http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/letters.cfm?id=69452005

Thu 20 Jan 2005

Follow Ireland's lead

The fact that the Republic of Ireland is about to become the third
wealthiest per capita global economy after Luxembourg and Norway should make
Scots stop and think.

Ireland has now achieved things economically that could never have been
achieved if it was not independent. A year ago, it expected to have a budget
deficit of around £2 billion, but this turned into a small £20 million
surplus, thanks to the performance of the Irish economy, which is expected
to continue its remarkable success by growing by 5 per cent in 2005.

Scotland could perhaps be in the company of our neighbours, Norway and
Ireland, if people stopped listening to those who claim falsely that
Scotland cannot stand on its own two feet.

Meanwhile, in the United Kingdom, the actual budget deficit is more than £30
billion. Perhaps the Chancellor, Gordon Brown, could learn a few things from
Irish finance minister, Brian Cowen, and his predecessor, Charlie McCreevy.

ANGUS B MACNEIL
Tangasdale
Barra

From:	Robert Henderson
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 07:10:05 +0000

In article , Richard Tobin
writes
>In article ,
>Robert Henderson wrote:
>
>>With the aid of an EU derived subsidy, largely paid for by England and
>>Germany, of more than £1000 per head. RH
>
>Fiendishly clever, those Irish, aren't they?
>

No, fiendishly addicted to holding their hands out. RH

>-- Richard

--
Robert Henderson
philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

From:	Jackie Mulheron
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:55:46 -0000

From:	Michilín
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:00:45 GMT

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 07:10:05 +0000, Robert Henderson
wrote:

>In article , Richard Tobin
> writes
>>In article ,
>>Robert Henderson wrote:
>>
>>>With the aid of an EU derived subsidy, largely paid for by England and
>>>Germany, of more than £1000 per head. RH
>>
>>Fiendishly clever, those Irish, aren't they?
>>
>
>No, fiendishly addicted to holding their hands out. RH

Jealously, as always, gets you nowhere.

How typical that you denigrate the Irish instead of admiring them for
making lemonade out of the lemons like the legacy England left them.

Scotland took grass-fed beef from Scotland's Lowlands and came up with
Aberdeen Angus steak!!!

England took grass-fed beef from Argentina's pampas and came up with
Spam?

England's National Motto - "Think small".

What a bunch of losers!

Michilín

From:	Robert Peffers
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:44:51 -0000

"Robert Henderson" wrote in message
news:143z0FBN308BFw66@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
> In article , Richard Tobin
> writes
>>In article ,
>>Robert Henderson wrote:
>>
>>>With the aid of an EU derived subsidy, largely paid for by England and
>>>Germany, of more than £1000 per head. RH
>>
>>Fiendishly clever, those Irish, aren't they?
>>
>
> No, fiendishly addicted to holding their hands out. RH
>
>>-- Richard
>
> --
> Robert Henderson
> philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
> Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
> Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
This from the city that is home to, the £325 grand, (Young Duke of York(,
who ran up a £325 grand travel bill mainly to fly to Scotland for casual
games of golf with his young brother, Harry, "Sieg Heil", Windsor. It is a
trait among Londoners, they all benefit from extra travel subsidy from the
whole of the UK.
--

Aefauldlie, (Scots word for Honestly),
Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Web Site, "The Eck's Files":- http://www.peffers50.freeserve.co.uk

From:	Robert Henderson
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:27:13 +0000

In article <35hod9F4njet8U1@individual.net>, Jackie Mulheron
writes
>> farmers which bumps up the subsidy. RH
>
>Oh the seething jealousy that reeks from you Rab. Maybe you should be
>turning your ire on a Westminster Government who let the number of
>individual farmers decline thus meaning that any CAP grants would be paid to
>fewer people in larger amounts - larger amounts which would not be
>guarenteed to find their way into local economies but probably into
>investments on the international tock markets.
>
The idea that one should shape a vital industry such as farming simply
to gain subsidies is typical of the Scotch mind's natural instinct for a
hand out. RH

>The UK's failure to realise that is not Ireland's fault.
>
>

--
Robert Henderson
philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

From:	Jackie Mulheron
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:54:20 -0000

"Robert Henderson" wrote in message
news:oxokGKAx598BFwp9@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
> In article <35hod9F4njet8U1@individual.net>, Jackie Mulheron
> writes
>>> farmers which bumps up the subsidy. RH
>>
>>Oh the seething jealousy that reeks from you Rab. Maybe you should be
>>turning your ire on a Westminster Government who let the number of
>>individual farmers decline thus meaning that any CAP grants would be paid
>>to
>>fewer people in larger amounts - larger amounts which would not be
>>guarenteed to find their way into local economies but probably into
>>investments on the international tock markets.
>>
> The idea that one should shape a vital industry such as farming simply
> to gain subsidies is typical of the Scotch mind's natural instinct for a
> hand out. RH

But they didn't shape it, it was already there. They just saw an opportunity
in it kick start local economies by keeping farmers small to medium or in
co-operatives.

Your attitude just shows why they have gained and the UK has lost.

Bully for them.

>>The UK's failure to realise that is not Ireland's fault.

From:	Robert Henderson
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 06:38:18 +0000

In article <35idopF4lusg3U1@individual.net>, Jackie Mulheron
writes
>>
>> Demonstrable nonsense. The French have never paid more in than they have
>> got back. RH
>
>That's because they've been good at getting the grants out - unlike the UK.

It is primarily because they have many small farmers. RH
--
Robert Henderson
philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
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Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

From:	Robert Henderson
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 07:10:53 +0000

In article <41f293d0.5206656@news>, Michilín writes
>
>The sort of remark made by elderly, unkempt men whose home address
>begins:
>
>Salvation Army
>..............................
>..............................
>..............................
>
Then you should stop making such remarks. RH
--
Robert Henderson
philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

From:	Michilín
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:50:35 GMT

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 07:10:53 +0000, Robert Henderson
wrote:

>In article <41f293d0.5206656@news>, Michilín writes
>>
>>The sort of remark made by elderly, unkempt men whose home address
>>begins:
>>
>>Salvation Army
>>..............................
>>..............................
>>..............................
>>
>Then you should stop making such remarks. RH

The remark clearly refers to you and it is a measure of your inability
to master the English language correctly that you were unable to turn
the remark back on me. Wittily is of course far too much to hope for.

It's not your fault; if you'd had a decent Scottish education you
wouldn't be spending half your day consulting dictionaries and
grammars.

