have too many problems to
solve, etc..in RL. however.... there's a great indoor facility in
manhattan called "chelsea piers"...i might join just to get in those
miles for a spring Thon. it's a huge sports complex. in fact i was
asked to join their new racing team that's part of the new york road
runners. (not gonna do it since i learned i would be their second
best runner!...good grief they're in trouble! LOL! and i would never
join a club that would have me as a member!)

i don't know how long i can hang over at coolrunning.com. All the good
manners and conforming will drive you nuts! That place is like the
Oprah Show gets running shoes. Sometimes I see some of the threads and
say, "What the F am I doing here?" . Those people over at CoolRunning
are damn near a cult. Thread topics like, "What do you think of
non-runners"? " Who bought their own ChampionChip", etc. and so
forth.

I've never seen so many god damn below average to mediorce at best
people/runners so impressed with themselves in all my life! They talk
like their knowledged masters...meanwhile they're wearing Adidas A3 &
Nike Shox running shoes! All they do is slap each other on the back
and talk about how great they are to be runners. If you go over
there...you gotta stay in the "track" and "competitive" sections. The
rest will drive you nuts. Unless you wanna pick up chicks. That is
one plus about the "Oprah" factor going on over there....lots of chicks
are over at coolrunning. Now what they look like is another story....

But people like Ignoramus can go over to coolrunning and in certain
groups achieve god-like status. Those people over at cool
running....they would not last ONE DAY with rec.running trolls. No
way. Rec.running is the wild west....untamed, anything goes.
Coolrunning?.....well...a rec.running troll over a CoolRunning would be
like a Tsunami...and we know that ain't pretty.

I can't start any shit over there Doug....they will slap me down in 2
seconds. I can't stir shit, I can't question shit, I can't rip on
anything. Andy Haas post some good stuff over there...but i'm sure he
hangs in the right groups. That's the key over there.

But yes...the cold weather is kicking my ass. I've got 2 more races
this month and to be honest...I really don't care what happens in them.
It's Mulligan Season. Let me get 35 mpw in in Jan. & Feb and I'll be
happy. Come March I can kick it up to 60-70 mpw for Boston. And
though I did 9 milers on Sat & Sun...I'll be happy getting two 4 milers
in a day or something like that. Let me go and give it a whirl and
see if I can get miles in tonight. It's nice to know you miss me, you
really really miss me. And did you all give appropriate props on MLK
day here in the U.S.? (trolls don't answer...please...I wanna like
you.....not kick your ass)....

From:	Doug Freese
Subject:	Re: Where is my buddy Lance
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:23:39 GMT

wrote in message
news:1106093741.136943.237130@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> .....give me a friggen break. i got up this morning...put on all the
> gear...headed out...1/2 mile into my run........it was so damn
> cold......shit...fuck this, that's exactly what I said to myself. i
> turned my black ass around and got back in my bed! LOL! I'm not
> BS'ing...that's exactly what I did. I then wondered why I live on
> the
> East Coast?

Now that's the guy I missed! I had to cover my keyboard to keep the
tears out. FWIW I got my 9 mile run in this morning.

If you were still cold after running for a 1/2 mile then you were
underdressed and I don't blame you for heading back to the barn. Add
another layer and unless you running for a few hours don't worry if
you're over-dressed

> i don't know how long i can hang over at coolrunning.com. All the
> good
> manners and conforming will drive you nuts!

Damn civility, who the hell can stand that? ;)

-Doug, Your idol

From:	Tony
Subject:	Re: Where is my buddy Lance
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:37:33 GMT

lanceandrew@aol.com wrote in message
<1106093741.136943.237130@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>...
>.....give me a friggen break. i got up this morning...put on all the
>gear...headed out...1/2 mile into my run........it was so damn
>cold......shit...fuck this, that's exactly what I said to myself. i
>turned my black ass around and got back in my bed! LOL! I'm not
>BS'ing...that's exactly what I did. I then wondered why I live on the
>East Coast?

Just be glad you don't live in Labrador City, Newfoundland. It's the
coldest place on the east coast I could find. It's -16 there at 10am,
was -26 there last night, and the *average* high/low in January there is
2/-18, which is colder than Nome or Fairbanks Alaska. The only colder place
I could find in my random search (I typically do this during cold snaps) was
Barrow Alaska averaging -10/-22 in Feburary. Of course central Siberia is
far colder than anyplace in Canada or Alaska. The south pole isn't fair to
mention because it's down under...

