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 | | From: | banana | | Subject: | microchip arm implants used at Glasgow nightclub | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 02:59:52 +0000 |
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 | Microchips implanted in the arm are to be used at the Bar Soba night
club in Glasgow, number 11, Mitchell Lane.
The following articles are from the 'Daily Telegraph', the 'Observer',
and the 'Daily Record', followed by an article about the company that
owns the bar and plans to open similar bars across the UK.
From:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/01/17/nchip17.
xml&sSheet=/news/2005/01/17/ixhome.html
or click: :
***BEGIN ARTICLE 1***
Microchip to allow wallet-free drinking
By Auslan Cramb, Scottish Correspondent
(Filed: 17/01/2005)
A Scottish nightclub is about to become the first in Britain to offer
its customers the chance to have a microchip implanted in their arm to
save them carrying cash.
The "digital wallet", the size of a grain of rice, guarantees entry to
the club and allows customers to buy drinks on account. Brad Stevens,
owner of Bar Soba in Glasgow, said his customers had responded
enthusiastically to the idea.
The VeriChip is inserted by a medical professional and then scanned for
its unique ID number as a customer enters the bar.
"There are a number of advantages, from instant access, to not having to
carry money or credit cards, to letting bar staff know a customer's name
and favourite drink," said Mr Stevens. "By the time you walk through the
door to the bar, your favourite drink is waiting for you and the bar
staff can greet you by name."
However, he said the bar would also have to make sure that customers
with the chip had a limit on how much they could spend to prevent them
drinking beyond their ability to pay.
The scheme was criticised by a spokesman for the Scottish Executive, who
said the microchip could encourage excessive drinking, and by Notags, a
consumer group set up to resist the spread of radio frequency
identification devices.
A spokesman said: "The chip contains your name and ID number and, as
this could be read remotely without your knowledge, that is already too
much information."
***END ARTICLE 1***
From:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cache:olDwE_JPP-8J:observer.guardian.co
..uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1391545,00.html
(Google cache)
or click:
***BEGIN ARTICLE 2***
This chip makes sure you always buy your round
Lorna Martin
Sunday January 16, 2005
The Observer
The old excuse 'I've left my wallet at home' will soon no longer hold
when it's your round. A nightclub is about to offer its regulars the
option of having a microchip implanted in their arm that will obviate
the need to carry cash or plastic.
Queuing for entry or a drink at the bar would also become a thing of the
past when the 'digital wallet' is introduced by Bar Soba in Glasgow. The
chip is already proving popular with VIP members at two nightclubs in
Barcelona and Rotterdam.
While the concept strikes critics as Orwellian, others believe that, as
we stride ever-closer towards a cashless society, it is only a matter of
time before the chip becomes a method of fraud-proof common currency.
Brad Stevens, owner of Bar Soba, said his motivation for introducing the
technology was to be cutting-edge and to reward loyal customers. He said
he had received a surprisingly enthusiastic response from regulars.
'There are a number of advantages from instant access to one of our many
exclusive DJ and VIP nights and not having to carry money or credit
cards to letting bar staff know a customer's name and favourite drink.
By the time you walk through the door to the bar, your favourite drink
is waiting for you and the bar staff can greet you by name.'
However, he also recognised the risks. 'There is a danger that, if a
person's not carrying cash, they could just keep on drinking. But we're
looking at ways of setting a limit on how much can be spent.'
The VeriChip is the size of a grain of rice, does not set off airport
scanners and contains no power supply. It is encased inside a glass and
silicone cylinder and implanted by a medical professional, under local
anaesthetic, between the layer of fat and skin on the upper arm.
The chip, which has a life span of about 20 years, lies dormant until a
scanner is passed over it, sending out a low-range radio frequency. It
responds to the signal and supplies the scanner with its unique ID
number. How that number is used depends on the database the scanner is
hooked up to. In the case of Soba, it will be the balance on a person's
bar account.
Steve van Soest is one of more than 100 people who have been 'chipped'
at Baja Beach Club in Barcelona since it became the first to offer the
procedure in March.
'The main benefit is that you can go out without having to carry a
wallet, which can get easily lost in a nightclub,' he said.
He said he had no reservations about having the chip implanted, adding
that he can only feel it when he stretches his arm.
'It would be great if this catches on and you could put all your
personal details and medical records on it. If I was involved in an
accident, doctors could simply scan me and find out my blood group and
any allergies.'
The chip is similar to more than 25 million already embedded in animals
across the world acting as 'pet passports'. Before being used in humans,
it has undergone stringent tests and doctors say it is extremely safe.
But critics regard this technology as a growing threat, giving
potentially dangerous new power to businesses and government. A recent
report by the American Civil Liberties Union said: 'Scarcely a month
goes by in which we don't read about some new high-tech way to invade
people's privacy, from face recognition to implantable microchips, DNA
chips, and even brain wave fingerprinting.'
***END ARTICLE 2***
From the 'Daily Record':
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=15083994&method=full&sitei
d=89488&headline=the-chip-inn-name_page.html
or click:
***BEGIN ARTICLE 3***
THE CHIP INN Jan 17 2005
Pub to put computers into punters
By Beverley Lyons
A CITY centre pub will soon be welcoming customers with chips on their
shoulders.