But the fact is that in a Scottish milieu, you're totally out of your
depth and I recommend that you return to your own adopted national
group, where you can whip up screams of laughter and admiration by
foul-mouthed references to popular *nglish interests such as farting,
fucking, felching and belching and other gross *nglish vulgarities.

You're such a slimeball, Robert.

>--
>Robert Henderson
>philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
>Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
>Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

Michilín

From:	Robert Henderson
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 07:16:16 +0000

In article , FÃ©achadÃ³ir
writes
>
>The total annual cost of the Single Farm Payment will be about $30bn,
>of which Ireland will receive â‚¬1.3bn. Other agricultural payments to
>Ireland will come to about â‚¬700m, so our ag take will be about â‚¬2bn.
>At present, miscellaneous other EU contributions to Ireland come to
>just short of another â‚¬700m. Last year, our contribution came to
>â‚¬1.1bn, so we were net beneficiaries to the tune of â‚¬1.6bn (1.4% of
>GDP).

Â£500 per head. RH

>Our membership bonus has been declining in absolute and
>relative terms since 1992 when we netted over â‚¬2bn (5.5% of GDP)

--
Robert Henderson
philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

From:	Robert Henderson
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 06:41:09 +0000

In article <35ie2rF4m9pr0U1@individual.net>, Jackie Mulheron
writes
>>>
>>
>> Nope, my alternative is to withdraw from the EU and protect British
>> farmers' home market so they can get a liveable price for their food. RH
>
>So you would subsidise them by higher consumer prices. Same thing - just
>smoke and mirrors.

Nope, because they would be producing for the market not producing for
the subsidy. RH
--
Robert Henderson
philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

From:	Robert Henderson
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 06:37:51 +0000

In article <1106505111.4547.0@nnrp-t71-02.news.clara.net>, Geronimo W.
Christ Esq writes
>Robert Henderson wrote:
>
>>>The reason why the UK is a significant net contributor to the EU is
>>>because it is a relatively rich economy.
>>
>> Demonstrable nonsense. The French have never paid more in than they have
>> got back. RH
>
>France's colonial and industrial past hardly matches Britain's.

And this has what relevance to the issue? RH
--
Robert Henderson
philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

From:	Robert Henderson
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 16:05:06 +0000

In article <41f26736$0$16573$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com>,
Nebulous writes
>
>Is 1000 your favourite number Rabid?
>
>To be honest I've no idea what the subsidy was. I know that Ireland has gone
>from very poor to very well-off in a remarkably short period of time, and
>that being an EU member has helped that process. I also reckon they have
>probably become a net contributor by now.

Nope, they still have their snouts deep in the trough because much of
the subsidy comes through the CAP. RH

--
Robert Henderson
philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

From:	Nebulous
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:21:30 -0000

"Robert Henderson" wrote in message
news:3bYDMKAymn8BFwpX@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
> In article <41f26736$0$16573$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com>,
> Nebulous writes
> >
> >Is 1000 your favourite number Rabid?
> >
> >To be honest I've no idea what the subsidy was. I know that Ireland has
gone
> >from very poor to very well-off in a remarkably short period of time, and
> >that being an EU member has helped that process. I also reckon they have
> >probably become a net contributor by now.
>
> Nope, they still have their snouts deep in the trough because much of
> the subsidy comes through the CAP. RH
>

As has every farmer in Europe. That doesn't mean they aren't a net
contributor does it?

Neb

From:	westprog
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:22:34 -0000

"Nebulous" wrote in message
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>
> "Robert Henderson" wrote in message
> news:3bYDMKAymn8BFwpX@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
> > >Is 1000 your favourite number Rabid?

> > >To be honest I've no idea what the subsidy was. I know that Ireland has
> > > gone
> > >from very poor to very well-off in a remarkably short period of time,
and
> > >that being an EU member has helped that process. I also reckon they
have
> > >probably become a net contributor by now.

> > Nope, they still have their snouts deep in the trough because much of
> > the subsidy comes through the CAP. RH

> As has every farmer in Europe. That doesn't mean they aren't a net
> contributor does it?

Nor does it mean that they are. EU subsidies are heavily weighted towards
farming. That Ireland is now more prosperous doesn't mean it isn't getting
net grants. I'd like to see the figures.

J/

SOTW: "Deny" - The Clash
http://www.mp3.com/tracks/2164602/dl_streams.html
http://www.elyrics4u.com/d/deny_the_clash.htm

http://tinypic.com/1ev2mo
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From:	Féachadóir
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:02:53 +0000

Scríobh "westprog" :
>
>"Nebulous" wrote in message
>news:41f28b3c$0$19159$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com...
>>
>> "Robert Henderson" wrote in message
>> news:3bYDMKAymn8BFwpX@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
>> > >Is 1000 your favourite number Rabid?
>
>> > >To be honest I've no idea what the subsidy was. I know that Ireland has
>> > > gone
>> > >from very poor to very well-off in a remarkably short period of time,
>and
>> > >that being an EU member has helped that process. I also reckon they
>have
>> > >probably become a net contributor by now.
>
>> > Nope, they still have their snouts deep in the trough because much of
>> > the subsidy comes through the CAP. RH
>
>> As has every farmer in Europe. That doesn't mean they aren't a net
>> contributor does it?
>
>Nor does it mean that they are. EU subsidies are heavily weighted towards
>farming. That Ireland is now more prosperous doesn't mean it isn't getting
>net grants. I'd like to see the figures.

The total annual cost of the Single Farm Payment will be about $30bn,
of which Ireland will receive €1.3bn. Other agricultural payments to
Ireland will come to about €700m, so our ag take will be about €2bn.
At present, miscellaneous other EU contributions to Ireland come to
just short of another €700m. Last year, our contribution came to
€1.1bn, so we were net beneficiaries to the tune of €1.6bn (1.4% of
GDP). Our membership bonus has been declining in absolute and
relative terms since 1992 when we netted over €2bn (5.5% of GDP)

In 2007, we will become net contributors.

