I would like to find out more about water powered backing gates but so
far have found nothing in the UK.
Anyone have any suggestions, ideas, links or use one? I think they are
more common in NZ than the UK.
Main idea being to push up the cows from the parlour pit by mains
pressured water from the plate cooler without using electricity, we have
a circular collecting yard.
TIA

Hayseed

From:	Oz
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate) is now backing gate... again
Date:	Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:53:50 +0000

Jim Webster writes
>back to backing gates, I'm afraid the only one I've seen were where the
>moving end of the gate was pulled manually by a rope in the parlour. It
>wasn't a big system obviously.
>Also I suspect the gate hung so that naturally it tended to try to shut and
>thus push the last cow.

There was one here when we came, but cowman didn't like it (which may
have more to say about his relief at that time perhaps). I'm not sure
how it was supposed to work, but I imagine something like the following:

In essence a length of scaffold tube suspended about 1/4 in from each
end. It was the width of the collecting yard. The suspension wire was
connected to two wires (A) suspended over the yard running
longitudinally.

Wires (A) (endless) went over two pairs of pulleys driven by a small
geared electric motor (I would use windscreen wiper -type). Personally I
would put something in here to make a noise, so the cows know its being
operated. The pulleys were plastic. The wire was electrified (electric
fence).

Simple enough?

--
Oz

From:	Hayseed
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate) is now backing gate... again
Date:	Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:21:10 -0000

"Oz" wrote in message
news:WCKqI5DeqxvBFwUA@port995.com...
> Jim Webster writes
> >back to backing gates, I'm afraid the only one I've seen were where
the
> >moving end of the gate was pulled manually by a rope in the parlour.
It
> >wasn't a big system obviously.
> >Also I suspect the gate hung so that naturally it tended to try to
shut and
> >thus push the last cow.
>
> There was one here when we came, but cowman didn't like it (which may
> have more to say about his relief at that time perhaps). I'm not sure
> how it was supposed to work, but I imagine something like the
following:
>
> In essence a length of scaffold tube suspended about 1/4 in from each
> end. It was the width of the collecting yard. The suspension wire was
> connected to two wires (A) suspended over the yard running
> longitudinally.
>
> Wires (A) (endless) went over two pairs of pulleys driven by a small
> geared electric motor (I would use windscreen wiper -type). Personally
I
> would put something in here to make a noise, so the cows know its
being
> operated. The pulleys were plastic. The wire was electrified (electric
> fence).
>
> Simple enough?
>
Ideally the noise made and the movement of the gate should coincide with
the parlour gate being open so the cows associate the noise and moving
gate with coming into the parlour and not merely moving up a bit and
still gawping in at the door at you.
We're doing a bit to the parlour just now having been put off spending
anything on milk meters, doubling up, auto ident etc etc etc.....since
if the cows don't enter and flow in the first place no matter how many
gadgets and gizmo's you have milking will take just as long......a
thought still lost on all parlour salesmen.

HS

From:	David G. Bell
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate)
Date:	Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:12:39 +0000 (GMT)

On Tuesday, in article
Jim@zerospam.moik.net "Jim Webster" wrote:

> "Oz" wrote in message
> news:keqmPJDeUtvBFwSg@port995.com...
> > J B writes
> > >"Hayseed" wrote in message
> > >news:jfCdnWZ0eueyrCDcRVnytg@eclipse.net.uk...
> > >> Thx Jim..
> > >> I can't get UKBA so posted here.
> > >
> > >Slightly o/t but it there anything about *farming* in sci.ag? Coz there
> > >seems little about it in ukba recently!!
> >
> > I try,
> > see recent post about agricultural incinerators and waste disposal.
> >
>
> problem is there are very few farmers who bother with usenet. Which is
> understandable really

True.

You shouldn't count me any more. Even if I've had more practical
experience of what I'm blathering about than Messrs. Cartmell and Rooney
ever seem likely to get.

Actuallt, I reckon newsgroup regulars get more return from journalism
and quantum mechanics than they do from farming.

