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 | | From: | SDR | | Subject: | The Origin of The Universe / S D Rodrian | | Date: | 23 Jan 2005 01:05:30 -0800 |
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 | From: robert j. kolker (nowhere@nowhere.net)
Subject: Re: The Origin of The Universe / S D Rodrian [vs. the eternal
existence of the universe]
>View this article only
>Newsgroups: sci.physics, gac.physics.astronomy, sci.astro,
alt.astronomy, alt.sci.physics
>Date: 2005-01-22 19:31:54 PST
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>SDR wrote:
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>> Quite the opposite, my entire premise is that there are
>> no uncaused effects.
>You mean that you have not seen an effect without a cause.
That is correct: I have not.
>Have you seen every effect that ever was or will be? I doubt it.
Then why ask the question?!? But, to answer your question
differently than you have answered it: Yes. I have seen
every effect that ever was and ever will be--How can it be
otherwise when I tell you that there are no uncaused effects!?!?
I am, in effect, telling you that the fabric of reality is a fine
weave of interconnections (all are connected to/with each other)
and therefore that if even one of the threads should break... it
would rip the entire fabric apart at once! This is so simple to
understand I can only scratch me head in wonder at your
inability to see it! (Well, perhaps someone who doesn't waste
people's time asking them questions they answer themselves
would see it.)
> So how can you assert that there are no effects with no cause?
Yet I am willing to admit that there are double negatives.
Are you now willing to admit that it leads to confusion (to
answer the thing you have asked: Yes, I am willing to admit
that there are effects with causes). You have not wasted all
my time (I always have time for a good and convenient joke).
> It is true that when we see an effect we seek a cause, but
> seeking does not guarantee either that we find what is sought
> or that what is sought exists. Bob Kolker
He who seeks what he knows can not be found is...
George Bush trying to find democracy in the Islamic world.
S D Rodrian
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| | From: | glbrad01 | | Subject: | Re: The Origin of The Universe / S D Rodrian | | Date: | Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:54:32 GMT |
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| You see an effect without cause fairly nearby. Some years later you see a
causing event without effect very distantly. Could you tell in any way that
the fairly nearby effect you see now was of the very distant cause you see
years later? Or would just assume a unobserved cause for the nearby effect
and a yet to be observed effect for the distant cause?
Brad
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| | From: | vonroach | | Subject: | Re: The Origin of The Universe / S D Rodrian | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:50:46 GMT |
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| On 23 Jan 2005 01:05:30 -0800, sdrodrian@sdrodrian.com (SDR) wrote:
>He who seeks what he knows can not be found is...
>George Bush trying to find democracy in the Islamic world.
srd, your parents wasted their money if they spent any trying to teach you to
think. What they didn't notice is that you lack a brain.
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