--
"Ná sáruigther Seinglenn
aitreb na lec nime"
© Féachadóir

From:	Jackie Mulheron
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:48:16 -0000

"Féachadóir" wrote in message
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> Scríobh "westprog" :
>>
>>"Nebulous" wrote in message
>>news:41f28b3c$0$19159$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com...
>>>
>>> "Robert Henderson" wrote in message
>>> news:3bYDMKAymn8BFwpX@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
>>> > >Is 1000 your favourite number Rabid?
>>
>>> > >To be honest I've no idea what the subsidy was. I know that Ireland
>>> > >has
>>> > > gone
>>> > >from very poor to very well-off in a remarkably short period of time,
>>and
>>> > >that being an EU member has helped that process. I also reckon they
>>have
>>> > >probably become a net contributor by now.
>>
>>> > Nope, they still have their snouts deep in the trough because much of
>>> > the subsidy comes through the CAP. RH
>>
>>> As has every farmer in Europe. That doesn't mean they aren't a net
>>> contributor does it?
>>
>>Nor does it mean that they are. EU subsidies are heavily weighted towards
>>farming. That Ireland is now more prosperous doesn't mean it isn't getting
>>net grants. I'd like to see the figures.
>
> The total annual cost of the Single Farm Payment will be about $30bn,
> of which Ireland will receive ?1.3bn. Other agricultural payments to
> Ireland will come to about ?700m, so our ag take will be about ?2bn.
> At present, miscellaneous other EU contributions to Ireland come to
> just short of another ?700m. Last year, our contribution came to
> ?1.1bn, so we were net beneficiaries to the tune of ?1.6bn (1.4% of
> GDP). Our membership bonus has been declining in absolute and
> relative terms since 1992 when we netted over ?2bn (5.5% of GDP)
>
> In 2007, we will become net contributors.

Got a source for those figures, Féachadóir?

Genuinely interested.

From:	Féachadóir
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:39:14 +0000

Scríobh "Jackie Mulheron"
[...]
>Got a source for those figures, Féachadóir?

Google pulled up several EU information websites.

The overall Irish figures (back to 1973) can be found at
http://www.finfacts.com/comment/irelandeunetreceiptsbenefits.htm

Not sure where exactly I pulled up the CAP/SFP figures, I looked at a
variety of pages from the EU, Irish Govt and IFA. Note that having
just had another look for some figures, it seems the total SFP budget
for 2005 will be in the order of €42bn, not €30bn as I stated. Non SFP
payments (rural development, environment etc) will be another €6bn.

This page has a ream of figures for the policy geeks among you to pore
over: http://europa.eu.int/comm/budget/furtherinfo/index_en.htm#budget

EU agricultural budgets are pretty much agreed up to 2013*.
Non-agriculture budgets are set to 2007. From 2007, Ireland is
expected to be a net contributor.

[* However, the budgets are in theory subject to ongoing reviews, and
the last "mid term review" - the Fischler Proposals - amounted to a
wholesale restructuring of EU agriculture policy, so 2013 isn't 100% a
fixed date]

--
"Ná sáruigther Seinglenn
aitreb na lec nime"
© Féachadóir

From:	Robert Peffers
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:08:37 -0000

"westprog" wrote in message
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>
> "Nebulous" wrote in message
> news:41f28b3c$0$19159$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com...
>>
>> "Robert Henderson" wrote in message
>> news:3bYDMKAymn8BFwpX@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
>> > >Is 1000 your favourite number Rabid?
>
>> > >To be honest I've no idea what the subsidy was. I know that Ireland
>> > >has
>> > > gone
>> > >from very poor to very well-off in a remarkably short period of time,
> and
>> > >that being an EU member has helped that process. I also reckon they
> have
>> > >probably become a net contributor by now.
>
>> > Nope, they still have their snouts deep in the trough because much of
>> > the subsidy comes through the CAP. RH
>
>> As has every farmer in Europe. That doesn't mean they aren't a net
>> contributor does it?
>
> Nor does it mean that they are. EU subsidies are heavily weighted towards
> farming. That Ireland is now more prosperous doesn't mean it isn't getting
> net grants. I'd like to see the figures.
>
> J/
>
> SOTW: "Deny" - The Clash
> http://www.mp3.com/tracks/2164602/dl_streams.html
> http://www.elyrics4u.com/d/deny_the_clash.htm
>
> http://tinypic.com/1ev2mo
> http://homepage.eircom.net/~albedo1/
>
>
>
Frae Auld bob Peffers:
Not long ago there was a row between Westminster and Holyrood. This was due
to the way the government received and distributed the various EU grants. It
was proven that certain grants ended up only in London that were given for
certain usages that were UK wide. There was another portion that were
retained by central government that were given by the EU for deprived areas
of the UK that had lost out due to EU directives. Seems the Hendersons of
this World only count what goes out but not what comes in.
--

Aefauldlie, (Scots word for Honestly),
Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Web Site, "The Eck's Files":- http://www.peffers50.freeserve.co.uk

--

Aefauldlie, (Scots word for Honestly),
Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Web Site, "The Eck's Files":- http://www.peffers50.freeserve.co.uk

From:	westprog
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:48:28 -0000

"Robert Peffers" wrote in message
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....
> Frae Auld bob Peffers:
> Not long ago there was a row between Westminster and Holyrood. This was
due
> to the way the government received and distributed the various EU grants.
It
> was proven that certain grants ended up only in London that were given for
> certain usages that were UK wide. There was another portion that were
> retained by central government that were given by the EU for deprived
areas
> of the UK that had lost out due to EU directives. Seems the Hendersons of
> this World only count what goes out but not what comes in.

That's another aspect - EU grants often add up to a net amount, but the
people paying out are not necessarily the people getting them, and the
people getting them are often extremely well off.

Still, that's a minor issue compared to the devestating effect the subsidies
have on the third world.

J/

SOTW: "Deny" - The Clash
http://www.mp3.com/tracks/2164602/dl_streams.html
http://www.elyrics4u.com/d/deny_the_clash.htm

http://tinypic.com/1ev2mo
http://homepage.eircom.net/~albedo1/

From:	Robert Peffers
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:29:41 -0000

"westprog" wrote in message
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>
> "Robert Peffers" wrote in message
> news:csupu6$3vh$2@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
> ...
>> Frae Auld bob Peffers:
>> Not long ago there was a row between Westminster and Holyrood. This was
> due
>> to the way the government received and distributed the various EU grants.
> It
>> was proven that certain grants ended up only in London that were given
>> for
>> certain usages that were UK wide. There was another portion that were
>> retained by central government that were given by the EU for deprived
> areas
>> of the UK that had lost out due to EU directives. Seems the Hendersons of
>> this World only count what goes out but not what comes in.
>
> That's another aspect - EU grants often add up to a net amount, but the
> people paying out are not necessarily the people getting them, and the
> people getting them are often extremely well off.
>
> Still, that's a minor issue compared to the devestating effect the
> subsidies
> have on the third world.
>
> J/
>
> SOTW: "Deny" - The Clash
> http://www.mp3.com/tracks/2164602/dl_streams.html
> http://www.elyrics4u.com/d/deny_the_clash.htm
>
> http://tinypic.com/1ev2mo
> http://homepage.eircom.net/~albedo1/
>
>
>
>
Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
How about applying a little common sense to the matter? The whole thing is
nothing to do with what wee country gets what. That was just the sprat. Have
a look around for the Mackerel. The USA and the Ussr used to keep each other
in check. They do not do so now. We cannot throw in our lot with both the
USA and Europe for the prize is to be the next economic and large
superpower. India and Pakistan could be a World power with a few others
joining them. Australasia could make it too. The Far East also, and if they
stop killing each other and wake up to the fact the USA has them firmly in
their sights, the Middle East. That's the real object. Little Britain must
choose who their real friends are. Remember that the USA had sanctions
applied across the entire UK until a few months age. They are just using
Tony and will drop him like a brick when he is no further use.
--