--
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

Wrought under license granted by Her Majesty's Apostropher Royal AD MMIV

From:	Hayseed
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate)
Date:	Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:17:51 -0000

Get back "on topic" plz u lot ;-) and help me out, anyone any ideas how
to make up a water powered backing gate? any ideas on motor size? can't
be that hard

hs

""David G. Bell"" wrote in message
news:20041214.1312.99769snz@zhochaka.demon.co.uk...
> On Tuesday, in article
> Jim@zerospam.moik.net "Jim Webster" wrote:
>
> > "Oz" wrote in message
> > news:keqmPJDeUtvBFwSg@port995.com...
> > > J B writes
> > > >"Hayseed" wrote in message
> > > >news:jfCdnWZ0eueyrCDcRVnytg@eclipse.net.uk...
> > > >> Thx Jim..
> > > >> I can't get UKBA so posted here.
> > > >
> > > >Slightly o/t but it there anything about *farming* in sci.ag? Coz
there
> > > >seems little about it in ukba recently!!
> > >
> > > I try,
> > > see recent post about agricultural incinerators and waste
disposal.
> > >
> >
> > problem is there are very few farmers who bother with usenet. Which
is
> > understandable really
>
> True.
>
> You shouldn't count me any more. Even if I've had more practical
> experience of what I'm blathering about than Messrs. Cartmell and
Rooney
> ever seem likely to get.
>
> Actuallt, I reckon newsgroup regulars get more return from journalism
> and quantum mechanics than they do from farming.
>
> --
> David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.
>
> Wrought under license granted by Her Majesty's Apostropher Royal AD
MMIV

From:	Oz
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate)
Date:	Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:45:17 +0000

Hayseed writes

>mines

>ariel

sans serif, proportionally spaced font.
Try courier new, or fixedsys9.

>regular

ie not bold or italic

>9

point (size)

>....always has been....so mine is a "fixed
>font" anyhow?

One where:

iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii and
wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww are the same length.

even spaces are the same width as everything else. so

i i and
wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww are the same length too.

Each proportional font has different kerning (or the space used for each
character) so ascii art never matches unless you all agree on the same
font (actually size too in most cases).

But all monospaced fonts are equal. They use one width for everything.
Its thus 'universal' in this sense.

--
Oz

From:	Oz
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate)
Date:	Sun, 19 Dec 2004 18:09:48 +0000

J B writes
>"Hayseed" wrote in message
>news:FeednXF4TctpA1ncRVnytg@eclipse.net.uk...
>
>> Maybe a setting in that, in this ie u can use fixed font maybe thats
>> what he means.......whatever.
>
>When I read a message, I get an option to view in 'fixed width', but to
>compose ... there don't seem to be an option!

Set the compose to courier new.

One soon gets used to it.

Actually I am writing in fixedsys9.

--
Oz

From:	Jim Webster
Subject:	Re: Backing gate
Date:	Sun, 12 Dec 2004 18:53:52 -0000

x posted for wider circulation

"Hayseed" wrote in message
news:UKOdnc54E_YqmSbcRVnyvw@eclipse.net.uk...
> I would like to find out more about water powered backing gates but so
> far have found nothing in the UK.
> Anyone have any suggestions, ideas, links or use one? I think they are
> more common in NZ than the UK.
> Main idea being to push up the cows from the parlour pit by mains
> pressured water from the plate cooler without using electricity, we have
> a circular collecting yard.
> TIA
>
> Hayseed
>
>

From:	Hayseed
Subject:	Re: Backing gate
Date:	Mon, 13 Dec 2004 06:06:28 -0000

Thx Jim..
I can't get UKBA so posted here.

Hayseed

"Jim Webster" wrote in message
news:cpi45r$1lo$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> x posted for wider circulation
>
>
> "Hayseed" wrote in message
> news:UKOdnc54E_YqmSbcRVnyvw@eclipse.net.uk...
> > I would like to find out more about water powered backing gates but
so
> > far have found nothing in the UK.
> > Anyone have any suggestions, ideas, links or use one? I think they
are
> > more common in NZ than the UK.
> > Main idea being to push up the cows from the parlour pit by mains
> > pressured water from the plate cooler without using electricity, we
have
> > a circular collecting yard.
> > TIA
> >
> > Hayseed
> >
> >
>
>

From:	J B
Subject:	Farming? (was: Backing gate)
Date:	Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:16:05 -0000

"Hayseed" wrote in message
news:jfCdnWZ0eueyrCDcRVnytg@eclipse.net.uk...
> Thx Jim..
> I can't get UKBA so posted here.

Slightly o/t but it there anything about *farming* in sci.ag? Coz there
seems little about it in ukba recently!!