But staff at Glasgow's Bar Soba don't expect them to be grumpy - as
their favourite drinks will be ready and waiting.
The chips are actually mini computers - containing a wealth of
information on bar habits - which are inserted into customers.
A monitor which reads the microchip will tell staff what the customer
likes to drink so they can have the tipple ready at the bar.
The £20 Verichip, the size of a grain of rice, is injected under the
skin.
It will enable customers to get drinks and party invites without having
to carry a membership card ... or even cash.
Soba owner Brad Stevens, who launched the plan after hearing about a
similar scheme in Barcelona, said: 'We want to be the first bar to do
this in Scotland.
'The chips will record how many times someone is in here so we can
reward them with free drinks, privileges and vouchers.
'People will have no need to carry cash. The chip will keep count of how
many drinks they've had and how much of a bill they need to settle with
us.'
***END ARTICLE 3***
From:
***BEGIN ARTICLE 4***
09 Dec 2004
Bar Soba to expand operations
The privately-owned Chameleon Leisure group - which is based in Glasgow
and operates the Asian-influenced Bar Soba kitchen/bar brand - is to
introduce the brand to Edinburgh and England.
Key English cities will be targeted and, depending on the site size,
each new unit will have a minimum investment of £1m with over 50 new
jobs created.
Since opening on Glasgow’s Mitchell Lane in 2001, Bar Soba has tripled
turnover to £1m this year.
Bar Soba is split across two levels with the ground floor focused on
drinks and featuring a bar serviced by fully-trained mixologists and an
underground restaurant that has speciality dishes such as spicy chicken
and coconut samosa, sushi platters and ginger chicken ramen broth.
Chameleon Leisure intends to buy each site it occupies, although it
would also be interested in speaking to both developers - if they have
the right property to move the Bar Soba brand forward in terms of a
strategic partnership - and independent hotels or boutique chains in
terms of a destination bar.
Chameleon Leisure’s owner, Brad Stevens, said: "We are continually
carrying out detailed market research to enable us to source the best
locations and I’m actively searching for suitable sites to introduce the
Bar Soba concept to Edinburgh.
"We will be working from the blueprint which has proven so successful to
date, but each unit will be distinctive and have its own design and
ambience." Details: www.barsoba.co.uk
***END ARTICLE 4***
Some of us have been attuned to the way the wind is blowing for some
time...
Others, who would normally sneer that believing this is happening is
akin to thinking Elvis lives on the moon, are keeping shtum, a bit
scared to sneer as they would usually want to...
Still others tend to keep quiet more of the time, and are slowly getting
used to the idea that soon it will become common knowledge that this is
happening, just as it became common knowledge about 5 years ago that all
mobile phones are tracked...
Spread this info as widely as possible... Discuss it... This is real...
--
banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)
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| | From: | Martin Noakes | | Subject: | Re: microchip arm implants used at Glasgow nightclub | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:36:37 -0000 |
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| Here's another link to the same story in a different newspaper.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1391545,00.html
Martin
"banana" wrote in message
news:Ws3dTLAouH7BFwX9@borve.demon.co.uk...
> Microchips implanted in the arm are to be used at the Bar Soba night
> club in Glasgow, number 11, Mitchell Lane.
>
> The following articles are from the 'Daily Telegraph', the 'Observer',
> and the 'Daily Record', followed by an article about the company that
> owns the bar and plans to open similar bars across the UK.
>
>
> From:
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/01/17/nchip17.
> xml&sSheet=/news/2005/01/17/ixhome.html
> or click: :
>
> ***BEGIN ARTICLE 1***
>
> Microchip to allow wallet-free drinking
>
> By Auslan Cramb, Scottish Correspondent
> (Filed: 17/01/2005)
>
> A Scottish nightclub is about to become the first in Britain to offer
> its customers the chance to have a microchip implanted in their arm to
> save them carrying cash.
>
> The "digital wallet", the size of a grain of rice, guarantees entry to
> the club and allows customers to buy drinks on account. Brad Stevens,
> owner of Bar Soba in Glasgow, said his customers had responded
> enthusiastically to the idea.
>
> The VeriChip is inserted by a medical professional and then scanned for
> its unique ID number as a customer enters the bar.
>
> "There are a number of advantages, from instant access, to not having to
> carry money or credit cards, to letting bar staff know a customer's name
> and favourite drink," said Mr Stevens. "By the time you walk through the
> door to the bar, your favourite drink is waiting for you and the bar
> staff can greet you by name."
>
> However, he said the bar would also have to make sure that customers
> with the chip had a limit on how much they could spend to prevent them
> drinking beyond their ability to pay.
>
> The scheme was criticised by a spokesman for the Scottish Executive, who
> said the microchip could encourage excessive drinking, and by Notags, a
> consumer group set up to resist the spread of radio frequency
> identification devices.
>
> A spokesman said: "The chip contains your name and ID number and, as
> this could be read remotely without your knowledge, that is already too
> much information."