Aefauldlie, (Scots word for Honestly),
Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Web Site, "The Eck's Files":- http://www.peffers50.freeserve.co.uk

From:	Evangeline
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:44:01 GMT

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:29:41 -0000, "Robert Peffers"
wrote:

>How about applying a little common sense to the matter?

More piffles from Peffers!

From:	Robert Peffers
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:19:49 -0000

From:	Robert Peffers
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:29:38 -0000

"Evangeline" wrote in message
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> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:29:41 -0000, "Robert Peffers"
> wrote:
>
>>How about applying a little common sense to the matter?
>
> More piffles from Peffers!
Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
So give us all the benefit of your, "Common Sense", but bear in mind the EU
started out as a, "Common Market", but is now a, "Political Union", and it
is at present attempting to draw up an acceptable draft common policy that
will make it a joint political Union. What do you think the proposed
referendum is all about? Why do you think they allowed the former USSR
controlled bits of Europe in? They are building an economic bloc. ask
yourself why they need to? Who is their chief rival? The, "reply", above is
pathetic and rather school yardish. A bit like the Yah! Boo! kind of stuff
that comes out of Westminster. They would rather run each other down than
run the country.
--

Aefauldlie, (Scots word for Honestly),
Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
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From:	Jackie Mulheron
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:46:02 -0000

"Robert Henderson" wrote in message
news:3bYDMKAymn8BFwpX@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
> In article <41f26736$0$16573$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com>,
> Nebulous writes
>>
>>Is 1000 your favourite number Rabid?
>>
>>To be honest I've no idea what the subsidy was. I know that Ireland has
>>gone
>>from very poor to very well-off in a remarkably short period of time, and
>>that being an EU member has helped that process. I also reckon they have
>>probably become a net contributor by now.
>
> Nope, they still have their snouts deep in the trough because much of
> the subsidy comes through the CAP. RH

Bully for them. They were clever enough to keep their many farmers raking in
the cash and spending it locally then rather than going for the
agro-industry, large farm route.

From:	Féachadóir
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:19:31 +0000

Scríobh "Jackie Mulheron" :
>
>"Robert Henderson" wrote in message
>news:3bYDMKAymn8BFwpX@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
>> In article <41f26736$0$16573$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com>,
>> Nebulous writes
>>>
>>>Is 1000 your favourite number Rabid?
>>>
>>>To be honest I've no idea what the subsidy was. I know that Ireland has
>>>gone
>>>from very poor to very well-off in a remarkably short period of time, and
>>>that being an EU member has helped that process. I also reckon they have
>>>probably become a net contributor by now.
>>
>> Nope, they still have their snouts deep in the trough because much of
>> the subsidy comes through the CAP. RH
>
>Bully for them. They were clever enough to keep their many farmers raking in
>the cash and spending it locally then rather than going for the
>agro-industry, large farm route.

We went that route over 100 years ago, when our farmers fought for
improved rights leading eventually to the Land Acts which allowed
Irish farmers buy their farms, while in the rest of the UK Lord Nob
still retained his ancestral properties and tenants.

As for agro-industry, some of the largest food processors in Europe
are Irish. But most of them are co-opertives owned by the farmers.

--
"Ná sáruigther Seinglenn
aitreb na lec nime"
© Féachadóir

From:	Jackie Mulheron
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:52:59 -0000

"Féachadóir" wrote in message
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> Scríobh "Jackie Mulheron" :
>>
>>"Robert Henderson" wrote in message
>>news:3bYDMKAymn8BFwpX@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
>>> In article <41f26736$0$16573$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com>,
>>> Nebulous writes
>>>>
>>>>Is 1000 your favourite number Rabid?
>>>>
>>>>To be honest I've no idea what the subsidy was. I know that Ireland has
>>>>gone
>>>>from very poor to very well-off in a remarkably short period of time,
>>>>and
>>>>that being an EU member has helped that process. I also reckon they have
>>>>probably become a net contributor by now.
>>>
>>> Nope, they still have their snouts deep in the trough because much of
>>> the subsidy comes through the CAP. RH
>>
>>Bully for them. They were clever enough to keep their many farmers raking
>>in
>>the cash and spending it locally then rather than going for the
>>agro-industry, large farm route.
>
> We went that route over 100 years ago, when our farmers fought for
> improved rights leading eventually to the Land Acts which allowed
> Irish farmers buy their farms, while in the rest of the UK Lord Nob
> still retained his ancestral properties and tenants.
>
> As for agro-industry, some of the largest food processors in Europe
> are Irish. But most of them are co-opertives owned by the farmers.

Crikey! The Bloody Marxists.

From:	Robert Henderson
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:28:20 +0000

In article <1106485895.20444.0@sabbath.news.uk.clara.net>, Geronimo W.
Christ Esq writes
>Robert Henderson wrote:
>
>> Oh dear, Scotch brains! The Celtic Fringe does not pay for itself but
>> relies on vast English subsidies. Ergo, any money sent to the EU comes
>> from England. RH
>
>The reason why the UK is a significant net contributor to the EU is
>because it is a relatively rich economy.
>

Demonstrable nonsense. The French have never paid more in than they have
got back. RH

>It might be interesting for people to consider how the UK became a rich
>economy in the first place, for example by examining what proportion of
>the UK's current wealth was in fact earned on it's own soil as opposed
>to what it earned in it's colonial empire which at it's height
>encompassed 40% of the world's entire land area and 25% of it's population.
>
>I wonder how a person can argue that a country which arguably became
>rich by extracting wealth from other countries would in turn be
>justified in resisting attempts to redistribute some of that wealth again.

