Hi I have a question about skydiving, and I think your organization would be
the one to ask.

Once I heard on TV that skydivers can actually breath through the pores in
their skin since they are falling so fast. I also heard that skydiver can't
skydive in the rain because they might drown from the water. Now I did hear
this on TV, and it wasn't Comedy Central. LOL.

The people at work say this is not true. I have searched on the internet but
have not found the information to back up this claim.

Is what I heard true?

Thanks for your help.

From:	Mike Spurgeon
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Mon, 03 Jan 2005 05:13:27 GMT

song writer wrote:
> Hi I have a question about skydiving, and I think your
organization would be
> the one to ask.
>
> Once I heard on TV that skydivers can actually breath through
the pores in
> their skin since they are falling so fast. I also heard that
skydiver can't
> skydive in the rain because they might drown from the water.
Now I did hear
> this on TV, and it wasn't Comedy Central. LOL.
>
> The people at work say this is not true. I have searched on
the internet but
> have not found the information to back up this claim.

There is no info to back up this claim. It started as somewhat
of a joke in the rec.skydiving faq, since the media generally
doesn't know what they are talking about when it comes to skydiving.

You just reinforced that fact.

Try this... get in a vehicle that both has a sun roof, and
that's capable of traveling 120mph. While it's going that fast,
stick your upper torso out of the sun roof. Stop breathing...

From:	Peanut4040
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	05 Jan 2005 03:40:33 GMT

>
>Try this... get in a vehicle that both has a sun roof, and
>that's capable of traveling 120mph. While it's going that fast,
>stick your upper torso out of the sun roof. Stop breathing...

Can a couple of skydiver buddies come with you on this trip? We enjoy it,, but
most of us can't afford the gas money... However,, the good side,, WE BUY BEER

From:	Ofiddle
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	18 Jan 2005 16:20:39 GMT

>While it's going that fast,
>>stick your upper torso out of the sun roof. Stop breathing...
>
>Can a couple of skydiver buddies come with you on this trip? We enjoy it,,
>but
>most of us can't afford the gas money... However,, the good side,, WE BUY
>BEER

Just shows that most skydivers have their priorities set in the right place.
Sky, beer, and whatever else may be affordable after those....

From:	Tom B
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:59:51 GMT

> >While it's going that fast,
>>>stick your upper torso out of the sun roof. Stop breathing...

Uh... I think a British Airways pilot already tried that at 400 kts. It
sounded pretty ugly.

Tom B

From:	Ofiddle
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	18 Jan 2005 23:25:40 GMT

>> >While it's going that fast,
>>>>stick your upper torso out of the sun roof. Stop breathing...
>
>Uh... I think a British Airways pilot already tried that at 400 kts. It
>sounded pretty ugly.
>
>Tom B

Glad I wasn't on THAT cleanup call

From:	TomBirdwell
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	20 Jan 2005 05:48:03 GMT

fiddle wrote:

>>> >While it's going that fast,
>>>>>stick your upper torso out of the sun roof. Stop breathing...
>>
>>Uh... I think a British Airways pilot already tried that at 400 kts. It
>>sounded pretty ugly.
>>
>>Tom B
>
>Glad I wasn't on THAT cleanup call

Yes, the video was pretty ugly, of the plane afterwards I mean. Windshield
blows right off the plane at 25K or so. This is quickly followed microseconds
later by the pilot going right out behind it. Strong learning lesson - use the
safety belts/straps.

The good news is that for whatever reason, as his torso was moving out the
windshield, his feet caught on the controls and he didn't go all the way out.
The flight engineer sees it happen and jumps up to grab the pilot by his
ankles. This is a fairly brave fellow, disconnecting his seat belt and racing
forward to grab the pilot, even as the plane's pressurized cabin air was raging
out that window. The pilot's feet had the engine controls firewalled, as well
as having the nose pushed hard over. Thus the airspeed was screaming, leaving
him like a penant hung out a sun roof. Though it sucked for him outside, this
was the situation the copilot needed, getting the aircraft down to breathable
altitude. They got another couple of people in the cabin to move him off the
controls and keep him from going out, but there was no way to get him back in.
They were a fair distance from a runway, and his situation was dire. After some
time they were sure he was dead. The prime/only reason they didn't just let go
was that after the airspeed slowed some his body had shfited from the top of
the cabin to the side. This put in right in front of the engines and control
surfaces.his body posit. Somehow they kept grips on him till after landing.
Unbeliveably, this guy was not dead, just frozen. He lived and returned to
flying duty in 6 months.

Oh there was that other one too. The partial ejection of a Navy guy from an A6
I believe. There was nobody to hold him, and he had the canopy sharp edges
around his torso as he whipped around in the air, half in, half out, all the
way back to the boat and through a carrier landing. He lived as well.