>in nyc's central park it's now 12 degrees with 20 mph winds = -3 or so
>windchill. since this morning....I've warmed up a bit....and i'm
>gonna give it another shot....just a 4 miler. i gotta a race on
>saturday....a 7 miler....but honestly...i feel when it comes to winter
>outdoor racing...everyone gets a "mulligan". other than people like
>donovan....etc...hardcore guys, etc...who the hell can properly train
>in this weather outside? And I have all the gore-tex crap! It's not
>like it's "nice" and a joy...

There's a key phrase in there 'warmed up'. Warm up inside, and the you
defeat the shock value of the cold. I happen to have a treadmill in my
basement, so a 10 minute walk on that warms up sufficiently to make last
nights sub 10f run feel fine.

>i know what my problem is. i have too many options. the way my mind
>works, i think of all the other things i could be doing....other than
>putting in those miles in frigid weather. If i did not have shit else
>to do?...sure I'd suffer through it. But I have too many problems to
>solve, etc..in RL. however.... there's a great indoor facility in
>manhattan called "chelsea piers"...i might join just to get in those
>miles for a spring Thon. it's a huge sports complex. in fact i was
>asked to join their new racing team that's part of the new york road
>runners. (not gonna do it since i learned i would be their second
>best runner!...good grief they're in trouble! LOL! and i would never
>join a club that would have me as a member!)
>
>i don't know how long i can hang over at coolrunning.com. All the good
>manners and conforming will drive you nuts! That place is like the
>Oprah Show gets running shoes. Sometimes I see some of the threads and
>say, "What the F am I doing here?" . Those people over at CoolRunning
>are damn near a cult. Thread topics like, "What do you think of
>non-runners"? " Who bought their own ChampionChip", etc. and so
>forth.

Good heads up - the Oprah reference about says it all. I don't know many
real guys who can stand Oprah for more than a few seconds. She and the
politically-correct-feminized media/entertainment culture has pussified and
emasculated unsuspecting men in their sphere of reach from the time they
were little boys, far too early to even give them a chance... pity. Show's
like Oprah and in the city and the global outreach of such shows is
reaming the whole planet with such unimportant refined sensitive bullshit
that the whole human race is doomed. lol perhaps overstated just a bit but
it's just gone too far...

-Tony

>I've never seen so many god damn below average to mediorce at best
>people/runners so impressed with themselves in all my life! They talk
>like their knowledged masters...meanwhile they're wearing Adidas A3 &
>Nike Shox running shoes! All they do is slap each other on the back
>and talk about how great they are to be runners. If you go over
>there...you gotta stay in the "track" and "competitive" sections. The
>rest will drive you nuts. Unless you wanna pick up chicks. That is
>one plus about the "Oprah" factor going on over there....lots of chicks
>are over at coolrunning. Now what they look like is another story....
>
>But people like Ignoramus can go over to coolrunning and in certain
>groups achieve god-like status. Those people over at cool
>running....they would not last ONE DAY with rec.running trolls. No
>way. Rec.running is the wild west....untamed, anything goes.
>Coolrunning?.....well...a rec.running troll over a CoolRunning would be
>like a Tsunami...and we know that ain't pretty.
>
>I can't start any shit over there Doug....they will slap me down in 2
>seconds. I can't stir shit, I can't question shit, I can't rip on
>anything. Andy Haas post some good stuff over there...but i'm sure he
>hangs in the right groups. That's the key over there.
>
>But yes...the cold weather is kicking my ass. I've got 2 more races
>this month and to be honest...I really don't care what happens in them.
>It's Mulligan Season. Let me get 35 mpw in in Jan. & Feb and I'll be
>happy. Come March I can kick it up to 60-70 mpw for Boston. And
>though I did 9 milers on Sat & Sun...I'll be happy getting two 4 milers
>in a day or something like that. Let me go and give it a whirl and
>see if I can get miles in tonight. It's nice to know you miss me, you
>really really miss me. And did you all give appropriate props on MLK
>day here in the U.S.? (trolls don't answer...please...I wanna like
>you.....not kick your ass)....
>

From:	Roger Herzler
Subject:	Re: Where is my buddy Lance
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:21:07 -0800

wrote in message
news:1106093741.136943.237130@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> .....give me a friggen break. i got up this morning...put on all the
> gear...headed out...1/2 mile into my run........it was so damn
> cold......shit...fuck this, that's exactly what I said to myself. i
> turned my black ass around and got back in my bed! LOL! I'm not
> BS'ing...that's exactly what I did. I then wondered why I live on the
> East Coast?

Would it be a "troll" to mention that it was another beautiful day on the
West Coast? 70's F.

Don't hate me because it's warm here.