--
Robert Henderson
philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

From:	Geronimo W. Christ Esq
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:31:59 +0000

Robert Henderson wrote:

>>The reason why the UK is a significant net contributor to the EU is
>>because it is a relatively rich economy.
>
> Demonstrable nonsense. The French have never paid more in than they have
> got back. RH

France's colonial and industrial past hardly matches Britain's.

From:	westprog
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:53:20 -0000

"Geronimo W. Christ Esq" wrote in message
news:1106505111.4547.0@nnrp-t71-02.news.clara.net...
> Robert Henderson wrote:
>
> >>The reason why the UK is a significant net contributor to the EU is
> >>because it is a relatively rich economy.
> >
> > Demonstrable nonsense. The French have never paid more in than they have
> > got back. RH
>
> France's colonial and industrial past hardly matches Britain's.

France is about the only country on Earth that does match Britain's colonial
and industrial past. The reason they aren't net contributors isn't because
they were so benevolent in Algeria - it's because of their amateur farming
tradition.

J/

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From:	Jackie Mulheron
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:55:14 -0000

"Robert Henderson" wrote in message
news:shplSWA0698BFwIZ@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
> In article <1106485895.20444.0@sabbath.news.uk.clara.net>, Geronimo W.
> Christ Esq writes
>>Robert Henderson wrote:
>>
>>> Oh dear, Scotch brains! The Celtic Fringe does not pay for itself but
>>> relies on vast English subsidies. Ergo, any money sent to the EU comes
>>> from England. RH
>>
>>The reason why the UK is a significant net contributor to the EU is
>>because it is a relatively rich economy.
>>
>
> Demonstrable nonsense. The French have never paid more in than they have
> got back. RH

That's because they've been good at getting the grants out - unlike the UK.

>>It might be interesting for people to consider how the UK became a rich
>>economy in the first place, for example by examining what proportion of
>>the UK's current wealth was in fact earned on it's own soil as opposed
>>to what it earned in it's colonial empire which at it's height
>>encompassed 40% of the world's entire land area and 25% of it's
>>population.
>>
>>I wonder how a person can argue that a country which arguably became
>>rich by extracting wealth from other countries would in turn be
>>justified in resisting attempts to redistribute some of that wealth again.
>
> --
> Robert Henderson
> philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
> Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
> Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

From:	Robert Henderson
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 06:42:27 +0000

In article <41f40e39.18506631@news>, Michilín writes
>>
>>No, fiendishly addicted to holding their hands out. RH
>
>Jealously, as always, gets you nowhere.
>
>How typical that you denigrate the Irish instead of admiring them for
>making lemonade out of the lemons like the legacy England left them.

Such as a modern state, free trade with England, no national debt. RH
--
Robert Henderson
philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

From:	Robert Henderson
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Mon, 24 Jan 2005 06:39:14 +0000

In article <1106505200.4547.1@nnrp-t71-02.news.clara.net>, Geronimo W.
Christ Esq writes
>Robert Henderson wrote:
>
>> Nope, my alternative is to withdraw from the EU and protect British
>> farmers' home market so they can get a liveable price for their food. RH
>
>And up go the export barriers into the rest of the EU (the UK's
>principal market). Very clever.

Not for them because they have a large trade surplus with the UK. RH
--
Robert Henderson
philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

From:	Robert Henderson
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 07:13:13 +0000

In article <41f28b3c$0$19159$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com>,
Nebulous writes
>As has every farmer in Europe. That doesn't mean they aren't a net
>contributor does it?
>
>Neb
It's the structure of their agriculture which has a vast number of small
farmers which bumps up the subsidy. RH
--
Robert Henderson
philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
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Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

From:	Robert Peffers
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:59:00 -0000

"Robert Henderson" wrote in message
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> In article <41f28b3c$0$19159$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com>,
> Nebulous writes
>>As has every farmer in Europe. That doesn't mean they aren't a net
>>contributor does it?
>>
>>Neb
> It's the structure of their agriculture which has a vast number of small
> farmers which bumps up the subsidy. RH
> --
> Robert Henderson
> philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
> Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
> Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
>
Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
Robert, errs again, he does not count all those other EU subsidies that come
to the Southerons from the EU, nor those from the test of the UK.
--

Aefauldlie, (Scots word for Honestly),
Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Web Site, "The Eck's Files":- http://www.peffers50.freeserve.co.uk

From:	Jackie Mulheron
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:50:41 -0000

"Robert Henderson" wrote in message
news:z4WykpBJ608BFwb4@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
> In article <41f28b3c$0$19159$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com>,
> Nebulous writes
>>As has every farmer in Europe. That doesn't mean they aren't a net
>>contributor does it?
>>
>>Neb
> It's the structure of their agriculture which has a vast number of small
> farmers which bumps up the subsidy. RH

Oh the seething jealousy that reeks from you Rab. Maybe you should be
turning your ire on a Westminster Government who let the number of
individual farmers decline thus meaning that any CAP grants would be paid to
fewer people in larger amounts - larger amounts which would not be
guarenteed to find their way into local economies but probably into
investments on the international tock markets.

The UK's failure to realise that is not Ireland's fault.

From:	Michilín
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:38:34 GMT

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:50:41 -0000, "Jackie Mulheron"
wrote:

>
>"Robert Henderson" wrote in message
>news:z4WykpBJ608BFwb4@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
>> In article <41f28b3c$0$19159$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com>,
>> Nebulous writes
>>>As has every farmer in Europe. That doesn't mean they aren't a net
>>>contributor does it?
>>>
>>>Neb
>> It's the structure of their agriculture which has a vast number of small
>> farmers which bumps up the subsidy. RH
>
>Oh the seething jealousy that reeks from you Rab. Maybe you should be
>turning your ire on a Westminster Government who let the number of
>individual farmers decline thus meaning that any CAP grants would be paid to
>fewer people in larger amounts - larger amounts which would not be
>guarenteed to find their way into local economies but probably into
>investments on the international tock markets.
>
>The UK's failure to realise that is not Ireland's fault.
>
>
What an excellent point. So much for Henderson's "expertise". And how
perceptive of you, Jackie!

Michilín

From:	Robert Henderson
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:30:06 +0000

In article <35hompF4ld6h1U1@individual.net>, Jackie Mulheron
writes
>>>Fiendishly clever, those Irish, aren't they?
>>>
>>
>> No, fiendishly addicted to holding their hands out. RH
>
>Strange since your alternative is to withdraw from the EU and, er, give
>farmers handouts.
>

Nope, my alternative is to withdraw from the EU and protect British
farmers' home market so they can get a liveable price for their food. RH

>Shirley shome mishtake Moneypenny?