Tom B

From:	DZSCUBIE at AOL.COM
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	6 Jan 2005 10:33:27 -0800

Peanut4040 wrote:
> >
> >Try this... get in a vehicle that both has a sun roof, and
> >that's capable of traveling 120mph. While it's going that fast,
> >stick your upper torso out of the sun roof. Stop breathing...
>
> Can a couple of skydiver buddies come with you on this trip? We
enjoy it,, but
> most of us can't afford the gas money... However,, the good side,,
WE BUY BEER

Hey Nutt.... would that count as a three way??/ how many points can
you turn in a sun roof??? Would the hand on the wheel count as a
grip???

Sean
aka "The Fed"

From:	Ofiddle
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	22 Jan 2005 00:29:19 GMT

>Hey Nutt.... would that count as a three way??/ how many points can
>you turn in a sun roof??? Would the hand on the wheel count as a
>grip???
>
>Sean
>aka "The Fed"

Yea, but I want to see everybody turn a 360 degree rotation, hold for 5 secs
and turn back....

From:	Peanut4040
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	22 Jan 2005 23:51:46 GMT

>
>Yea, but I want to see everybody turn a 360 degree rotation, hold for 5 secs
>and turn back....

i don't know about the rest of yall, but i'm seeing the "Bud Lite refereee"
popping up a penalty point here somewhere- i'm thinking "back seat in motion"

From:	ynotssor
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:17:41 -0800

"Ofiddle" wrote in message
news:20050121192919.04512.00000124@mb-m12.aol.com

>> Hey Nutt.... would that count as a three way??/ how many points can
>> you turn in a sun roof??? Would the hand on the wheel count as a
>> grip???
>
> Yea, but I want to see everybody turn a 360 degree rotation, hold for
> 5 secs and turn back....

A 360 degree rotation about which axis?

tony

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From:	Peanut4040
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	22 Jan 2005 23:52:45 GMT

>A 360 degree rotation about which axis?
>
>
> tony

"Y" axis,,, there are no freak flyers in sunroof flying

From:	ynotssor
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:25:45 -0800

"Peanut4040" wrote in message
news:20050122185245.12762.00000219@mb-m11.aol.com

>> A 360 degree rotation about which axis?
>
> "Y" axis,,, there are no freak flyers in sunroof flying

Y is that, do you sup-hose?

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From:	Ofiddle
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	22 Jan 2005 16:18:15 GMT

>> Yea, but I want to see everybody turn a 360 degree rotation, hold for
>> 5 secs and turn back....
>
>A 360 degree rotation about which axis?
>
>
> tony

ya know, I bet it would be irrelevant, but I'll let you choose Tony!

From:	ynotssor
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:37:17 -0800

"Ofiddle" wrote in message
news:20050122111815.16795.00000197@mb-m16.aol.com

>>>> Try this... get in a vehicle that both has a sun roof, and
>>>> that's capable of traveling 120mph. While it's going that fast,
>>>> stick your upper torso out of the sun roof. Stop breathing...
>>>
>>> Yea, but I want to see everybody turn a 360 degree rotation, hold
>>> for 5 secs and turn back....
>>
>> A 360 degree rotation about which axis?
>
> ya know, I bet it would be irrelevant, but I'll let you choose Tony!

OK, the car that's going 120 mph is on an ice-covered road. All axes then!

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From:	Ofiddle
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	22 Jan 2005 19:13:39 GMT

>>> A 360 degree rotation about which axis?
>>
>> ya know, I bet it would be irrelevant, but I'll let you choose Tony!
>
>OK, the car that's going 120 mph is on an ice-covered road. All axes then!

that is exactly what has been going on here all morning, I have really enjoyed
the show! Guy turned a HUGE tow truck completely around on the ice in front of
my house today. Tremendous look of surprise on his face!

From:	Peanut4040
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	22 Jan 2005 23:53:51 GMT

>
>OK, the car that's going 120 mph is on an ice-covered road. All axes then!

peanut waves off,,, jumps,, I"mm outta dis 3 way.. too crazy for me

From:	ynotssor
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:26:24 -0800

"Peanut4040" wrote in message
news:20050122185351.12762.00000220@mb-m11.aol.com

>> OK, the car that's going 120 mph is on an ice-covered road. All axes
>> then!
>
> peanut waves off,,, jumps,, I"mm outta dis 3 way.. too crazy for me

You're the smart one ... everybody else spilled their beer.

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From:	Tom B
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 07:32:19 GMT

"ynotssor" wrote in message
news:35dntnF4is2jfU1@individual.net...
> "Ofiddle" wrote in message
> news:20050121192919.04512.00000124@mb-m12.aol.com
>
>>> Hey Nutt.... would that count as a three way??/ how many points can
>>> you turn in a sun roof??? Would the hand on the wheel count as a
>>> grip???
>>
>> Yea, but I want to see everybody turn a 360 degree rotation, hold for
>> 5 secs and turn back....
>
> A 360 degree rotation about which axis?
>

Well, I have done 360's in two of them. But the stopping right at 360 is the
hard part.

From:	ynotssor
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:42:18 -0800

"Tom B" wrote in message
news:7knId.48018$re1.37810@fe2.columbus.rr.com

>>> Yea, but I want to see everybody turn a 360 degree rotation, hold
>>> for 5 secs and turn back....
>>
>> A 360 degree rotation about which axis?
>
> Well, I have done 360's in two of them. But the stopping right at 360
> is the hard part.

