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 | | From: | royls at telus.net | | Subject: | Re: Samuelson: "It's More Than Social Security" | | Date: | Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:15:18 GMT |
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 | On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:29:04 +0000 (UTC), "Kent Paul Dolan"
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>> Technology improves productivity and results in
>> more goods per unit labor.
>
>That is so false in so many ways I'll leave you to
>do your own homework to figure out why.
Translation: it's true, but you won't let that get in the way of your
silly rant.
>You are so entirely brainwashed, you are now arguing
>in direct contravention to "truth", whatever that
>might mean in your muddled mind.
>
>"Technology" is not a word with an arrow on it, and
>the citizens of a city destroyed by high technology
>munitions will have quarrels with your conclusion
>that their productivity has thereby been improved.
You are confusing the effect of technology with the effect of
political pathology.
>> Technological development also reduces the amount
>> of land necessary to produce goods.
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>False, false, and false, for reasons already stated
>and because you have forgotten to factor in
>depletion.
IOW, for no reasons whatever.
>The technology used to recover oil from continental
>US oil fields has continued to improve, and yet the
>labor and dollar cost of producing oil has continued
>to rise per unit of production,
False. The labor cost has fallen, and net of inflation, the dollar
cost has fluctuated.
>and the amount of
>oil produced per labor and dollar applied has
>continued to fall.
>
>Check out iron ore, which with lots of added
>technology became taconite, which with even more
>added technology became effectively useless low
>yield dust,
?? Silliness.
>for another example, and analyze the
>"unchanging" value of _that_ "land"
Gibberish unrelated to the Trucker's statement.
>and why the US
>steel industry has seemed to fade to the point that
>only tarrifs in violation of international law keep
>it alive at all, what with the closest rich source
>of ore now being in Venezuela instead of Minnesota,
More falsehoods. there is plenty of rich iron ore in the USA.
>and equally easily carted to places with just as
>much coal, shoddier environmental protections, and
>cheaper labor.
It's the latter two that have gutted the US steel industry, not any
falsely claimed lack of iron ore.
>The second law of thermodynamics trumps your
>bozonian economic theories,
ROTFL!!
>and it _guarantees_ that
>technology's race to improve productivity in the
>teeth of finite, consumable resources, will be a
>failing one.
Utter idiocy.
>"Technology" deserves merely "appreciation". It
>being no god, your giving it "blind worship" just
>leaves you blind, not blessed.
He didn't worship it or say it was a god, or anything remotely
similar, lying filth.
>Sorry if your feelings are hurt, but I suspect
>instead that you will prove yourself a victim of
>invincible ignorance, discard all evidence that you
>are incorrect, never notice that you have been
>flayed, flensed, chopped, wrapped and set out for
>sale, and continue arguing as exactly as before,
>unimpeded by mere facts.
Look in the mirror, pal. You are describing yourself in your
exchanges with me.
>Then we, where "we" is probably not "me", I'm quite
>sick of the sight of you in talk.bizarre, can
>continue with your remedial education in economics.
The Trucker knows more economics than you will ever know.
>There _are_ people with broad enough viewpoints and
>sufficiently eclectic experience to know how this
>stuff is put together. Paul Samuelson,
_Robert_ Samuelson. Different guy. _Paul_ Samuelson is a
Nobel laureate in economics, not a newspaper columnist. Oh, and FYI,
the Nobel laureate Samuelson agrees with the Trucker that:
"Pure ground rent is in the nature of a 'surplus,' which can be taxed
heavily without distorting production incentives or reducing
efficiency."
-- Paul Samuelson, Nobel laureate in Economics
>however
>offensive to you his conclusions that conflict with
>the bozoid ones of your monomania may be, is very
>much one such commentator.
>
>You, on the other hand, most profoundly are not a
>clueful commentator, just one of Hoffler's True
>Believers, a sad breed indeed.
"Hoffer."
>xanthian, finding all this too, too easy. People who
>suffer monomanias just refuse to think at all, which
>makes thinking rings around them easy enough that
>even an insane person can do it, as here.
ROTFL!! Which must be why you have felt constrained to snip rather
than respond to my detailed demolitions of you.
How pathetic.
-- Roy L
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