--
Robert Henderson
philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

From:	Geronimo W. Christ Esq
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:33:29 +0000

Robert Henderson wrote:

> Nope, my alternative is to withdraw from the EU and protect British
> farmers' home market so they can get a liveable price for their food. RH

And up go the export barriers into the rest of the EU (the UK's
principal market). Very clever.

From:	Robert Peffers
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:26:33 -0000

"Geronimo W. Christ Esq" wrote in message
news:1106505200.4547.1@nnrp-t71-02.news.clara.net...
> Robert Henderson wrote:
>
>> Nope, my alternative is to withdraw from the EU and protect British
>> farmers' home market so they can get a liveable price for their food. RH
>
> And up go the export barriers into the rest of the EU (the UK's principal
> market). Very clever.
Aw! Be fair Geronimo, (fine old Scottish name that), England will always
have the backing of Tony's friends, "ower the Lochan". Are not they the ones
who, "propped up", the UK economy by placing sanctions upon many UK products
because they claimed we should be buying, "American", bananas? Did they not
also back Tony by and, "prop up", our steel industry by imposing sanctions
on UK steel products?
--

Aefauldlie, (Scots word for Honestly),
Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Web Site, "The Eck's Files":- http://www.peffers50.freeserve.co.uk

From:	Jackie Mulheron
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:01:02 -0000

From:	Jackie Mulheron
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:00:26 -0000

"Robert Henderson" wrote in message
news:kBjn6sAe898BFwL4@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
> In article <35hompF4ld6h1U1@individual.net>, Jackie Mulheron
> writes
>>>>Fiendishly clever, those Irish, aren't they?
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, fiendishly addicted to holding their hands out. RH
>>
>>Strange since your alternative is to withdraw from the EU and, er, give
>>farmers handouts.
>>
>
> Nope, my alternative is to withdraw from the EU and protect British
> farmers' home market so they can get a liveable price for their food. RH

So you would subsidise them by higher consumer prices. Same thing - just
smoke and mirrors.

>>Shirley shome mishtake Moneypenny?

From:	Robert Henderson
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:29:04 +0000

In article <35hoefF4j9kg4U1@individual.net>, Jackie Mulheron
writes
>
>"Robert Henderson" wrote in message
>news:9I3x4dBO508BFw4e@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
>> In article , Robert Peffers
>> writes
>>>Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
>>>Oops! Robert, gets confused again. England does not pay that money to the
>>>EU, The UK does.This is a typical Southeron error. Poor dears can never
>>>figure out these differences. I put it down to the poor English Education
>>>system.
>>>--
>>
>> Oh dear, Scotch brains! The Celtic Fringe does not pay for itself but
>> relies on vast English subsidies. Ergo, any money sent to the EU comes
>> from England. RH
>
>Even from a Borrowing Requirment and the Extra-Regio?
>
PSBR borrowings are serviced by the English. Next! RH
>

--
Robert Henderson
philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

From:	Jackie Mulheron
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:56:11 -0000

"Robert Henderson" wrote in message
news:ghsmCjAg798BFwpJ@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
> In article <35hoefF4j9kg4U1@individual.net>, Jackie Mulheron
> writes
>>
>>"Robert Henderson" wrote in message
>>news:9I3x4dBO508BFw4e@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
>>> In article , Robert Peffers
>>> writes
>>>>Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
>>>>Oops! Robert, gets confused again. England does not pay that money to
>>>>the
>>>>EU, The UK does.This is a typical Southeron error. Poor dears can never
>>>>figure out these differences. I put it down to the poor English
>>>>Education
>>>>system.
>>>>--
>>>
>>> Oh dear, Scotch brains! The Celtic Fringe does not pay for itself but
>>> relies on vast English subsidies. Ergo, any money sent to the EU comes
>>> from England. RH
>>
>>Even from a Borrowing Requirment and the Extra-Regio?
>>
> PSBR borrowings are serviced by the English. Next! RH

Next what? Public Borrowing is serviced by all UK tax payers...including
thsoe from the Extra Regio.

From:	Robert Henderson
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 07:12:14 +0000

In article , Robert Peffers
writes
>Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
>Oops! Robert, gets confused again. England does not pay that money to the
>EU, The UK does.This is a typical Southeron error. Poor dears can never
>figure out these differences. I put it down to the poor English Education
>system.
>--

Oh dear, Scotch brains! The Celtic Fringe does not pay for itself but
relies on vast English subsidies. Ergo, any money sent to the EU comes
from England. RH
--
Robert Henderson
philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

From:	Geronimo W. Christ Esq
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:11:42 +0000

Robert Henderson wrote:

> Oh dear, Scotch brains! The Celtic Fringe does not pay for itself but
> relies on vast English subsidies. Ergo, any money sent to the EU comes
> from England. RH

The reason why the UK is a significant net contributor to the EU is
because it is a relatively rich economy.

It might be interesting for people to consider how the UK became a rich
economy in the first place, for example by examining what proportion of
the UK's current wealth was in fact earned on it's own soil as opposed
to what it earned in it's colonial empire which at it's height
encompassed 40% of the world's entire land area and 25% of it's population.

I wonder how a person can argue that a country which arguably became
rich by extracting wealth from other countries would in turn be
justified in resisting attempts to redistribute some of that wealth again.

From:	Robert Peffers
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:40:35 -0000

"Geronimo W. Christ Esq" wrote in message
news:1106485895.20444.0@sabbath.news.uk.clara.net...
> Robert Henderson wrote:
>
>> Oh dear, Scotch brains! The Celtic Fringe does not pay for itself but
>> relies on vast English subsidies. Ergo, any money sent to the EU comes
>> from England. RH
>
> The reason why the UK is a significant net contributor to the EU is
> because it is a relatively rich economy.
>
> It might be interesting for people to consider how the UK became a rich
> economy in the first place, for example by examining what proportion of
> the UK's current wealth was in fact earned on it's own soil as opposed to
> what it earned in it's colonial empire which at it's height encompassed
> 40% of the world's entire land area and 25% of it's population.
>
> I wonder how a person can argue that a country which arguably became rich
> by extracting wealth from other countries would in turn be justified in
> resisting attempts to redistribute some of that wealth again.
Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
I would have thought the explanation would be easy for you to figure out?
You are replying to certain people who have no knowledge of their own
countries history.