I've stroven (look at me make up a word!) for at least 4 of them, and
totally agree that the on-heading aspect is the toughest part.

Unless you want to include the thought process, of course.

tony

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From:	ynotssor
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:33:44 -0800

"Mike Spurgeon" wrote in message
news:41D8D477.8080905@spurgeon.net

> Try this... get in a vehicle that both has a sun roof, and
> that's capable of traveling 120mph. While it's going that fast,
> stick your upper torso out of the sun roof. Stop breathing...

That's *very* bad advice. They could lose control of the vehicle and suffer
a bad accident.

tony

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From:	Tom B
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Mon, 03 Jan 2005 07:05:13 GMT

"ynotssor" wrote in message
news:33s3puF413032U1@individual.net...
> "Mike Spurgeon" wrote in message
> news:41D8D477.8080905@spurgeon.net
>
>> Try this... get in a vehicle that both has a sun roof, and
>> that's capable of traveling 120mph. While it's going that fast,
>> stick your upper torso out of the sun roof. Stop breathing...
>
> That's *very* bad advice. They could lose control of the vehicle and
> suffer
> a bad accident.
>
> tony

Is that more or less dangerous than getting a hummer while in a moving
vehicle?

From:	Cloud buster
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	03 Jan 2005 14:11:24 GMT

>Is that more or less dangerous than getting a hummer while in a moving
>vehicle?

I thought a hummer was/is a vehicle. ???

From:	Peanut4040
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	05 Jan 2005 03:43:04 GMT

>
>Is that more or less dangerous than getting a hummer while in a moving
>vehicle?
>

aggggggg-- dar you go again,,,

BRINGING into a subject line... spit sputter,,, spatttt--

jeese,, i'd love to get ONE hummer out of my wife,,,, where de helll did
girlfrined 101 go?

From:	Rev Jim
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Fri, 7 Jan 2005 16:09:47 -0600

"Peanut4040" wrote
> >
> >Is that more or less dangerous than getting a hummer while in a moving
> >vehicle?
> >
>
> aggggggg-- dar you go again,,,
>
> BRINGING into a subject line... spit sputter,,, spatttt--
>
> jeese,, i'd love to get ONE hummer out of my wife,,,, where de helll did
> girlfrined 101 go?

She's waiting for August . . .

"...and it only cost me a blowjob!"

heh

Rev Jim

From:	David Ferree
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	3 Jan 2005 01:45:14 -0600

On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 07:05:13 GMT, "Tom B" wrote:

>
>"ynotssor" wrote in message
>news:33s3puF413032U1@individual.net...
>> "Mike Spurgeon" wrote in message
>> news:41D8D477.8080905@spurgeon.net
>>
>>> Try this... get in a vehicle that both has a sun roof, and
>>> that's capable of traveling 120mph. While it's going that fast,
>>> stick your upper torso out of the sun roof. Stop breathing...
>>
>> That's *very* bad advice. They could lose control of the vehicle and
>> suffer
>> a bad accident.
>>
>> tony
>
>Is that more or less dangerous than getting a hummer while in a moving
>vehicle?
>

More, but less dangerous than moving a vehicle while in a hummer.

From:	ynotssor
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Sun, 2 Jan 2005 20:52:48 -0800

"song writer" wrote in message
news:BDFE23BB.25BD6%iwritesongs@verizon.net

> Hi I have a question about skydiving, and I think your organization
> would be the one to ask.
>
> Once I heard on TV that skydivers can actually breath through the
> pores in their skin since they are falling so fast. I also heard that
> skydiver can't skydive in the rain because they might drown from the
> water. Now I did hear this on TV, and it wasn't Comedy Central. LOL.
>
> The people at work say this is not true. I have searched on the
> internet but have not found the information to back up this claim.
>
> Is what I heard true?

Yes, but it needs some qualification. You apparently heard only part of the
show, or else you forgot some of the details.

At the speeds of normal freefall (about 115 to 170 mph, depending on your
body flight configuration) the air pressure against the skin is great enough
that skydivers absorb oxygen through their pores. This such an exhilirating
sensation that many skydivers will flap their cheeks in freefall, in order
to increase the surface area and absorb even more O2.

Skydiving in the rain presents a special set of challenges, since one is
hitting the pointy end of the drops. It just plain hurts, but worse than
that, the pointy end of the drops can plug up the pores in the skin so that
one can't absorb sufficient oxygen. Thus, one doesn't drown; one actually
suffocates under such conditions.

Many skydivers in recent years have taken to using high-tech methods to
insure an adequate supply of oxygen under any and all climatic conditions.
They have taken to wearing full-body jumpsuits and gloves, which prevent the
pointy end of the drops from plugging the pores of the skin.