:-((

--

J B

From:	Hayseed
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate)
Date:	Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:15:41 -0000

"J B" wrote in message
news:3280l8F3jb4laU1@individual.net...
> "Hayseed" wrote in message
> news:jfCdnWZ0eueyrCDcRVnytg@eclipse.net.uk...
> > Thx Jim..
> > I can't get UKBA so posted here.
>
> Slightly o/t but it there anything about *farming* in sci.ag? Coz
there
> seems little about it in ukba recently!!
>
> :-((
>
>
> --
>
> J B
>
James,
Very little "farming" in farming these days..more about being
enviromentally friendly...I thought it all went together myself but
apparently not anymore according to HMG.

hs

From:	Hayseed
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate) is now backing gate... again
Date:	Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:23:00 -0000

Re:Farming? (was: Backing gate) is now Backing gate...again.

Hey JB make yer own thread instead of pinching mine ;-)...damn
northerners ;-)
hehehe

Hayseed.

From:	Jim Webster
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate) is now backing gate... again
Date:	Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:36:05 -0000

"Hayseed" wrote in message
news:FsadnfQ7jsqYaiPcRVnyrg@eclipse.net.uk...
> Re:Farming? (was: Backing gate) is now Backing gate...again.
>
> Hey JB make yer own thread instead of pinching mine ;-)...damn
> northerners ;-)
> hehehe
>
> Hayseed.

back to backing gates, I'm afraid the only one I've seen were where the
moving end of the gate was pulled manually by a rope in the parlour. It
wasn't a big system obviously.
Also I suspect the gate hung so that naturally it tended to try to shut and
thus push the last cow.

Jim Webster

From:	Gordon Couger
Subject:	Re: Backing gate
Date:	Sun, 19 Dec 2004 11:40:58 -0600

Hayseed wrote:
> I would like to find out more about water powered backing gates but so
> far have found nothing in the UK.
> Anyone have any suggestions, ideas, links or use one? I think they are
> more common in NZ than the UK.
> Main idea being to push up the cows from the parlour pit by mains
> pressured water from the plate cooler without using electricity, we have
> a circular collecting yard.
> TIA
>
> Hayseed
>
>
I would consider a water driven hydraulic cylinder. It would
need to be made of stainless steel, bronze or plastic.

Made of PVC and large enough in diameter it might not be very
expensive if you can keep the cows form damaging it.

Gordon Couger
Stillwater, OK
www.TakeThisOUTcouger.com/gcouger

From:	Oz
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate)
Date:	Mon, 20 Dec 2004 18:37:01 +0000

Dean Hoffman writes

> There are water motors available commercially. Is there some reason not
>to use one of those?

Pricey.

> Pivot irrigation systems were water powered at one time.

That is a *tad* bigger system ....

>The power came
>from a cross shaped assembly with water jets at the ends. A shaft went
>from the cross to a center gearbox. The wheels were driven two different
>ways. One way was with chains running from the center gearbox to the
>wheels. The other way was with a gearbox mounted at each wheel. The two
>wheel gearboxes were driven by shafts connected to the center gearbox.

Easy situation - no 3/4T vandal cows about....

> There are 12VDC enclosed gearmotors available also if that might help.

best & cheapest being windscreen wiper motors....

--
Oz

From:	Oz
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate)
Date:	Fri, 17 Dec 2004 11:12:05 +0000

Tim Lamb writes

>Would the water pumps found on early crop sprayers work in reverse?

Possibly, its probably dependent on the shape of the impeller flutings.
Ideally curved and shaped.

>Hayseed does not mention available water pressure but 50psi might
>produce enough torque to power a geared drive with an output shaft
>engaging a jockey wheel turning the periphery of the car tyre.

Slurry is slippery.

>No, I am not going to attempt this in ASCII.

Awwwww

>The reason I was pushing the DC drive is that I am impressed with the
>performance of motorised wheelchairs. You need a geriatric in the family
>to experience this:-)

People underestimate the power available from windscreen-wiper motors.
Furthermore these are already geared down giving several
seconds/rotation which puts you in the right ballpark at least.

--
Oz

From:	Oz
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate)
Date:	Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:18:59 +0000

Hayseed writes
>Get back "on topic" plz u lot ;-) and help me out, anyone any ideas how
>to make up a water powered backing gate? any ideas on motor size? can't
>be that hard

I'll happily look at a design, but how about some ascii art to show what
you are after?