>
> ***END ARTICLE 1***
>
> From:
>
> http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cache:olDwE_JPP-8J:observer.guardian.co
> .uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1391545,00.html
> (Google cache)
> or click:
>
> ***BEGIN ARTICLE 2***
>
> This chip makes sure you always buy your round
>
> Lorna Martin
> Sunday January 16, 2005
> The Observer
>
> The old excuse 'I've left my wallet at home' will soon no longer hold
> when it's your round. A nightclub is about to offer its regulars the
> option of having a microchip implanted in their arm that will obviate
> the need to carry cash or plastic.
> Queuing for entry or a drink at the bar would also become a thing of the
> past when the 'digital wallet' is introduced by Bar Soba in Glasgow. The
> chip is already proving popular with VIP members at two nightclubs in
> Barcelona and Rotterdam.
>
> While the concept strikes critics as Orwellian, others believe that, as
> we stride ever-closer towards a cashless society, it is only a matter of
> time before the chip becomes a method of fraud-proof common currency.
>
> Brad Stevens, owner of Bar Soba, said his motivation for introducing the
> technology was to be cutting-edge and to reward loyal customers. He said
> he had received a surprisingly enthusiastic response from regulars.
>
> 'There are a number of advantages from instant access to one of our many
> exclusive DJ and VIP nights and not having to carry money or credit
> cards to letting bar staff know a customer's name and favourite drink.
> By the time you walk through the door to the bar, your favourite drink
> is waiting for you and the bar staff can greet you by name.'
>
> However, he also recognised the risks. 'There is a danger that, if a
> person's not carrying cash, they could just keep on drinking. But we're
> looking at ways of setting a limit on how much can be spent.'
>
> The VeriChip is the size of a grain of rice, does not set off airport
> scanners and contains no power supply. It is encased inside a glass and
> silicone cylinder and implanted by a medical professional, under local
> anaesthetic, between the layer of fat and skin on the upper arm.
>
> The chip, which has a life span of about 20 years, lies dormant until a
> scanner is passed over it, sending out a low-range radio frequency. It
> responds to the signal and supplies the scanner with its unique ID
> number. How that number is used depends on the database the scanner is
> hooked up to. In the case of Soba, it will be the balance on a person's
> bar account.
>
> Steve van Soest is one of more than 100 people who have been 'chipped'
> at Baja Beach Club in Barcelona since it became the first to offer the
> procedure in March.
>
> 'The main benefit is that you can go out without having to carry a
> wallet, which can get easily lost in a nightclub,' he said.
>
> He said he had no reservations about having the chip implanted, adding
> that he can only feel it when he stretches his arm.
>
> 'It would be great if this catches on and you could put all your
> personal details and medical records on it. If I was involved in an
> accident, doctors could simply scan me and find out my blood group and
> any allergies.'
>
> The chip is similar to more than 25 million already embedded in animals
> across the world acting as 'pet passports'. Before being used in humans,
> it has undergone stringent tests and doctors say it is extremely safe.
>
> But critics regard this technology as a growing threat, giving
> potentially dangerous new power to businesses and government. A recent
> report by the American Civil Liberties Union said: 'Scarcely a month
> goes by in which we don't read about some new high-tech way to invade
> people's privacy, from face recognition to implantable microchips, DNA
> chips, and even brain wave fingerprinting.'
>
> ***END ARTICLE 2***
>
> From the 'Daily Record':
>
> http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=15083994&method=full&sitei
> d=89488&headline=the-chip-inn-name_page.html
> or click:
>
> ***BEGIN ARTICLE 3***
>
> THE CHIP INN Jan 17 2005
>
>
> Pub to put computers into punters
>
> By Beverley Lyons
>
>
>
> A CITY centre pub will soon be welcoming customers with chips on their
> shoulders.
>
> But staff at Glasgow's Bar Soba don't expect them to be grumpy - as
> their favourite drinks will be ready and waiting.
>
> The chips are actually mini computers - containing a wealth of
> information on bar habits - which are inserted into customers.
>
> A monitor which reads the microchip will tell staff what the customer
> likes to drink so they can have the tipple ready at the bar.
>
> The £20 Verichip, the size of a grain of rice, is injected under the
> skin.
>
> It will enable customers to get drinks and party invites without having
> to carry a membership card ... or even cash.
>
> Soba owner Brad Stevens, who launched the plan after hearing about a
> similar scheme in Barcelona, said: 'We want to be the first bar to do
> this in Scotland.
>
> 'The chips will record how many times someone is in here so we can
> reward them with free drinks, privileges and vouchers.
>
> 'People will have no need to carry cash. The chip will keep count of how
> many drinks they've had and how much of a bill they need to settle with
> us.'
>
> ***END ARTICLE 3***
>
> From:
>
>
>
> ***BEGIN ARTICLE 4***
>
> 09 Dec 2004
>
> Bar Soba to expand operations
>
> The privately-owned Chameleon Leisure group - which is based in Glasgow
> and operates the Asian-influenced Bar Soba kitchen/bar brand - is to
> introduce the brand to Edinburgh and England.
>
> Key English cities will be targeted and, depending on the site size,
> each new unit will have a minimum investment of £1m with over 50 new
> jobs created.
>
> Since opening on Glasgow's Mitchell Lane in 2001, Bar Soba has tripled
> turnover to £1m this year.