:o)
Roger
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
R o g e r H e r z l e r <><
"Fear is temporary, regret is forever"

From:	Dan Stumpus
Subject:	Re: Where is my buddy Lance
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 01:36:49 GMT

"Roger Herzler" wrote

> Would it be a "troll" to mention that it was another beautiful day on the
> West Coast? 70's F.
>
> Don't hate me because it's warm here.

Yeah, here in LA, another gorgeous day, and nothin' but more of the same
down the pike. My dogs were lying in the sun most of the day.

At the highest point on my run this morning I could see the snow-covered Mt.
Baldy clear as a bell 60+ miles to the east, and Catalina Island 26 miles
offshore.

I am *so* glad my Granddad came here from Boston in 1939! Yeah, I'd
probably be whining like Lance if I was in FreezerLand, too.

-- Dan

From:	Tom Phillips
Subject:	Re: Where is my buddy Lance
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:24:30 -0700

Dan Stumpus wrote:
>
> "Roger Herzler" wrote
>
> > Would it be a "troll" to mention that it was another beautiful day on the
> > West Coast? 70's F.
> >
> > Don't hate me because it's warm here.
>
> Yeah, here in LA, another gorgeous day, and nothin' but more of the same
> down the pike. My dogs were lying in the sun most of the day.
>
> At the highest point on my run this morning I could see the snow-covered Mt.
> Baldy clear as a bell 60+ miles to the east, and Catalina Island 26 miles
> offshore.

hmm..sounds quite atypical for LA, where it's usually
a forecast of either rain and smog or sun and smog with
a 20% chance of (pick one): brush fire, mudslide, or
earthquake. Seriously, you guys in LA have such boring
weather ;^)

Vis-a-vis, one never appreciates the warm unless you also
have cold. After temps of 6F and below last week, we're
getting our usual January thaw here in the rockies: 60
today; 4am low was a balmy 35F. Visibility typically 200
miles :) On occassion I've seen it hit 70 before plunging
back to single and minus digits in early Feb. But with
all the alternating cold/warm/snow/mud and melt, there's
no need to crosstrain...

From:	Doug Freese
Subject:	Re: Where is my buddy Lance
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:51:06 GMT

"Roger Herzler" wrote in message
news:41eda80f$1_4@alt.athenanews.com...
> Would it be a "troll" to mention that it was another beautiful day on
> the West Coast? 70's F.
>
> Don't hate me because it's warm here.

I envy your weather but not your mudslides. Don't forget, Jean Dixon the
"well known" seer, also predicted that your state would wash into the
ocean.

-DF

From:	Tom Phillips
Subject:	Re: Where is my buddy Lance
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:26:39 -0700

Doug Freese wrote:
>
> "Roger Herzler" wrote in message
> news:41eda80f$1_4@alt.athenanews.com...
> > Would it be a "troll" to mention that it was another beautiful day on
> > the West Coast? 70's F.
> >
> > Don't hate me because it's warm here.
>
> I envy your weather but not your mudslides. Don't forget, Jean Dixon the
> "well known" seer, also predicted that your state would wash into the
> ocean.
>
> -DF

Seems to me the pacific plate is the underlying cause
of most CA woes (that and the eternal ballot proposition...)
So while you may get a few bothersome quakes and volcanoes,
it's actually pushing the state well above sea level :)

....with respect (which ain't much) to the queen of
prophetic hucksters :)

From:	Dan Stumpus
Subject:	Re: Where is my buddy Lance
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:52:25 GMT

"Doug Freese" wrote

> I envy your weather but not your mudslides.

Fortunately, I've always abided by this rule: Never live downhill from a
clay mountain, or anywhere near a cliff...(or even anywhere near a cliff
bar, which is even more lethal).

> Don't forget, Jean Dixon the "well known" seer, also predicted that your
> state would wash into the ocean.

You and I both will be worm kibble (or Gator-barf) long before that happens!

From:	TheLongestYard
Subject:	Re: Where is my buddy Lance
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:07:56 -0500

"Dan Stumpus" wrote in message
news:dhDHd.457$YD5.77@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
> "Doug Freese" wrote
>
>> I envy your weather but not your mudslides.
>
> Fortunately, I've always abided by this rule: Never live downhill from a
> clay mountain, or anywhere near a cliff...(or even anywhere near a cliff
> bar, which is even more lethal).
>
>> Don't forget, Jean Dixon the "well known" seer, also predicted that your
>> state would wash into the ocean.
>
> You and I both will be worm kibble (or Gator-barf) long before that
> happens!

....and that was the last post we ever received from Dan just before
Kahleeforneeya broke off and fell into the ocean...

>
>
>
>

From:	Donovan Rebbechi
Subject:	Re: Where is my buddy Lance
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 04:30:58 +0000 (UTC)

On 2005-01-19, lanceandrew@aol.com wrote:

> in nyc's central park it's now 12 degrees with 20 mph winds = -3 or so
> windchill.