--
Oz

From:	Hayseed
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate)
Date:	Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:14:37 -0000

"Oz" wrote in message
news:rTV18iDjRwvBFwi8@port995.com...
> Hayseed writes
> >Get back "on topic" plz u lot ;-) and help me out, anyone any ideas
how
> >to make up a water powered backing gate? any ideas on motor size?
can't
> >be that hard
>
> I'll happily look at a design, but how about some ascii art to show
what
> you are after?
>
> --
> Oz
Thx for the offer...
I'll measure the gate dimensions tomorrow, it's a circular yard gate,
also will look up pump output and can I measure the effort required to
pull the gate around by a weigh spring? would this be of any use? It is
quite hard.
We did put another wheel centre on it with cups on and used the hose on
it to drive it around...water everywhere and most of the momentum lost
by the lack of a closed system.
Don't want the gate to whizz around too quick or we'll finish milking
too early It's a pivoting gate with an old car wheel on one end
which is simply attached via a piece of pipe on a shaft welded to the
gate. Artwork was never a strong point but will measure up tomorrow and
let u know.

HS

From:	Bruce Sinclair
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate)
Date:	Wed, 15 Dec 2004 00:29:11 GMT

In article , Oz wrote:
>Hayseed writes
>>Get back "on topic" plz u lot ;-) and help me out, anyone any ideas how
>>to make up a water powered backing gate? any ideas on motor size? can't
>>be that hard
>
>I'll happily look at a design, but how about some ascii art to show what
>you are after?

Any reason for water powered ? ... there are some good designs in electric.
Is that a problem ? (I missed the early posts so may have missed that -
apologies if this is so :) ).

Bruce

------------------------------
Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals
dying of nothing.

-Redd Foxx

Caution ===== followups may have been changed to relevant groups
(if there were any)

From:	Hayseed
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate)
Date:	Thu, 16 Dec 2004 06:19:04 -0000

Oz

1-------/-----------------|--------------\--------|
1-----/-------------------|---------------\-------|
1---/---------------------|-----------------\-----|
1-/-----------------------|-------a-----------\---|
| |
|
U <-----Wheel 22" |
<------Circular yard central pivot inches

<--------------------7.5m---------------------->

Water pipe to come down the pivot travel along beam a and return along
beam a as well, return pipe havong jets in it to wet the yard for easier
scraping . Wheel is a car wheel 22" diameter held on one side only by a
solid shaft.

HS

"Oz" wrote in message
news:rTV18iDjRwvBFwi8@port995.com...
> Hayseed writes
> >Get back "on topic" plz u lot ;-) and help me out, anyone any ideas
how
> >to make up a water powered backing gate? any ideas on motor size?
can't
> >be that hard
>
> I'll happily look at a design, but how about some ascii art to show
what
> you are after?
>
> --
> Oz

From:	Dean Hoffman
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate)
Date:	Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:29:49 -0600

On 12/16/04 12:19 AM, in article Kr-dnTS7RL4StVzcRVnyug@eclipse.net.uk,
"Hayseed" wrote:

> Oz
>
>
> 1-------/-----------------|--------------\--------|
> 1-----/-------------------|---------------\-------|
> 1---/---------------------|-----------------\-----|
> 1-/-----------------------|-------a-----------\---|
> | |
> |
> U <-----Wheel 22" |
> <------Circular yard central pivot inches
>
> <--------------------7.5m---------------------->
>
> Water pipe to come down the pivot travel along beam a and return along
> beam a as well, return pipe havong jets in it to wet the yard for easier
> scraping . Wheel is a car wheel 22" diameter held on one side only by a
> solid shaft.
>
> HS
>
>
There are water motors available commercially. Is there some reason not
to use one of those?
Pivot irrigation systems were water powered at one time. The power came
from a cross shaped assembly with water jets at the ends. A shaft went
from the cross to a center gearbox. The wheels were driven two different
ways. One way was with chains running from the center gearbox to the
wheels. The other way was with a gearbox mounted at each wheel. The two
wheel gearboxes were driven by shafts connected to the center gearbox.
A typical span is 160' or so long. These were mainly 6' pipe back then.
This contraption would have plenty of power to move the gate. The only
problem would be the exhaust water.
Would it be practical to extend some sort of arm above the outer end of
the gate? Could you then use some sort of trolley system to pull the gate
around?
There are 12VDC enclosed gearmotors available also if that might help.

Dean

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From:	Tim Lamb
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate)
Date:	Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:14:23 +0000

In article , Bruce Sinclair
writes
>In article , Oz wrote:
>>Hayseed writes
>>>Get back "on topic" plz u lot ;-) and help me out, anyone any ideas how
>>>to make up a water powered backing gate? any ideas on motor size? can't
>>>be that hard
>>
>>I'll happily look at a design, but how about some ascii art to show what
>>you are after?
>
>Any reason for water powered ? ... there are some good designs in electric.
>Is that a problem ? (I missed the early posts so may have missed that -
>apologies if this is so :) ).