>
> Bar Soba is split across two levels with the ground floor focused on
> drinks and featuring a bar serviced by fully-trained mixologists and an
> underground restaurant that has speciality dishes such as spicy chicken
> and coconut samosa, sushi platters and ginger chicken ramen broth.
>
> Chameleon Leisure intends to buy each site it occupies, although it
> would also be interested in speaking to both developers - if they have
> the right property to move the Bar Soba brand forward in terms of a
> strategic partnership - and independent hotels or boutique chains in
> terms of a destination bar.
>
> Chameleon Leisure's owner, Brad Stevens, said: "We are continually
> carrying out detailed market research to enable us to source the best
> locations and I'm actively searching for suitable sites to introduce the
> Bar Soba concept to Edinburgh.
>
> "We will be working from the blueprint which has proven so successful to
> date, but each unit will be distinctive and have its own design and
> ambience." Details: www.barsoba.co.uk
>
> ***END ARTICLE 4***
>
>
>
> Some of us have been attuned to the way the wind is blowing for some
> time...
>
> Others, who would normally sneer that believing this is happening is
> akin to thinking Elvis lives on the moon, are keeping shtum, a bit
> scared to sneer as they would usually want to...
>
> Still others tend to keep quiet more of the time, and are slowly getting
> used to the idea that soon it will become common knowledge that this is
> happening, just as it became common knowledge about 5 years ago that all
> mobile phones are tracked...
>
>
> Spread this info as widely as possible... Discuss it... This is real...
>
>
> --
> banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
> give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
> Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
> rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)
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| | From: | Robert Henderson | | Subject: | Re: microchip arm implants used at Glasgow nightclub | | Date: | Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:13:22 +0000 |
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| In article <358e8nF4h1cdtU1@individual.net>, Steve Frazer pamfreeworld.com> writes
>> Not seen or heard of it in years of going to many nightclubs in
>> and around Glasgow. Not to say it doesn't happen though. However, I
>> have heard of the odd handbag go missing.
>
>I had two reports in my in-tray for just that from one weekend at xmas. I
>know there are many more :-( That doesn't include all those who lose their
>wallets/handbags outside afterwards whilst pissed up.
>--
Are you now claiming to be a copper? RH
--
Robert Henderson
philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
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| | From: | banana | | Subject: | Re: microchip arm implants used at Glasgow nightclub | | Date: | Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:52:40 +0000 |
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|
| In article <41f1a632$0$25917$a8266bb1@news.titannews.com>, Ian Smith
writes
>"Martin Noakes" wrote in message
>news:41efbfff$0$15367$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com...
> However, I would object to being forced to use credit for my
>day-to-day business, since "ID-based purchasing" would put an end to
>anonymous cash. And such ID-based purchasing would have an overall
>"big brother" feel to it because the government would own the
>database, and therefore control your "credit rating".
Debt is not freedom. Far more importantly, the secret police would have
a record of everything you bought and when and where you bought it. The
trend is towards almost all shop-bought items, every banknote, and
almost every person, being individually tracked the whole time.
I am sometimes amazed at the number of people who use store 'loyalty'
cards. Not in the US, where I understand that things are often
considerably cheaper for those who use such cards, and many poorer
people can be considerably worse off when they don't use them, but in
the UK, where this isn't the case. People who aren't in the poorest part
of the population use them, and get 'gifts' and 'rebates' which are much
smaller in value than the reduction in their bills would be if they
bought 'own brand' or cheap range' products instead of others.
Electronic records are kept of all 'loyalty card' users' purchasers,
down to the minute. The sad fact is that many people don't give a damn,
they get them because they are sold with connotations of happiness,
stability, good sense, and the feeling of being 'normal'.
How widespread are they in other countries such as France or Germany?
I'd be interested to know.
It is remarkable how the reigning spectacle encourages people both to
'save' and to get into debt at the same time.
--
banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)
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| | From: | Frank F. Matthews | | Subject: | Re: microchip arm implants used at Glasgow nightclub | | Date: | Sat, 22 Jan 2005 02:50:22 GMT |
|
|
|
banana wrote:
> In article <41f1a632$0$25917$a8266bb1@news.titannews.com>, Ian Smith
> writes
>
>
>>"Martin Noakes" wrote in message
>>news:41efbfff$0$15367$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com...
>
>
>
>
>> However, I would object to being forced to use credit for my
>>day-to-day business, since "ID-based purchasing" would put an end to
>>anonymous cash. And such ID-based purchasing would have an overall
>>"big brother" feel to it because the government would own the
>>database, and therefore control your "credit rating".
>
>
> Debt is not freedom. Far more importantly, the secret police would have
> a record of everything you bought and when and where you bought it. The
> trend is towards almost all shop-bought items, every banknote, and
> almost every person, being individually tracked the whole time.
>
> I am sometimes amazed at the number of people who use store 'loyalty'
> cards. Not in the US, where I understand that things are often
> considerably cheaper for those who use such cards, and many poorer
> people can be considerably worse off when they don't use them, but in
> the UK, where this isn't the case.
Loyalty cards do save money in the US and there is no attempt to track
the validity of the information that you put down on the form. Not much
good for tracking if you pay cash.
> People who aren't in the poorest part
> of the population use them, and get 'gifts' and 'rebates' which are much
> smaller in value than the reduction in their bills would be if they
> bought 'own brand' or cheap range' products instead of others.