The real "secret weapon" though has been the advent of the full-face helmet
with face-shield. This unit is donned in the aircraft just before exit, and
traps the available O2 so that the skydiver isn't dependent on the ambient
air during freefall. Since we only use a small portion of the oxygen that we
breathe, the skydiver is able to find sufficient O2 in the air that is
exhaled into the sealed helmet (a re-breather, if you will) so that an
entirely aqdequate supply is available during the entire descent.

Skydivers have always been known for "pushing the envelope" though, and the
same is true here. Some people have taken to wearing "wing suits" which slow
down their rate of freefall, in order to see just how long the oxygen
trapped in a full-face helmet can actually last. Not only that, but the
wingsuits are made from a type of nylon that doesn't let much of the
freefall air pressure get through, starving themselves of oxygen even
further, and for much longer periods of time, as a freefall can last almost
twice as long under such conditions.

I've noticed in many parts of the world where people jump wingsuits, that
after they land and remove their helmets, I can't even understand what the
hell they're saying.

It must be some kind of brain damage, so let's be careful out there!

tony

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From:	Gary McGuinness
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:10:50 -0000

Tony you have too much time on your hands.
Are you currently in Prison ???

Gary

"ynotssor" wrote in message
news:33s1d4F427ie9U1@individual.net...
> "song writer" wrote in message
> news:BDFE23BB.25BD6%iwritesongs@verizon.net
>
>> Hi I have a question about skydiving, and I think your organization
>> would be the one to ask.
>>
>> Once I heard on TV that skydivers can actually breath through the
>> pores in their skin since they are falling so fast. I also heard that
>> skydiver can't skydive in the rain because they might drown from the
>> water. Now I did hear this on TV, and it wasn't Comedy Central. LOL.
>>
>> The people at work say this is not true. I have searched on the
>> internet but have not found the information to back up this claim.
>>
>> Is what I heard true?
>
> Yes, but it needs some qualification. You apparently heard only part of
> the
> show, or else you forgot some of the details.
>
> At the speeds of normal freefall (about 115 to 170 mph, depending on your
> body flight configuration) the air pressure against the skin is great
> enough
> that skydivers absorb oxygen through their pores. This such an
> exhilirating
> sensation that many skydivers will flap their cheeks in freefall, in order
> to increase the surface area and absorb even more O2.
>
> Skydiving in the rain presents a special set of challenges, since one is
> hitting the pointy end of the drops. It just plain hurts, but worse than
> that, the pointy end of the drops can plug up the pores in the skin so
> that
> one can't absorb sufficient oxygen. Thus, one doesn't drown; one actually
> suffocates under such conditions.
>
> Many skydivers in recent years have taken to using high-tech methods to
> insure an adequate supply of oxygen under any and all climatic conditions.
> They have taken to wearing full-body jumpsuits and gloves, which prevent
> the
> pointy end of the drops from plugging the pores of the skin.
>
> The real "secret weapon" though has been the advent of the full-face
> helmet
> with face-shield. This unit is donned in the aircraft just before exit,
> and
> traps the available O2 so that the skydiver isn't dependent on the ambient
> air during freefall. Since we only use a small portion of the oxygen that
> we
> breathe, the skydiver is able to find sufficient O2 in the air that is
> exhaled into the sealed helmet (a re-breather, if you will) so that an
> entirely aqdequate supply is available during the entire descent.
>
> Skydivers have always been known for "pushing the envelope" though, and
> the
> same is true here. Some people have taken to wearing "wing suits" which
> slow
> down their rate of freefall, in order to see just how long the oxygen
> trapped in a full-face helmet can actually last. Not only that, but the
> wingsuits are made from a type of nylon that doesn't let much of the
> freefall air pressure get through, starving themselves of oxygen even
> further, and for much longer periods of time, as a freefall can last
> almost
> twice as long under such conditions.
>
> I've noticed in many parts of the world where people jump wingsuits, that
> after they land and remove their helmets, I can't even understand what the
> hell they're saying.
>
> It must be some kind of brain damage, so let's be careful out there!
>
>
> tony
>
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From:	ynotssor
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:42:29 -0800

"Gary McGuinness" wrote in message
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> Tony you have too much time on your hands.
> Are you currently in Prison ???

Still on holiday work-release.

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From:	Ofiddle
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	16 Jan 2005 16:46:57 GMT

>Tony you have too much time on your hands.
>Are you currently in Prison ???
>
>Gary

he is just more thoughtful and provocotive than the rest of us...oh yea, and
prolific. Maybe I'll have a couple more superlatives later....

From:	Tom B
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 04:00:22 GMT

"Ofiddle" wrote in message
news:20050116114657.13629.00000058@mb-m23.aol.com...
> >Tony you have too much time on your hands.
>>Are you currently in Prison ???
>>
>>Gary
>
> he is just more thoughtful and provocative than the rest of us...oh yea,
> and
> prolific. Maybe I'll have a couple more superlaxiatives later....

Why would you two need superlaxatives? All this time I thought it was Snuffy
that desperately needed them. :)

Tom B:

From:	Ofiddle
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	17 Jan 2005 17:33:01 GMT

>Why would you two need superlaxatives? All this time I thought it was Snuffy
>that desperately needed them. :)
>
>Tom B:
>

Straight to the gutter in 3 posts. Is this a new record?