What about DC electric? Safe low voltage and presumably you want the
motor to stall if it catches up with the cows?

regards
>
>
>
>Bruce
>
>------------------------------
>Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals
> dying of nothing.
>
>-Redd Foxx
>
>
>Caution ===== followups may have been changed to relevant groups
>(if there were any)

--
Tim Lamb

From:	Hayseed
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate)
Date:	Thu, 16 Dec 2004 06:12:37 -0000

"Tim Lamb" wrote in message
news:e0f3zEAvBAwBFwex@marford.demon.co.uk...
> In article , Bruce Sinclair
> writes
> >In article , Oz
wrote:
> >>Hayseed writes
> >>>Get back "on topic" plz u lot ;-) and help me out, anyone any
ideas how
> >>>to make up a water powered backing gate? any ideas on motor size?
can't
> >>>be that hard
> >>
> >>I'll happily look at a design, but how about some ascii art to show
what
> >>you are after?
> >
> >Any reason for water powered ? ... there are some good designs in
electric.
> >Is that a problem ? (I missed the early posts so may have missed
that -
> >apologies if this is so :) ).
>
> What about DC electric? Safe low voltage and presumably you want the
> motor to stall if it catches up with the cows?
>
I prefer water powered, the water pump is always on but not used much
during milking itself so pressure is available and "free" water goes to
waste anyhow when the overflow tanks are full so seems logical to use
it. Not keen on electric around cows who would crap all over the motor
regardless.

HS

From:	Oz
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate)
Date:	Sat, 18 Dec 2004 06:56:31 +0000

Hayseed writes

>Hmmmm my drawing didn't look quite like that when I sent it, yes the
>motor is the opposite end of the pivot! Gate is 7.5 m long. I'll look up
>pressure and also set this to 72 characters long?

Are you using a monospaced font?

--
Oz

From:	Hayseed
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate)
Date:	Sat, 18 Dec 2004 08:54:47 -0000

Not sure.....if I knew what that was I may be able to tell u :-o

hs

"Oz" wrote in message
news:Ve1q$WAfS9wBFws$@farmeroz.port995.com...
> Hayseed writes
>
> >Hmmmm my drawing didn't look quite like that when I sent it, yes
the
> >motor is the opposite end of the pivot! Gate is 7.5 m long. I'll
look up
> >pressure and also set this to 72 characters long?
>
> Are you using a monospaced font?
>
> --
> Oz

From:	J B
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate)
Date:	Sat, 18 Dec 2004 11:27:47 -0000

"Hayseed" wrote in message
news:OLWdnQpAutmRbV7cRVnyhg@eclipse.net.uk...
> Not sure.....if I knew what that was I may be able to tell u :-o

1. Don't top post, the natives are *very* unfriendly here.

2. You need 'fixed width' font (but I can't find where to select it)

;-))

--

J B

From:	Hayseed
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate)
Date:	Sat, 18 Dec 2004 21:21:09 -0000

JB
LOL no wonder ukba is going quiet if all that is discussed is forum
etiquette ;-))
I remember ppl posting in FOL once in capitals duly shot down
and never heard of again....big shame.
I usually do post below and snip accordingly but forgot really, not
able to get ukba so well out of practise.

"J B" wrote in message
news:32iii8F3m3cnoU1@individual.net...
> "Hayseed" wrote in message
> news:OLWdnQpAutmRbV7cRVnyhg@eclipse.net.uk...
> > Not sure.....if I knew what that was I may be able to tell u :-o
>
> 1. Don't top post, the natives are *very* unfriendly here.
>

JB
LOL no wonder ukba is going quiet if all that is discussed is forum
etiquette ;-))
I remember ppl posting in FOL once in capitals duly shot down
and never heard of again....big shame.
I usually do post below and snip accordingly but forgot really, not
able to get ukba so well out of practise.

> 2. You need 'fixed width' font (but I can't find where to select
it)
>

sigh!!!
lol ur as bad as me ;-)

I see it was already set to 72 characters anyhow. Oz uses turnpike,
probably win 3.11 too
Maybe a setting in that, in this ie u can use fixed font maybe thats
what he means.......whatever.

hs

From:	J B
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate)
Date:	Sun, 19 Dec 2004 15:42:43 -0000

"Hayseed" wrote in message
news:FeednXF4TctpA1ncRVnytg@eclipse.net.uk...

> Maybe a setting in that, in this ie u can use fixed font maybe thats
> what he means.......whatever.

When I read a message, I get an option to view in 'fixed width', but to
compose ... there don't seem to be an option!