> Electronic records are kept of all 'loyalty card' users' purchasers,
> down to the minute. The sad fact is that many people don't give a damn,
> they get them because they are sold with connotations of happiness,
> stability, good sense, and the feeling of being 'normal'.
>
> How widespread are they in other countries such as France or Germany?
> I'd be interested to know.
>
> It is remarkable how the reigning spectacle encourages people both to
> 'save' and to get into debt at the same time.
>
|
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| | From: | Ian Smith | | Subject: | Re: microchip arm implants used at Glasgow nightclub | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:12:11 -0000 |
|
|
|
> 'The main benefit is that you can go out without having to carry a
> wallet, which can get easily lost in a nightclub,' he said.
Never knew anyone who lost their wallet in a nightclub. Rather
poor excuse to be "wearing" an ID system which can be scanned by
others without your knowledge.
> He said he had no reservations about having the chip implanted,
> adding
> that he can only feel it when he stretches his arm.
>
> 'It would be great if this catches on and you could put all your
> personal details and medical records on it. If I was involved in an
> accident, doctors could simply scan me and find out my blood group
> and
> any allergies.'
>
> The chip is similar to more than 25 million already embedded in
> animals
> across the world acting as 'pet passports'. Before being used in
> humans,
> it has undergone stringent tests and doctors say it is extremely
> safe.
>
> But critics regard this technology as a growing threat, giving
> potentially dangerous new power to businesses and government. A
> recent
> report by the American Civil Liberties Union said: 'Scarcely a month
> goes by in which we don't read about some new high-tech way to
> invade
> people's privacy, from face recognition to implantable microchips,
> DNA
> chips, and even brain wave fingerprinting.'
>
I don't care what people use the chips for privately, but I do
care that governments will eventually try to force them upon the
citizens (after compulsory ID cards), in order so that they can extend
powers insidiously.
The end of cash means more than just not having those bits of
paper in your wallet. It's a fundamental shift away from the basic
freedom to conduct commerce and personal business in privacy (eg.
buying bread), and without seeking approval from a centralised
database, whose data can be manipulated by various unaccountable
organisations for their own benefit.
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| | From: | Steve Frazer | | Subject: | Re: microchip arm implants used at Glasgow nightclub | | Date: | Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:46:59 -0000 |
|
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| "Ian Smith" wrote in message
news:41ed5b5c$0$25908$a8266bb1@news.titannews.com...
>
>
> > 'The main benefit is that you can go out without having to carry a
> > wallet, which can get easily lost in a nightclub,' he said.
>
> Never knew anyone who lost their wallet in a nightclub. Rather
> poor excuse to be "wearing" an ID system which can be scanned by
> others without your knowledge.
You are joking? It's very common indeed.
--
Steve Frazer
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steve_frazer/index.html
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| | From: | Ian Smith | | Subject: | Re: microchip arm implants used at Glasgow nightclub | | Date: | Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:29:05 -0000 |
|
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| "Steve Frazer" wrote in message
news:355lstF4aogh6U1@individual.net...
> "Ian Smith" wrote in message
> news:41ed5b5c$0$25908$a8266bb1@news.titannews.com...
>>
>>
>> > 'The main benefit is that you can go out without having to carry
>> > a
>> > wallet, which can get easily lost in a nightclub,' he said.
>>
>> Never knew anyone who lost their wallet in a nightclub. Rather
>> poor excuse to be "wearing" an ID system which can be scanned by
>> others without your knowledge.
>
> You are joking? It's very common indeed.
> --
>
>
> Steve Frazer
>
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steve_frazer/index.html
Not seen or heard of it in years of going to many nightclubs in
and around Glasgow. Not to say it doesn't happen though. However, I
have heard of the odd handbag go missing.
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| | From: | Steve Frazer | | Subject: | Re: microchip arm implants used at Glasgow nightclub | | Date: | Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:55:53 -0000 |
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| "Ian Smith" wrote in message
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> "Steve Frazer" wrote in message
> news:355lstF4aogh6U1@individual.net...
> > "Ian Smith" wrote in message
> > news:41ed5b5c$0$25908$a8266bb1@news.titannews.com...
> >>
> >>
> >> > 'The main benefit is that you can go out without having to carry
> >> > a
> >> > wallet, which can get easily lost in a nightclub,' he said.
> >>
> >> Never knew anyone who lost their wallet in a nightclub. Rather
> >> poor excuse to be "wearing" an ID system which can be scanned by
> >> others without your knowledge.
> >
> > You are joking? It's very common indeed.
>
> Not seen or heard of it in years of going to many nightclubs in
> and around Glasgow. Not to say it doesn't happen though. However, I
> have heard of the odd handbag go missing.
I had two reports in my in-tray for just that from one weekend at xmas. I
know there are many more :-( That doesn't include all those who lose their
wallets/handbags outside afterwards whilst pissed up.
--
Steve Frazer
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steve_frazer/index.html
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| | From: | Robert Peffers | | Subject: | Re: microchip arm implants used at Glasgow nightclub | | Date: | Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:17:10 -0000 |
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| "Steve Frazer" wrote in message
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> "Ian Smith" wrote in message
> news:41eedb01$0$25827$a8266bb1@news.titannews.com...