From:	Mike Spurgeon
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:37:19 GMT

Ofiddle wrote:
Tom B wrote:

>>Why would you two need superlaxatives? All this time I thought it was Snuffy
>>that desperately needed them. :)

> Straight to the gutter in 3 posts. Is this a new record?

No.

From:	bigjim
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:54:01 -0800

> > Straight to the gutter in 3 posts. Is this a new record?
>
> No.

Probably, from Mike's perspective, the whole thing crashed and burned 6
posts ago when I hit the send button.

From:	Mike Spurgeon
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 05:06:38 GMT

bigjim wrote:
>>>Straight to the gutter in 3 posts. Is this a new record?
>>
>>No.
>
>
> Probably, from Mike's perspective, the whole thing crashed and burned 6
> posts ago when I hit the send button.

The question was about records, not your post.

And you've done nothing to change mine...

From:	bigjim
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:06:02 -0800

> The question was about records, not your post.
> And you've done nothing to change mine...

Typical Mike S. tactic of attempting to define the parameters of a
discussion after the fact, a sharp but narrow mind.

From:	Mike Spurgeon
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:06:44 GMT

bigjim wrote:
>>The question was about records, not your post.
>>And you've done nothing to change mine...
>
>
> Typical Mike S. tactic of attempting to define the parameters of a
> discussion after the fact, a sharp but narrow mind.

Attempt?

Tell me which part of my two statements isn't true.

From:	bigjim
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:19:17 -0800

> >>The question was about records, not your post.
> >>And you've done nothing to change mine...
> > Typical Mike S. tactic of attempting to define the parameters of a
> > discussion after the fact, a sharp but narrow mind.
> Attempt?
> Tell me which part of my two statements isn't true.

"Straight to the gutter in 3 posts. Is this a new record?'

I am not challenging your truthfulness. I don't understand why you think
that I was. Both of your statements are true. And, you have reinforced my
statement about narrow mindedness with another example. The post in
question ( in quotes above) contained more than a question. My comment was
in response to the first sentence not an answer to the question.

From:	Mike Spurgeon
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 01:33:29 GMT

bigjim wrote:
>>>>The question was about records, not your post.
>>>>And you've done nothing to change mine...
>>>
>>>Typical Mike S. tactic of attempting to define the parameters of a
>>>discussion after the fact, a sharp but narrow mind.
>>
>>Attempt?
>>Tell me which part of my two statements isn't true.
>
>
> "Straight to the gutter in 3 posts. Is this a new record?'
>
> I am not challenging your truthfulness.

I wasn't.

> I don't understand why you think that I was.

There seems to be quite a lot you don't understand. This isn't
exactly rocket science.

> Both of your statements are true. And, you have reinforced my
> statement about narrow mindedness with another example. The post in
> question ( in quotes above) contained more than a question. My comment was
> in response to the first sentence not an answer to the question.

My 'No." was an answer to the question.

Ofiddle asked if Tom's post was a record. I said it wasn't.

Guess what? It wasn't. And I didn't redefine anything...

For a thread that started about breathing in freefall, it went
south long before *any* of your responses.

From:	lugnuts
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:30:40 -0800

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 01:33:29 GMT, Mike Spurgeon
wrote:

> For a thread that started about breathing in freefall, it went
> south long before *any* of your responses.

Seems like it was people having fun, until you showed up. Is ypur
middle name DEATH?

From:	Ofiddle
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	19 Jan 2005 15:41:59 GMT

>> "Straight to the gutter in 3 posts. Is this a new record?'

This was a comment by ME to Tom B, who by the way is a good friend, and (along
with MOST of the other posters on this forum) know that I would be sarcastic,
and just jabbing good fun at them. After all, that is my function here. Don't
ever take anything that I say with anything more than a grain of salt.
btw, I know that most of our threads go south LONG before the third posting....

From:	bigjim
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:09:21 -0800

> For a thread that started about breathing in freefall, it went
> south long before *any* of your responses.

Okay, comments about my lack of understanding set aside, thank you for not
blaming the ruination of the thread on me.

From:	JimBo
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	19 Jan 2005 02:44:10 GMT

>Subject: Re: Question about Skydiving
>From: "bigjim" bigjim@the-beach.net

>
>Okay, comments about my lack of understanding set aside, thank you for not
>blaming the ruination of the thread on me.
>
who can we blame it on ?

Jim D-10154

Man small... why fall ? Skies call... thats all.

From:	Tom B
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:56:49 GMT

"JimBo" wrote in message
news:20050118214410.02008.00000098@mb-m14.aol.com...
> >Subject: Re: Question about Skydiving
>>From: "bigjim" bigjim@the-beach.net
>
>>
>>Okay, comments about my lack of understanding set aside, thank you for
>>not
>>blaming the ruination of the thread on me.
>>
> who can we blame it on ?
>
>
> Jim D-10154

If I accept full and complete responsibility for destroying this thread, the
most important line of communications for all mankind, will they move on?