--

J B

From:	Torsten Brinch
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate)
Date:	Sun, 19 Dec 2004 17:14:34 +0100

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 15:42:43 -0000, "J B" wrote:

>"Hayseed" wrote in message
>news:FeednXF4TctpA1ncRVnytg@eclipse.net.uk...
>
>> Maybe a setting in that, in this ie u can use fixed font maybe thats
>> what he means.......whatever.
>
>When I read a message, I get an option to view in 'fixed width', but to
>compose ... there don't seem to be an option!

Tools-->Options-->Compose
Set News font to e.g Courier 12

From:	Hayseed
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate)
Date:	Sun, 19 Dec 2004 21:32:27 -0000

"Torsten Brinch" wrote in message
news:f4abs058mtdceqe1k3p10dllaqak20lc1m@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 15:42:43 -0000, "J B" wrote:
>
> >"Hayseed" wrote in message
> >news:FeednXF4TctpA1ncRVnytg@eclipse.net.uk...
> >
> >> Maybe a setting in that, in this ie u can use fixed font maybe
thats
> >> what he means.......whatever.
> >
> >When I read a message, I get an option to view in 'fixed width',
but to
> >compose ... there don't seem to be an option!
>
> Tools-->Options-->Compose
> Set News font to e.g Courier 12

mines ariel regular 9....always has been....so mine is a "fixed
font" anyhow?

hs

From:	Peter Duncanson
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate)
Date:	Sun, 19 Dec 2004 23:38:34 +0000

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 21:32:27 -0000, "Hayseed" wrote:

>
>"Torsten Brinch" wrote in message
>news:f4abs058mtdceqe1k3p10dllaqak20lc1m@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 15:42:43 -0000, "J B" wrote:
>>
>> >"Hayseed" wrote in message
>> >news:FeednXF4TctpA1ncRVnytg@eclipse.net.uk...
>> >
>> >> Maybe a setting in that, in this ie u can use fixed font maybe
>thats
>> >> what he means.......whatever.
>> >
>> >When I read a message, I get an option to view in 'fixed width',
>but to
>> >compose ... there don't seem to be an option!
>>
>> Tools-->Options-->Compose
>> Set News font to e.g Courier 12
>
>mines ariel regular 9....always has been....so mine is a "fixed
>font" anyhow?
>
>hs
>
A message as sent by you (or anyone else) does not contain font information.

When you select a font for composing a message it affects only the way the
message is displayed on your screen while you are composing it.

--
Peter Duncanson
UK (posting from uba)

"In the beginning was The Tautology."

From:	Oz
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate)
Date:	Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:27:53 +0000

Hayseed writes
>Oz
>
>
>1-------/-----------------|--------------\--------|
>1-----/-------------------|---------------\-------|
>1---/---------------------|-----------------\-----|
>1-/-----------------------|-------a-----------\---|
> | |
>|
> U <-----Wheel 22" |
><------Circular yard central pivot inches
>
><--------------------7.5m---------------------->
>
>Water pipe to come down the pivot travel along beam a and return along
>beam a as well, return pipe havong jets in it to wet the yard for easier
>scraping . Wheel is a car wheel 22" diameter held on one side only by a
>solid shaft.

Hmm, tricky....

That's a big, heavy gate which will take some moving, particularly if
its not on completely level ground.

I don't think just a jet or water would move it reliably. At least not
the amount and pressure of water that you would find acceptable.

Using a waterpump running backwards as a turbine would require very
careful selection of the pump to be tolerably efficient, I suspect it
would result in a somewhat dearer one than you might have had in mind.
Significant gearing would be required. Altogether not the sort of setup
that fills one with confidence of reliable design.

That would make me tend towards a cylinder, powered by water pressure.
That would also have some tricky bits of design to make it work.

Hmmm.....

Hmmmm......

The ideal thing would be to turn the wheel.
I'm not very happy about turning the whole gate close to the pivot
point, the forces would be large, and the gate isn't very strong when
pushed in this way.

--
Oz

From:	Jim Webster
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate)
Date:	Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:44:17 -0000

"Oz" wrote in message
news:rqQlivAJipwBFwpo@farmeroz.port995.com...
> Hayseed writes

> The ideal thing would be to turn the wheel.

hamster?

> I'm not very happy about turning the whole gate close to the pivot
> point, the forces would be large, and the gate isn't very strong when
> pushed in this way.

I do think you are right about not applying the force close to the pivot

Jim Webster

>
> --
> Oz

From:	Howard Neil
Subject:	Re: Farming?
Date:	Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:03:53 +0000

Jim Webster wrote:
> "Oz" wrote in message
> news:rqQlivAJipwBFwpo@farmeroz.port995.com...
>
>>Hayseed writes
>
>
>>The ideal thing would be to turn the wheel.
>
>
> hamster?