>> "Steve Frazer" wrote in message
>> news:355lstF4aogh6U1@individual.net...
>> > "Ian Smith" wrote in message
>> > news:41ed5b5c$0$25908$a8266bb1@news.titannews.com...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > 'The main benefit is that you can go out without having to carry
>> >> > a
>> >> > wallet, which can get easily lost in a nightclub,' he said.
>> >>
>> >> Never knew anyone who lost their wallet in a nightclub. Rather
>> >> poor excuse to be "wearing" an ID system which can be scanned by
>> >> others without your knowledge.
>> >
>> > You are joking? It's very common indeed.
>>
>> Not seen or heard of it in years of going to many nightclubs in
>> and around Glasgow. Not to say it doesn't happen though. However, I
>> have heard of the odd handbag go missing.
>
> I had two reports in my in-tray for just that from one weekend at xmas. I
> know there are many more :-( That doesn't include all those who lose
> their
> wallets/handbags outside afterwards whilst pissed up.
> --
>
>
> Steve Frazer
>
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steve_frazer/index.html
>
>
Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
Perhaps there is a little conflict of terminology here? Were the reports
about, lost, stolen or strayed?
--
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Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
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| | From: | Steve Frazer | | Subject: | Re: microchip arm implants used at Glasgow nightclub | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:57:41 -0000 |
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| "Robert Peffers" wrote in message
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> "Steve Frazer" wrote in message
> news:358e8nF4h1cdtU1@individual.net...
> > I had two reports in my in-tray for just that from one weekend at xmas.
I
> > know there are many more :-( That doesn't include all those who lose
> > their
> > wallets/handbags outside afterwards whilst pissed up.
> > --
> >
> Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
> Perhaps there is a little conflict of terminology here? Were the reports
> about, lost, stolen or strayed?
Stolen unfortunately. Although the stupidity of someone leaving their bag
unattended does make you wonder what planet these people are on!
--
Steve Frazer
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steve_frazer/index.html
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| | From: | Robert Peffers | | Subject: | Re: microchip arm implants used at Glasgow nightclub | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:53:28 -0000 |
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"Steve Frazer" wrote in message
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> "Robert Peffers" wrote in message
> news:csolic$4ft$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> "Steve Frazer" wrote in message
>> news:358e8nF4h1cdtU1@individual.net...
>> > I had two reports in my in-tray for just that from one weekend at xmas.
> I
>> > know there are many more :-( That doesn't include all those who lose
>> > their
>> > wallets/handbags outside afterwards whilst pissed up.
>> > --
>> >
>> Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
>> Perhaps there is a little conflict of terminology here? Were the reports
>> about, lost, stolen or strayed?
>
> Stolen unfortunately. Although the stupidity of someone leaving their bag
> unattended does make you wonder what planet these people are on!
> --
>
>
> Steve Frazer
>
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steve_frazer/index.html
>
>
Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
Perhaps that would be better defined as, "it makes one wonder what they are
on", rather that which planet they are on.
--
Aefauldlie, (Scots word for Honestly),
Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Web Site, "The Eck's Files":- http://www.peffers50.freeserve.co.uk
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| | From: | banana | | Subject: | Re: microchip arm implants used at Glasgow nightclub | | Date: | Thu, 20 Jan 2005 01:44:32 +0000 |
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| In article , banana HIS.borve.demon.co.uk> writes
>Microchips implanted in the arm are to be used at the Bar Soba night
>club in Glasgow, number 11, Mitchell Lane.
In Taiwan this was reported under the headline:
"Chip implant makes its debut at VIP British club"
As in, 'Get with it!', 'Tomorrow's World is Here', 'And We're Off!'
As far as I know, not a single newspaper has quoted anyone in Glasgow
who has been chipped.
--
banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)
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| | From: | Martin Noakes | | Subject: | Re: microchip arm implants used at Glasgow nightclub | | Date: | Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:23:58 -0000 |
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| I was waiting for something like this to be reported. I reckon that they
have deliberately underplayed the death toll from the Tsunami in order to
sell the micro-chip. "We could have told you how many people had die if only
they were micro-chipped. It would also have made identifying the dead
quicker, easier, and less painful for the families involved". You get my
drift?
If we say no to just one thing, I truly hope we can reject the implanting of
micro-chips inmto humans or true freedom will have dissapeared for good!
Martin
"banana" wrote in message
news:ab9u+RBA0w7BFwln@borve.demon.co.uk...
> In article , banana > HIS.borve.demon.co.uk> writes
>
> >Microchips implanted in the arm are to be used at the Bar Soba night
> >club in Glasgow, number 11, Mitchell Lane.
>
> In Taiwan this was reported under the headline:
>
> "Chip implant makes its debut at VIP British club"
>
> As in, 'Get with it!', 'Tomorrow's World is Here', 'And We're Off!'
>
> As far as I know, not a single newspaper has quoted anyone in Glasgow
> who has been chipped.
>
> --
> banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
> give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
> Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
> rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)
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| | From: | Robert Henderson | | Subject: | Re: microchip arm implants used at Glasgow nightclub | | Date: | Sat, 22 Jan 2005 06:41:28 +0000 |
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| In article <35c5nlF4jgk92U1@individual.net>, Steve Frazer pamfreeworld.com> writes
>> > wallets/handbags outside afterwards whilst pissed up.