Tom B

From:	bigjim
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:41:37 -0800

> who can we blame it on ?

Maybe you, now that you are back. Where you been , dude?? I thought you
quit.

From:	ynotssor
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:48:41 -0800

"Ofiddle" quoted and wrote in message
news:20050116114657.13629.00000058@mb-m23.aol.com

>> Tony you have too much time on your hands.
>> Are you currently in Prison ???
>> Gary
>
> he is just more thoughtful and provocotive than the rest of us...oh
> yea, and prolific. Maybe I'll have a couple more superlatives
> later....

Aw, shucks ... thanks, Beth. Is it alright if I quote you in my annual
"Petition for Pardon" letter to the Governor?

--
use hotmail for email replies

From:	Ofiddle
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	17 Jan 2005 17:32:21 GMT

>more thoughtful and provocotive than the rest of us...oh
>> yea, and prolific. Maybe I'll have a couple more superlatives
>> later....
>
>Aw, shucks ... thanks, Beth. Is it alright if I quote you in my annual
>"Petition for Pardon" letter to the Governor?

Sure, and if you want to write to our former Governor, he may be there with
you.......

From:	Tom B
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:12:02 GMT

"Ofiddle" wrote in message
news:20050117123221.08440.00000078@mb-m06.aol.com...
> >more thoughtful and provocotive than the rest of us...oh
>>> yea, and prolific. Maybe I'll have a couple more superlatives
>>> later....
>>
>>Aw, shucks ... thanks, Beth. Is it alright if I quote you in my annual
>>"Petition for Pardon" letter to the Governor?
>
> Sure, and if you want to write to our former Governor, he may be there
> with
> you.......

You know when he let all those guys off the death penalty, I thought it was
his compassion for felons, not that he was a felon.

Tom B

From:	Ofiddle
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	16 Jan 2005 00:46:22 GMT

>I've noticed in many parts of the world where people jump wingsuits, that
>after they land and remove their helmets, I can't even understand what the
>hell they're saying.
>
>It must be some kind of brain damage, so let's be careful out there!

> tony

and if Tony says it, it's TRUE!

From:	ynotssor
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Sat, 15 Jan 2005 19:19:50 -0800

"Ofiddle" wrote in message
news:20050115194622.21851.00000031@mb-m05.aol.com...

> >I've noticed in many parts of the world where people jump wingsuits, that
> >after they land and remove their helmets, I can't even understand what
the
> >hell they're saying.
> >
> >It must be some kind of brain damage, so let's be careful out there!
>
> and if Tony says it, it's TRUE!

It almost sounds like they're speaking a foreign language or something ...

From:	bigjim
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Sun, 2 Jan 2005 23:46:11 -0800

>The people at work say this is not true. >

It is true. The people at work may not be real skydivers. There are a lot
of phonies out there that claim to be skydivers but really are not. Or, they
could be real and not want to share this information with you. A lot of us
shy about this and don't want the people at work thinking we are freaks.

If you suspect the people at work are real skydivers you should never touch
them, because we sometimes build up these really large charges of static
electricity if we freefall through cold dry air. Touch the wrong guy at the
wrong time and, zappo, you are toast.

From:	Ofiddle
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	16 Jan 2005 00:50:02 GMT

>
>If you suspect the people at work are real skydivers you should never touch
>them, because we sometimes build up these really large charges of static
>electricity if we freefall through cold dry air. Touch the wrong guy at the
>wrong time and, zappo, you are toast.
>

>From: "bigjim"

now this is obviously true! Just look at any pictures or video relating to
skydiving, and you will see all kinds of "bad hair" because of this very
phenomenon. The problem with this sport, and the over use of the O2 is that it
creates a 'high' and people actually become addicted. Some are so addicted that
they really don't CARE what their hair looks like, and even COLOR it to
accentuate the fact that they are skydivers. So look for the folks at work with
BLUE spiked hair, they are the REAL skydivers!

From:	Jerry K.
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Sun, 16 Jan 2005 03:02:49 -0600

On 16 Jan 2005 00:50:02 GMT, ofiddle@aol.com (Ofiddle) wrote:

>>
>>If you suspect the people at work are real skydivers you should never touch
>>them, because we sometimes build up these really large charges of static
>>electricity if we freefall through cold dry air. Touch the wrong guy at the
>>wrong time and, zappo, you are toast.
>>
>
>>From: "bigjim"
>
>now this is obviously true! Just look at any pictures or video relating to
>skydiving, and you will see all kinds of "bad hair" because of this very
>phenomenon. The problem with this sport, and the over use of the O2 is that it
>creates a 'high' and people actually become addicted. Some are so addicted that
>they really don't CARE what their hair looks like, and even COLOR it to
>accentuate the fact that they are skydivers. So look for the folks at work with
>BLUE spiked hair, they are the REAL skydivers!

O2 mixed with adrenaline is a heady mix but it ain't just the bleu
hair folk - I mean, how do you know when a skydiver is at a party?
Anyone?