This is the obvious fault of a poor educational systems that forces pupils
into rigid grades and places much more emphasis upon attaining those grades
than they do about producing pupils who can think for themselves and make
good judgements from actual facts before them. In short they leave school
very much indoctrinated and they thus just repeat the tutors view and the
tutors came through the same poor system. Some then go on to become tutors
in their turn and the system grinds on propagating the same old propaganda
and misconceptions as it always has.
--

Aefauldlie, (Scots word for Honestly),
Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Web Site, "The Eck's Files":- http://www.peffers50.freeserve.co.uk

From:	westprog
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:26:15 -0000

From:	Robert Peffers
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:55:55 -0000

"Robert Henderson" wrote in message
news:9I3x4dBO508BFw4e@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
> In article , Robert Peffers
> writes
>>Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
>>Oops! Robert, gets confused again. England does not pay that money to the
>>EU, The UK does.This is a typical Southeron error. Poor dears can never
>>figure out these differences. I put it down to the poor English Education
>>system.
>>--
>
> Oh dear, Scotch brains! The Celtic Fringe does not pay for itself but
> relies on vast English subsidies. Ergo, any money sent to the EU comes
> from England. RH
> --
> Robert Henderson
> philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
> Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
> Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
Frae Auld Bob Peffers:
Seems the English education system is far worse than I thought. First,
Scotland pays in far more than she gets out and the Celtic area does not
include all of Scotland. It is defined in English dictionaries as:-
1 the Highland Scots, Irish, Welsh, and Cornish in relation to the rest of
Britain.
2 the land inhabited by these peoples.
I am neither of Highland birth nor live in the Highlands. Being a Henderson,
Robert will have more Highland links than I have.

Henderson errs again.
--

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Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
Web Site, "The Eck's Files":- http://www.peffers50.freeserve.co.uk

From:	Jackie Mulheron
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:51:19 -0000

From:	Robert Henderson
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 06:37:23 +0000

In article <35d17eF4jkl3mU1@individual.net>, Jackie Mulheron
writes
>
>Ireland has now achieved things economically that could never have been
>achieved if it was not independent. A year ago, it expected to have a budget
>deficit of around £2 billion, but this turned into a small £20 million
>surplus, thanks to the performance of the Irish economy, which is expected
>to continue its remarkable success by growing by 5 per cent in 2005.

With the aid of an EU derived subsidy, largely paid for by England and
Germany, of more than £1000 per head. RH
--
Robert Henderson
philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
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From:	Jackie Mulheron
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:41:34 -0000

"Robert Henderson" wrote in message
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> In article <35d17eF4jkl3mU1@individual.net>, Jackie Mulheron
> writes
>>
>>Ireland has now achieved things economically that could never have been
>>achieved if it was not independent. A year ago, it expected to have a
>>budget
>>deficit of around £2 billion, but this turned into a small £20 million
>>surplus, thanks to the performance of the Irish economy, which is expected
>>to continue its remarkable success by growing by 5 per cent in 2005.
>
> With the aid of an EU derived subsidy, largely paid for by England and
> Germany, of more than £1000 per head. RH

This "£1000 per head" seems to be your favourite canard for your reeking
jealousy that they have been far more successful in accessing development
aid and spending it as well.

Unlike the UK.

From:	Post Colonial Boy
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:30:01 +1300

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 06:37:23 +0000, Robert Henderson
wrote:

>In article <35d17eF4jkl3mU1@individual.net>, Jackie Mulheron
> writes
>>
>>Ireland has now achieved things economically that could never have been
>>achieved if it was not independent. A year ago, it expected to have a budget
>>deficit of around £2 billion, but this turned into a small £20 million
>>surplus, thanks to the performance of the Irish economy, which is expected
>>to continue its remarkable success by growing by 5 per cent in 2005.
>
>With the aid of an EU derived subsidy, largely paid for by England and
>Germany, of more than £1000 per head. RH

IIRC...Thats not these days...

PCB

From:	Nebulous
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 08:33:22 -0000

"Robert Henderson" wrote in message
news:Jz8MGjAjSf8BFwtW@anywhere.demon.co.uk...
> In article <35d17eF4jkl3mU1@individual.net>, Jackie Mulheron
> writes
> >
> >Ireland has now achieved things economically that could never have been
> >achieved if it was not independent. A year ago, it expected to have a
budget
> >deficit of around £2 billion, but this turned into a small £20 million
> >surplus, thanks to the performance of the Irish economy, which is
expected
> >to continue its remarkable success by growing by 5 per cent in 2005.
>
> With the aid of an EU derived subsidy, largely paid for by England and
> Germany, of more than £1000 per head. RH
> --
>
Money well spent though Rabid. They'll now be able to pay your rebate.

Neb

From:	Michilín
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 17:55:40 GMT

From:	max.it
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:27:43 +0000 (UTC)

Robert Henderson

>In article <35d17eF4jkl3mU1@individual.net>, Jackie Mulheron
> writes
>>
>>Ireland has now achieved things economically that could never have been
>>achieved if it was not independent. A year ago, it expected to have a budget
>>deficit of around £2 billion, but this turned into a small £20 million
>>surplus, thanks to the performance of the Irish economy, which is expected
>>to continue its remarkable success by growing by 5 per cent in 2005.
>
>With the aid of an EU derived subsidy, largely paid for by England and
>Germany, of more than £1000 per head. RH

There is no Republic of Ireland.
There is an Irish republic.

max.it (the orange cage)

>--
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>philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
>Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
>Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk

From:	Jackie Mulheron
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 01:21:24 -0000

"max.it" wrote in message
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> Robert Henderson
>
>>In article <35d17eF4jkl3mU1@individual.net>, Jackie Mulheron
>> writes
>>>
>>>Ireland has now achieved things economically that could never have been
>>>achieved if it was not independent. A year ago, it expected to have a
>>>budget
>>>deficit of around £2 billion, but this turned into a small £20 million
>>>surplus, thanks to the performance of the Irish economy, which is
>>>expected
>>>to continue its remarkable success by growing by 5 per cent in 2005.
>>
>>With the aid of an EU derived subsidy, largely paid for by England and
>>Germany, of more than £1000 per head. RH
>
> There is no Republic of Ireland.
> There is an Irish republic.

THE REPUBLIC OF IRELAND ACT, 1948

IN ACT TO REPEAL THE EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY (EXTERNAL RELATIONS) ACT, 1936, TO
DECLARE THAT THE DESCRIPTION OF THE STATE SHALL BE THE REPUBLIC OF IRELAND,
AND TO ENABLE THE PRESIDENT TO EXERCISE THE EXECUTIVE POWER OR ANY EXECUTIVE
FUNCTION OF THE STATE IN OR IN CONNECTION WITH ITS EXTERNAL RELATIONS.