>> > --
>> >
>> Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
>> Perhaps there is a little conflict of terminology here? Were the reports
>> about, lost, stolen or strayed?
>
>Stolen unfortunately. Although the stupidity of someone leaving their bag
>unattended does make you wonder what planet these people are on!
>--
>
What, creature, no answer to the question are you pretending to be a
copper? RH
--
Robert Henderson
philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
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| | From: | banana | | Subject: | Re: microchip arm implants used at Glasgow nightclub | | Date: | Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:21:03 +0000 |
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| In article <41ef78e7$0$22871$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>, Martin
Noakes writes
>I was waiting for something like this to be reported. I reckon that they
>have deliberately underplayed the death toll from the Tsunami in order to
>sell the micro-chip. "We could have told you how many people had die if only
>they were micro-chipped. It would also have made identifying the dead
>quicker, easier, and less painful for the families involved". You get my
>drift?
>
>If we say no to just one thing, I truly hope we can reject the implanting of
>micro-chips inmto humans or true freedom will have dissapeared for good!
>
>Martin
One good thing is that many people will resist this. Getting a chip in
your arm isn't like getting a licence plate on your car!
I should imagine though that 'crisis fever' will be built up, to help
create the 'need' for it and to try to isolate the opponents as being
'anti-social'.
Best regards,
banana
>"banana" wrote in message
>news:ab9u+RBA0w7BFwln@borve.demon.co.uk...
>> In article , banana >> HIS.borve.demon.co.uk> writes
>>
>> >Microchips implanted in the arm are to be used at the Bar Soba night
>> >club in Glasgow, number 11, Mitchell Lane.
>>
>> In Taiwan this was reported under the headline:
>>
>> "Chip implant makes its debut at VIP British club"
>>
>> As in, 'Get with it!', 'Tomorrow's World is Here', 'And We're Off!'
--
banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)
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| | From: | Martin Noakes | | Subject: | Re: microchip arm implants used at Glasgow nightclub | | Date: | Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:26:11 -0000 |
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| I agree,
I think that those of us who realise the implications will need to come up
with very good answers to stop your average person from accepting the chip.
As I expect they will use moments of terror and chaos to confuse and
bewilder people.
Here in the U.K we don't have I.D cards and there are quite a lot of people
against the introduction of them, I view them as a stepping stone to the
micro-chip.
I.D cards won't work properly and people will have them stolen etc. This
will lead to the solution: Have a micro-chip and no one can steal it etc!
Martin
"banana" wrote in message
news:$giXAWA$A77BFwSe@borve.demon.co.uk...
> In article <41ef78e7$0$22871$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>, Martin
> Noakes writes
>
> >I was waiting for something like this to be reported. I reckon that they
> >have deliberately underplayed the death toll from the Tsunami in order to
> >sell the micro-chip. "We could have told you how many people had die if
only
> >they were micro-chipped. It would also have made identifying the dead
> >quicker, easier, and less painful for the families involved". You get my
> >drift?
> >
> >If we say no to just one thing, I truly hope we can reject the implanting
of
> >micro-chips inmto humans or true freedom will have dissapeared for good!
> >
> >Martin
>
> One good thing is that many people will resist this. Getting a chip in
> your arm isn't like getting a licence plate on your car!
>
> I should imagine though that 'crisis fever' will be built up, to help
> create the 'need' for it and to try to isolate the opponents as being
> 'anti-social'.
>
> Best regards,
>
> banana
>
> >"banana" wrote in message
> >news:ab9u+RBA0w7BFwln@borve.demon.co.uk...
> >> In article , banana
> >> HIS.borve.demon.co.uk> writes
> >>
> >> >Microchips implanted in the arm are to be used at the Bar Soba night
> >> >club in Glasgow, number 11, Mitchell Lane.
> >>
> >> In Taiwan this was reported under the headline:
> >>
> >> "Chip implant makes its debut at VIP British club"
> >>
> >> As in, 'Get with it!', 'Tomorrow's World is Here', 'And We're Off!'
>
> --
> banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
> give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
> Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
> rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)
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| | From: | Martin Noakes | | Subject: | Re: microchip arm implants used at Glasgow nightclub | | Date: | Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:27:07 -0000 |
|
|
| I agree,
I think that those of us who realise the implications will need to come up
with very good answers to stop your average person from accepting the chip.
As I expect they will use moments of terror and chaos to confuse and
bewilder people.
Here in the U.K we don't have I.D cards and there are quite a lot of people
against the introduction of them, I view them as a stepping stone to the
micro-chip.
I.D cards won't work properly and people will have them stolen etc. This
will lead to the solution: Have a micro-chip and no one can steal it etc!
Martin
"banana" wrote in message
news:$giXAWA$A77BFwSe@borve.demon.co.uk...
> In article <41ef78e7$0$22871$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>, Martin
> Noakes writes
>
> >I was waiting for something like this to be reported. I reckon that they
> >have deliberately underplayed the death toll from the Tsunami in order to
> >sell the micro-chip. "We could have told you how many people had die if
only
> >they were micro-chipped. It would also have made identifying the dead
> >quicker, easier, and less painful for the families involved". You get my
> >drift?