....bsrp
....jlk

From:	bigjim
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Sun, 16 Jan 2005 12:46:08 -0800

< I mean, how do you know when a skydiver is at a party?
Anyone?>

The skydiver is the one with no date??

From:	Ofiddle
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	16 Jan 2005 16:45:29 GMT

>Subject: Re: Question about Skydiving
>From: Jerry K. skycam@pdq.net
>Date: 1/16/05 1:02 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id:
>
>On 16 Jan 2005 00:50:02 GMT, ofiddle@aol.com (Ofiddle) wrote:
>
>>>
>>

?? I did?

From:	Peanut4040
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	05 Jan 2005 03:38:46 GMT

> because we sometimes build up these really large charges of static
>electricity if we freefall through cold dry air. Touch the wrong guy at the
>wrong time and, zappo, you are toast.

AWWW MANNNNNN,, don't be telling them (the whuffos) this kinda stuff,,, they
will know who we areeee

From:	David Ferree
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	2 Jan 2005 23:00:22 -0600

From:	Ofiddle
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	16 Jan 2005 00:40:59 GMT

> That's
>actually the main reason airplanes have to avoid rain storms in the
>air but can take off and land since all of the airports are below the
>thick water levels.
>
>Hope this helps.

>From: David Ferree

Hey David, does this also hold true of aqua-planes? I mean, we have a lot of
them here, and I have been wondering about this very thing. I am glad that you
brought it up so that we could discuss it...

From:	mart
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:33:22 +0200

You are way better off asking this question in summer when skydivers have
less bad weather.
"song writer" wrote in message
news:BDFE23BB.25BD6%iwritesongs@verizon.net...
> Hi I have a question about skydiving, and I think your organization would
> be
> the one to ask.
>
> Once I heard on TV that skydivers can actually breath through the pores in
> their skin since they are falling so fast. I also heard that skydiver
> can't
> skydive in the rain because they might drown from the water. Now I did
> hear
> this on TV, and it wasn't Comedy Central. LOL.
>
> The people at work say this is not true. I have searched on the internet
> but
> have not found the information to back up this claim.
>
> Is what I heard true?
>
> Thanks for your help.
>

From:	Jerry K.
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Sun, 02 Jan 2005 23:34:27 -0600

On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 03:18:09 GMT, song writer
wrote:

>Hi I have a question about skydiving, and I think your organization would be
>the one to ask.
>
>Once I heard on TV that skydivers can actually breath through the pores in
>their skin since they are falling so fast.

Yes - you might have heard at one time about naked skydives -
typically these dives are made by people who desire to "blow-out" as
much of their pores as possible and clear up everything so they can
breathe better and it's more likely that these dives are made by
people with respiratory or hygiene issues.

>I also heard that skydiver can't
>skydive in the rain because they might drown from the water.

The biggest issue is all that water collecting on the body and the
increase of freefall speed because of the added weight. It's possible
to actually exceed the speed of sound if you collect enough water as
you fall and since 911, the FAA has specifically banned skydivers from
creating sonic booms - at least within 100 miles of any populated
area. Another problem is the gear - the parachute harness and
parachute are rarely reinforced to handle openings at supersonic
speeds - jumping through rain is crazy. Breathing is something else -
most skydivers wear suits so if it rains, the choking raindrops are
deflected away or absorbed but in most cases the skydive lasts little
longer than a minute and most people, if they were to get inuated with
rain, are able to hold their breath long enough to get down to opening
altitude. We are very, very carefull about this hazard so when
skydivers make their first jump, one of the things they have to do is
be able to prove they can hold their breath for a minute.

>Now I did hear
>this on TV, and it wasn't Comedy Central. LOL.
>
>The people at work say this is not true. I have searched on the internet but
>have not found the information to back up this claim.

The best thing to do is to go out to a dropzone (check your phonebook
under "skydiving" or "parachutin," and see it in action.

>
>Is what I heard true?

Absolutely - but it's not so much the speed that allows your skin to
breath because the speed merely increasing the skin's ability - the
skin is always breathing. When the skydiver has reached what we call,
"Derminal Velocity," that is when the skydiver is falling fast enough
to where the skin is getting supercharged with oxygen and where actual
breathing via air pressure inflating the lungs becomes not entirely
but significantly superfluous.

>
>Thanks for your help.

No prob - Blue Skies!

....bsrp
....jlk

From:	Ofiddle
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	16 Jan 2005 00:43:52 GMT

>>Thanks for your help.
>
>No prob - Blue Skies!
>
>...bsrp
>...jlk

You forgot to suggest the renting of the movie "Derminal Velocity" I am sure
that the poser of this question would enjoy this enlightening, and total
accurate depiction of our sport!

From:	ynotssor
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Sat, 15 Jan 2005 19:29:05 -0800

"Ofiddle" wrote in message
news:20050115194352.21851.00000030@mb-m05.aol.com...

> >>Thanks for your help.
> >
> >No prob - Blue Skies!
>
> You forgot to suggest the renting of the movie "Derminal Velocity" I am
sure
> that the poser of this question would enjoy this enlightening, and total
> accurate depiction of our sport!