Was out there with Bob's group running up and down Cat Hill tonight. And yes,
Bob himself was also out there. Late 50s, asthmatic, and he's still out there.
What's your excuse ? Wimp. Get your ass out of the bed and into the park.

> i know what my problem is. i have too many options. the way my mind

See, that's the problem -- you've got to stop seeing them as options. Just get
the hell outside and run. Don't ask yourself whether you'll do your run or
not. The moment you start the "decision making process" (isn't the very notion
so Oprah-like ?), you're screwed already.

> miles for a spring Thon. it's a huge sports complex. in fact i was
> asked to join their new racing team that's part of the new york road
> runners. (not gonna do it since i learned i would be their second
> best runner!...good grief they're in trouble! LOL! and i would never

For a runner around your level of ability, IMO the only serious choices are
GNY and CPTC. Both of these clubs have several runners at about your ability
level, but also several runners who are quite a bit faster (our top 40+ guys
are about as fast as me). I recommend GNY, but I'm biased.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

From:	FabulustRunner
Subject:	Re: Where is my buddy Lance
Date:	19 Jan 2005 01:38:33 GMT

>..give me a friggen break. i got up this morning...put on all the
>gear...headed out...1/2 mile into my run........it was so damn
>cold......shit...fuck this, that's exactly what I said to myself. i
>turned my black ass around and got back in my bed!

W-U-S-S!

From:	Anthony
Subject:	Re: Where is my buddy Lance
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:51:59 +0200

wrote in message
news:1106093741.136943.237130@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> But yes...the cold weather is kicking my ass. I've got 2 more races
> this month and to be honest...I really don't care what happens in them.
> It's Mulligan Season. Let me get 35 mpw in in Jan. & Feb and I'll be
> happy. Come March I can kick it up to 60-70 mpw for Boston. And
> though I did 9 milers on Sat & Sun...I'll be happy getting two 4 milers
> in a day or something like that. Let me go and give it a whirl and
> see if I can get miles in tonight. It's nice to know you miss me, you
> really really miss me. And did you all give appropriate props on MLK
> day here in the U.S.? (trolls don't answer...please...I wanna like
> you.....not kick your ass)....
>
Hey Lance - I sympathise with your cold-weather blues. Over here it's
freezing when it's
3C (37F)...

On the other hand - if you want to run real well come Boston time, then
ramping up to
60-70 miles in March is probably too little too late.

Now is the key time to be ramping up the mileage. Just ask Phil :-)

Anthony. (running a marathon on the other side of the pond the day before
Boston).

From:	Ted
Subject:	Re: Where is my buddy Lance
Date:	18 Jan 2005 20:05:15 -0800

>Let me get 35 mpw in in Jan. & Feb and I'll be
happy. Come March I can kick it up to 60-70 mpw for Boston.>
I challenge you wussie. I'll beat your time.

From:	Parker Race
Subject:	Re: Where is my buddy Lance
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:08:49 GMT

"Doug Freese" wrote in message
news:_AgHd.51358$kq2.35654@twister.nyc.rr.com...
> Did Mr. provocative run away from r.r to another board? I wanted to
> compare temps from my morning run to see if wussy boy got his pink ass out
> the door. It was about +4 this morning but only a little wind. Watched the
> sun come up - not much heat from Mr. Sol but beautiful refection off the
> snow. It think winter has arrived.
>
> -DougF
>

+4 that seems a little high, did you get a late start?
I didn't have the pleasure as I had run 3 days in a row and decided I
shouldn't press my luck with my feet.
I had the pleasure of about 9k on a treadmill.

From:	Ted
Subject:	Re: Where is my buddy Lance
Date:	18 Jan 2005 20:06:43 -0800

>Yeah, here in LA, another gorgeous day, and nothin' but more of the
same
down the pike.>

Yeah, until the 9.5 plunges you into the ocean.

From:	Parker Race
Subject:	Re: Where is my buddy Lance
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:04:53 GMT

"Doug Freese" wrote in message
news:_AgHd.51358$kq2.35654@twister.nyc.rr.com...
> Did Mr. provocative run away from r.r to another board? I wanted to
> compare temps from my morning run to see if wussy boy got his pink ass out
> the door. It was about +4 this morning but only a little wind. Watched the
> sun come up - not much heat from Mr. Sol but beautiful refection off the
> snow. It think winter has arrived.
>
> -DougF
>

Damn, I can't run at lunch today so I'm out the door in a few minutes.
Bad news - the current temperature -2F
Good news - no windchill