Politician? :-)

--
Howard Neil

From:	Jim Webster
Subject:	Re: Farming?
Date:	Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:32:03 -0000

"Howard Neil" wrote in message
news:41c2af08$0$72605$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net...
> Jim Webster wrote:
> > "Oz" wrote in message
> > news:rqQlivAJipwBFwpo@farmeroz.port995.com...
> >
> >>Hayseed writes
> >
> >
> >>The ideal thing would be to turn the wheel.
> >
> >
> > hamster?
>
> Politician? :-)
>
dangle an expense claim form just out of their reach and let them scrabble
round the wheel trying to chase it

Jim Webster

From:	Howard Neil
Subject:	Re: Farming?
Date:	Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:41:32 +0000

Jim Webster wrote:
> "Howard Neil" wrote in message
> news:41c2af08$0$72605$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net...
>
>>Jim Webster wrote:
>>
>>>"Oz" wrote in message
>>>news:rqQlivAJipwBFwpo@farmeroz.port995.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hayseed writes
>>>
>>>
>>>>The ideal thing would be to turn the wheel.
>>>
>>>
>>>hamster?
>>
>>Politician? :-)
>>
>
> dangle an expense claim form just out of their reach and let them scrabble
> round the wheel trying to chase it

LOL. That deserves a cartoon.

--
Howard Neil

From:	Hayseed
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate)
Date:	Sat, 18 Dec 2004 06:18:09 -0000

Hmmmm my drawing didn't look quite like that when I sent it, yes the
motor is the opposite end of the pivot! Gate is 7.5 m long. I'll look up
pressure and also set this to 72 characters long?

Hayseed

> > I'm not very happy about turning the whole gate close to the pivot
> > point, the forces would be large, and the gate isn't very strong
when
> > pushed in this way.
>
>
> I do think you are right about not applying the force close to the
pivot
>
> Jim Webster
>
> >
> > --
> > Oz
>
>

From:	Tim Lamb
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate)
Date:	Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:53:56 +0000

In article , Jim Webster
writes
>
>"Oz" wrote in message
>news:rqQlivAJipwBFwpo@farmeroz.port995.com...
>> Hayseed writes
>
>> The ideal thing would be to turn the wheel.
>
>hamster?
>
>> I'm not very happy about turning the whole gate close to the pivot
>> point, the forces would be large, and the gate isn't very strong when
>> pushed in this way.
>
>
>I do think you are right about not applying the force close to the pivot

Would the water pumps found on early crop sprayers work in reverse?
Hayseed does not mention available water pressure but 50psi might
produce enough torque to power a geared drive with an output shaft
engaging a jockey wheel turning the periphery of the car tyre.

No, I am not going to attempt this in ASCII.

The reason I was pushing the DC drive is that I am impressed with the
performance of motorised wheelchairs. You need a geriatric in the family
to experience this:-)

Basically a conventional mini lead acid battery powering a geared motor
drive with a ground engaging wheel. The unit pivots allowing for
undulations and takes a chair plus passenger for several miles at
walking pace.

If Hayseeds support wheel was moved to the non pivot end of the gate,
this might work without further modification if operated in short
pulses. Of course there may be geographical reasons why the wheel is so
close to the pivot:-)

Interesting to consider the lubricating effect of slurry between two
rubber engaging wheels:-)

regards

Tim Lamb

From:	Oz
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate)
Date:	Thu, 16 Dec 2004 07:56:55 +0000

Hayseed writes

>I prefer water powered, the water pump is always on but not used much
>during milking itself so pressure is available and "free" water goes to
>waste anyhow when the overflow tanks are full so seems logical to use
>it. Not keen on electric around cows who would crap all over the motor
>regardless.

I think you are making a rod for your own back in using water power.

--
Oz

From:	Oz
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate)
Date:	Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:57:18 +0000

J B writes
>"Hayseed" wrote in message
>news:jfCdnWZ0eueyrCDcRVnytg@eclipse.net.uk...
>> Thx Jim..
>> I can't get UKBA so posted here.
>
>Slightly o/t but it there anything about *farming* in sci.ag? Coz there
>seems little about it in ukba recently!!

I try,
see recent post about agricultural incinerators and waste disposal.

--
Oz

From:	J B
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate)
Date:	Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:18:10 -0000

"Oz" wrote in message
news:keqmPJDeUtvBFwSg@port995.com...