"Derminal Velocity" -- is that a skin flick?

Actually, my friend Tom Hili was Charlie Sheen's skydiving double in that
one. He had to drive 4 red Cadillac convertibles out the back of that
Fairchild C123 before they got the scene right.

And y'all wonder why movie tickets cost so much?

tony

From:	Ofiddle
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	16 Jan 2005 16:44:15 GMT

>
>"Derminal Velocity" -- is that a skin flick?

>From: "ynotssor"

we were talking about breathing thru skin, no?
It would be fun to have someone walk into a Blockbusters and ask for it, don't
you think?

From:	Tom B
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Sun, 16 Jan 2005 04:33:46 GMT

"ynotssor" wrote in message
news:34u5c4F4h9hqjU1@individual.net...
> "Derminal Velocity" -- is that a skin flick?
>
> Actually, my friend Tom Hili was Charlie Sheen's skydiving double in that
> one. He had to drive 4 red Cadillac convertibles out the back of that
> Fairchild C123 before they got the scene right.

I suspect so. The one I was also interested in was the James Bond flick
whose name escapes me. Anyway riding a cargo net full of bags flopping
behind a C130 looked like a fun way to break an arm or a leg, or to hang for
an 8 second count without letting the other arm drop. And in "The Spy Who
Loved Me" does anyone know where they did the base jump off the mountain
when Bond was running from the Russian hit squad? Nice scenery.

> And y'all wonder why movie tickets cost so much?

I thought it was because someone had to pay for all the lesser successes
with really ugly overweight skydivers in Elvis suits. :)

> tony

Tom B

From:	Ofiddle
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	16 Jan 2005 16:43:10 GMT

>I thought it was because someone had to pay for all the lesser successes
>with really ugly overweight skydivers in Elvis suits. :)
>
>> tony
>
>Tom B

I thought that they were really cute overweight skydivers in Elvis suits!

From:	RHallifax
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	21 Jan 2005 03:26:51 GMT

Yadda, yadda, yadda......

Reply:

Hey, that's what we're here for... Don't mention it..

Bob

From:	muff528
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Mon, 03 Jan 2005 14:13:52 GMT

> Once I heard on TV that skydivers can actually breath through the pores in
> their skin since they are falling so fast. I also heard that skydiver
can't
> skydive in the rain because they might drown from the water. Now I did
hear
> this on TV, and it wasn't Comedy Central. LOL.

I've noticed that skydivers on TV can do all sorts of neat things--

*Hold conversations in freefall
*Close a 5-way star on your first jump
*2 minute freefall from 10k or so
*Other stuff that just doesn't come to mind right now while I've got the
flu.

I've been on a lot of jumps that DID seem like Comedy Central! I'm sure
Joe, Johnny, Nigel and some other MB's can verify.

From:	Cloud buster
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	03 Jan 2005 14:20:32 GMT

>*Other stuff that just doesn't come to mind

....... Like descending the plane to 4K in order to avoid radar and still have a
safe jump altitude; then having enough freefall time to chase a guy out without
a rig on and wrestle for over a minute.

"USE YOUR ARMS JOHNNY!!"

From:	Jerry K.
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Mon, 03 Jan 2005 12:39:36 -0600

On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 14:13:52 GMT, "muff528"
wrote:

>
>> Once I heard on TV that skydivers can actually breath through the pores in
>> their skin since they are falling so fast. I also heard that skydiver
>can't
>> skydive in the rain because they might drown from the water. Now I did
>hear
>> this on TV, and it wasn't Comedy Central. LOL.
>
>I've noticed that skydivers on TV can do all sorts of neat things--
>
>*Hold conversations in freefall
>*Close a 5-way star on your first jump
>*2 minute freefall from 10k or so
>*Other stuff that just doesn't come to mind right now while I've got the
>flu.

Don't forget (television) skydivers tending to make their livings
selling drugs and robbing banks. Time was back in the "RipCord" days
that skydivers would use their skydiving powers for good and not evil.

>
>I've been on a lot of jumps that DID seem like Comedy Central! I'm sure
>Joe, Johnny, Nigel and some other MB's can verify.

Me and Lambert once engaged in a fist-fight while we were waiting for
the rest to dock - pure comedy.

....bsrp
....jlk

From:	Tom B
Subject:	Re: Question about Skydiving
Date:	Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:57:21 GMT

"muff528" wrote in message
news:AqcCd.24587$2X6.6474@trnddc07...
>
>> Once I heard on TV that skydivers can actually breath through the pores
>> in
>> their skin since they are falling so fast. I also heard that skydiver
> can't
>> skydive in the rain because they might drown from the water. Now I did
> hear
>> this on TV, and it wasn't Comedy Central. LOL.
>
> I've noticed that skydivers on TV can do all sorts of neat things--
>
> *Hold conversations in freefall
> *Close a 5-way star on your first jump
> *2 minute freefall from 10k or so
> *Other stuff that just doesn't come to mind right now while I've got the
> flu.

Well... I have seen Jimbo float, so the other stuff seems simple enough in
comparison.

Tom B
>
>
>