From:	Féachadóir
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 01:44:59 +0000

Scríobh "Jackie Mulheron" :
>
>"max.it" wrote in message
>news:41f2e104.7171421@news.btopenworld.com...
>> Robert Henderson
>>
>>>In article <35d17eF4jkl3mU1@individual.net>, Jackie Mulheron
>>> writes
>>>>
>>>>Ireland has now achieved things economically that could never have been
>>>>achieved if it was not independent. A year ago, it expected to have a
>>>>budget
>>>>deficit of around £2 billion, but this turned into a small £20 million
>>>>surplus, thanks to the performance of the Irish economy, which is
>>>>expected
>>>>to continue its remarkable success by growing by 5 per cent in 2005.
>>>
>>>With the aid of an EU derived subsidy, largely paid for by England and
>>>Germany, of more than £1000 per head. RH
>>
>> There is no Republic of Ireland.
>> There is an Irish republic.
>
>
>
>THE REPUBLIC OF IRELAND ACT, 1948
>
>IN ACT TO REPEAL THE EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY (EXTERNAL RELATIONS) ACT, 1936, TO
>DECLARE THAT THE DESCRIPTION OF THE STATE SHALL BE THE REPUBLIC OF IRELAND,
^^^^^^^^^^^

Welcome to SCI Argument No. 14

--
"Ná sáruigther Seinglenn
aitreb na lec nime"
© Féachadóir

From:	Jackie Mulheron
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:54:43 -0000

"Féachadóir" wrote in message
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> Scríobh "Jackie Mulheron" :
>>
>>"max.it" wrote in message
>>news:41f2e104.7171421@news.btopenworld.com...
>>> Robert Henderson
>>>
>>>>In article <35d17eF4jkl3mU1@individual.net>, Jackie Mulheron
>>>> writes
>>>>>
>>>>>Ireland has now achieved things economically that could never have been
>>>>>achieved if it was not independent. A year ago, it expected to have a
>>>>>budget
>>>>>deficit of around £2 billion, but this turned into a small £20 million
>>>>>surplus, thanks to the performance of the Irish economy, which is
>>>>>expected
>>>>>to continue its remarkable success by growing by 5 per cent in 2005.
>>>>
>>>>With the aid of an EU derived subsidy, largely paid for by England and
>>>>Germany, of more than £1000 per head. RH
>>>
>>> There is no Republic of Ireland.
>>> There is an Irish republic.
>>
>>
>>
>>THE REPUBLIC OF IRELAND ACT, 1948
>>
>>IN ACT TO REPEAL THE EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY (EXTERNAL RELATIONS) ACT, 1936,
>>TO
>>DECLARE THAT THE DESCRIPTION OF THE STATE SHALL BE THE REPUBLIC OF
>>IRELAND,
> ^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Welcome to SCI Argument No. 14

Oh, I see. As Father Dougal would say "Right, ye are Ted."

From:	Michilín
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 05:44:59 GMT

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 01:44:59 +0000, Féachadóir wrote:

>Scríobh "Jackie Mulheron" :
>>
>>"max.it" wrote in message
>>news:41f2e104.7171421@news.btopenworld.com...
>>> Robert Henderson
>>>
>>>>In article <35d17eF4jkl3mU1@individual.net>, Jackie Mulheron
>>>> writes
>>>>>
>>>>>Ireland has now achieved things economically that could never have been
>>>>>achieved if it was not independent. A year ago, it expected to have a
>>>>>budget
>>>>>deficit of around £2 billion, but this turned into a small £20 million
>>>>>surplus, thanks to the performance of the Irish economy, which is
>>>>>expected
>>>>>to continue its remarkable success by growing by 5 per cent in 2005.
>>>>
>>>>With the aid of an EU derived subsidy, largely paid for by England and
>>>>Germany, of more than £1000 per head. RH
>>>
>>> There is no Republic of Ireland.
>>> There is an Irish republic.
>>
>>
>>
>>THE REPUBLIC OF IRELAND ACT, 1948
>>
>>IN ACT TO REPEAL THE EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY (EXTERNAL RELATIONS) ACT, 1936, TO
>>DECLARE THAT THE DESCRIPTION OF THE STATE SHALL BE THE REPUBLIC OF IRELAND,
> ^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Welcome to SCI Argument No. 14

LOL!
>--
>"Ná sáruigther Seinglenn
>aitreb na lec nime"
>© Féachadóir

Michilín

From:	Robert Peffers
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:53:27 -0000

"max.it" wrote in message
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> Robert Henderson
>
>>In article <35d17eF4jkl3mU1@individual.net>, Jackie Mulheron
>> writes
>>>
>>>Ireland has now achieved things economically that could never have been
>>>achieved if it was not independent. A year ago, it expected to have a
>>>budget
>>>deficit of around £2 billion, but this turned into a small £20 million
>>>surplus, thanks to the performance of the Irish economy, which is
>>>expected
>>>to continue its remarkable success by growing by 5 per cent in 2005.
>>
>>With the aid of an EU derived subsidy, largely paid for by England and
>>Germany, of more than £1000 per head. RH
>
> There is no Republic of Ireland.
> There is an Irish republic.

Please yourself but I would remind you the Spanish would say there is no
Spain as that is the English translation of their country's name. The same
could be said of every non-UK country under the Sun except for Canada, USA,
New Zealand and Australia.
>
> max.it (the orange cage)
>
>>--
>>Robert Henderson
>>philip@anywhere.demon.co.uk
>>Blair Scandal web site at http://www.geocities.com/blairscandal/
>>Personal web site at http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
>
--

Aefauldlie, (Scots word for Honestly),
Robert, (Auld Bob), Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
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From:	Richard Tobin
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	22 Jan 2005 16:31:22 GMT

In article ,
Robert Henderson wrote:

>With the aid of an EU derived subsidy, largely paid for by England and
>Germany, of more than £1000 per head. RH

Fiendishly clever, those Irish, aren't they?

-- Richard

From:	Robert Henderson
Subject:	Re: Poverty stricken Ireland
Date:	Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:45:06 +0000

In article <41f20f52$0$16576$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com>,
Nebulous writes
>>
>> With the aid of an EU derived subsidy, largely paid for by England and
>> Germany, of more than £1000 per head. RH
>> --
>>
>Money well spent though Rabid. They'll now be able to pay your rebate.
>
>Neb

Ah, an admission that the subsidy exists. Good. Saved for future use. RH
--
Robert Henderson
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