> >
> >If we say no to just one thing, I truly hope we can reject the implanting
of
> >micro-chips inmto humans or true freedom will have dissapeared for good!
> >
> >Martin
>
> One good thing is that many people will resist this. Getting a chip in
> your arm isn't like getting a licence plate on your car!
>
> I should imagine though that 'crisis fever' will be built up, to help
> create the 'need' for it and to try to isolate the opponents as being
> 'anti-social'.
>
> Best regards,
>
> banana
>
> >"banana" wrote in message
> >news:ab9u+RBA0w7BFwln@borve.demon.co.uk...
> >> In article , banana
> >> HIS.borve.demon.co.uk> writes
> >>
> >> >Microchips implanted in the arm are to be used at the Bar Soba night
> >> >club in Glasgow, number 11, Mitchell Lane.
> >>
> >> In Taiwan this was reported under the headline:
> >>
> >> "Chip implant makes its debut at VIP British club"
> >>
> >> As in, 'Get with it!', 'Tomorrow's World is Here', 'And We're Off!'
>
> --
> banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
> give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
> Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
> rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)
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| | From: | Ian Smith | | Subject: | Re: microchip arm implants used at Glasgow nightclub | | Date: | Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:20:44 -0000 |
|
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| "Martin Noakes" wrote in message
news:41efbfff$0$15367$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com...
>I agree,
>
> I think that those of us who realise the implications will need to
> come up
> with very good answers to stop your average person from accepting
> the chip.
> As I expect they will use moments of terror and chaos to confuse and
> bewilder people.
>
> Here in the U.K we don't have I.D cards and there are quite a lot of
> people
> against the introduction of them, I view them as a stepping stone to
> the
> micro-chip.
>
> I.D cards won't work properly and people will have them stolen etc.
> This
> will lead to the solution: Have a micro-chip and no one can steal it
> etc!
>
> Martin
I agree. People think I'm paranoid when speaking out against ID
cards or chips. I prefer anonymous cash; not because I have anything
to hide, but because I have nothing to show either. It's called
personal freedom, and is a basic human right. Anonymous cash backs up
that right.
By the way, I do use credit cards from time to time, especially
when ordering stuff online. But I choose to do that voluntarily, in
order to receive prompt service and the back-up of my creditor if
something should go wrong with the transaction.
However, I would object to being forced to use credit for my
day-to-day business, since "ID-based purchasing" would put an end to
anonymous cash. And such ID-based purchasing would have an overall
"big brother" feel to it because the government would own the
database, and therefore control your "credit rating". Would you trust
the government with your (electronic) money?
Ian
--
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| | From: | banana | | Subject: | Re: microchip arm implants used at Glasgow nightclub | | Date: | Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:36:21 +0000 |
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| In article <2BLj6eAii97BFwwD@anywhere.demon.co.uk>, Robert Henderson
writes
>In article <358e8nF4h1cdtU1@individual.net>, Steve Frazer >pamfreeworld.com> writes
>>> Not seen or heard of it in years of going to many nightclubs in
>>> and around Glasgow. Not to say it doesn't happen though. However, I
>>> have heard of the odd handbag go missing.
>>
>>I had two reports in my in-tray for just that from one weekend at xmas. I
>>know there are many more :-( That doesn't include all those who lose their
>>wallets/handbags outside afterwards whilst pissed up.
>Are you now claiming to be a copper? RH
In Glasgow, cops prefer the kind of theft where a bar is broken into
outside of working hours. Then they get crates of free booze on the
house, all claimed off the insurance.
--
banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)
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| | From: | banana | | Subject: | Re: microchip arm implants used at Glasgow nightclub | | Date: | Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:24:04 +0000 |
|
|
| In article , Frank F. Matthews
writes
>banana wrote:
>
>> In article <41f1a632$0$25917$a8266bb1@news.titannews.com>, Ian Smith
>> writes
>>
>>
>>>"Martin Noakes" wrote in message
>>>news:41efbfff$0$15367$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com...
>> I am sometimes amazed at the number of people who use store 'loyalty'
>> cards. Not in the US, where I understand that things are often
>> considerably cheaper for those who use such cards, and many poorer
>> people can be considerably worse off when they don't use them, but in
>> the UK, where this isn't the case.
>Loyalty cards do save money in the US and there is no attempt to track
>the validity of the information that you put down on the form. Not much
>good for tracking if you pay cash.
In the UK it is definitely very easy to get 'loyalty' card having given
false information.
How do you know there is no attempt to check the info given? This can't
be deduced from the fact that cards aren't withdrawn from those who have
given false information. The same people collect this data as have large
databases of information collected from other sources.
Also, excuse my ignorance, but in the US are there ever ID checks when
people apply for the cards? The reason I ask is, I know people at the
moment are 'ID'd' more in the US than in the UK. Also, are they given to
people in the shops or sent to the address supplied?
--
banana "The thing I hate about you, Rowntree, is the way you
give Coca-Cola to your scum, and your best teddy-bear to
Oxfam, and expect us to lick your frigid fingers for the
rest of your frigid life." (Mick Travis, 'If...', 1968)
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