> I try,
> see recent post about agricultural incinerators and waste disposal.

Sorry, you do indeed try and I'm grateful, it's just that there's so much
crap in here that I suspect it puts 'farmers' off.

--

J B

From:	Hayseed
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate)
Date:	Tue, 14 Dec 2004 14:24:10 -0000

"J B" wrote in message
news:328b24F3j66grU1@individual.net...
> "Oz" wrote in message
> news:keqmPJDeUtvBFwSg@port995.com...
>
> > I try,
> > see recent post about agricultural incinerators and waste disposal.
>
> Sorry, you do indeed try and I'm grateful, it's just that there's so
much
> crap in here that I suspect it puts 'farmers' off.
>
To be honest..it does me..but to not post would let them win!
Can't have that ;-)

HS

From:	J B
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate)
Date:	Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:02:33 -0000

"Hayseed" wrote in message
news:N8qdnSmgtpTaaiPcRVnyiA@eclipse.net.uk...

>> crap in here that I suspect it puts 'farmers' off.
>>
> To be honest..it does me..but to not post would let them win!
> Can't have that ;-)

Don't agree - don't feed the trolls!!!!

--

J B

From:	Jim Webster
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate)
Date:	Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:18:17 -0000

"Oz" wrote in message
news:keqmPJDeUtvBFwSg@port995.com...
> J B writes
> >"Hayseed" wrote in message
> >news:jfCdnWZ0eueyrCDcRVnytg@eclipse.net.uk...
> >> Thx Jim..
> >> I can't get UKBA so posted here.
> >
> >Slightly o/t but it there anything about *farming* in sci.ag? Coz there
> >seems little about it in ukba recently!!
>
> I try,
> see recent post about agricultural incinerators and waste disposal.
>

problem is there are very few farmers who bother with usenet. Which is
understandable really

Jim Webster

From:	Oz
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate) is now backing gate... again
Date:	Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:30:28 +0000

Hayseed writes
>Ideally the noise made and the movement of the gate should coincide with
>the parlour gate being open so the cows associate the noise and moving
>gate with coming into the parlour and not merely moving up a bit and
>still gawping in at the door at you.
>We're doing a bit to the parlour just now having been put off spending
>anything on milk meters, doubling up, auto ident etc etc etc.....since
>if the cows don't enter and flow in the first place no matter how many
>gadgets and gizmo's you have milking will take just as long......a
>thought still lost on all parlour salesmen.

NB We have for sale (cheap):

4 alfa laval OOPF stations
control box,
vast number of spares for everything.
should be over 200 working collars.

also an alfa twin and about 20 straingauges.

--
Oz

From:	J B
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate) is now backing gate... again
Date:	Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:10:19 -0000

"Oz" wrote in message
news:hm0nhaFk10vBFwhs@port995.com...

> NB We have for sale (cheap):
>
> 4 alfa laval OOPF stations
> control box,
> vast number of spares for everything.
> should be over 200 working collars.

Oz

I may know someone interested. Jim's got my e mail address if you want to
follow it up.

--

J B

From:	Oz
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate)
Date:	Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:52:57 +0000

Hayseed writes
>Not sure.....if I knew what that was I may be able to tell u :-o
>
>hs
>
>"Oz" wrote in message
>news:Ve1q$WAfS9wBFws$@farmeroz.port995.com...
>> Hayseed writes
>>
>> >Hmmmm my drawing didn't look quite like that when I sent it, yes
>the
>> >motor is the opposite end of the pivot! Gate is 7.5 m long. I'll
>look up
>> >pressure and also set this to 72 characters long?
>>
>> Are you using a monospaced font?

--
Oz

From:	Hayseed
Subject:	Re: Farming? (was: Backing gate)
Date:	Sat, 18 Dec 2004 20:59:29 -0000

"Oz" wrote in message
news:38cCnIA53$wBFwrT@farmeroz.port995.com...
> Hayseed writes
> >Not sure.....if I knew what that was I may be able to tell u :-o
> >
> >hs
> >
> >"Oz" wrote in message
> >news:Ve1q$WAfS9wBFws$@farmeroz.port995.com...
> >> Hayseed writes
> >>
> >> >Hmmmm my drawing didn't look quite like that when I sent it,
yes
> >the
> >> >motor is the opposite end of the pivot! Gate is 7.5 m long.
I'll
> >look up
> >> >pressure and also set this to 72 characters long?
> >>
> >> Are you using a monospaced font?
>
>
>
> --
> Oz

Wind?

hs ;-)