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 | | From: | Jessie Gamache | | Subject: | What are our beliefs ? | | Date: | Tue, 12 Oct 2004 07:21:03 -0500 |
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 | If one has beliefs of non-violence and democracy, can you be effective
as one person and to whom?
Someone said Atheism is Pandora's box
that reveals all the the wasted effort--study, time, money holy days and
even generations.
I agree with that statement because it affected my life in a derogatory
way.
I know how Christians thiink because up to the age of 20, I was one,
with a lot of questions. I was told by a priest in the confessional
that I was a hypocrite
when I confessed that I wasn't sorry about eating meat on Friday. In my
mind, being truthful was what was important but it took me about a year
to realize that I was a hypocrite. I was just plain hurt by the word at
that time. So the questions kept multiplying with no one to share with.
Except books and through the years, a few letters to people that call
themselves Atheists or freethinkers.
The worse part was trying to explain to your family why you think the
way you do and not being accepted as a person that developed a method of
thinking that could be more beneficial if we solved our problems by
ourselves, which to me was democracy in the family with no time for
religion.
That was then and this is now and when and how is the violence going to
stop with countries? I really believed in the United Nations when I
was young. Why isn't it working? ----Jessie
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| | From: | Christopher A. Lee | | Subject: | Re: What are our beliefs ? | | Date: | Tue, 12 Oct 2004 07:44:59 -0500 |
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| On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 07:21:03 -0500, Jessiegamache@webtv.net (Jessie
Gamache) wrote:
>If one has beliefs of non-violence and democracy, can you be effective
>as one person and to whom?
>Someone said Atheism is Pandora's box
>that reveals all the the wasted effort--study, time, money holy days and
>even generations.
>I agree with that statement because it affected my life in a derogatory
>way.
>
>I know how Christians thiink because up to the age of 20, I was one,
>with a lot of questions. I was told by a priest in the confessional
>that I was a hypocrite
>when I confessed that I wasn't sorry about eating meat on Friday. In my
>mind, being truthful was what was important but it took me about a year
>to realize that I was a hypocrite. I was just plain hurt by the word at
>that time. So the questions kept multiplying with no one to share with.
>Except books and through the years, a few letters to people that call
>themselves Atheists or freethinkers.
> The worse part was trying to explain to your family why you think the
>way you do and not being accepted as a person that developed a method of
>thinking that could be more beneficial if we solved our problems by
>ourselves, which to me was democracy in the family with no time for
>religion.
>That was then and this is now and when and how is the violence going to
>stop with countries? I really believed in the United Nations when I
>was young. Why isn't it working? ----Jessie
We won't let it. We have a veto(*) in the security council, we owe it
decades worth of membership fee, we support it when it does what we
want it to do, and ignore it when it doesn't.
(*) As do Britain, France, Russia and China. Britain, France and China
usually abstain rather than usine the veto. Russia and America both
used the veto to prevent the other's excesses until the fall of the
soviets. America always vetoes resolutions critical of Israel.
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| | From: | David V. | | Subject: | Re: What are our beliefs ? | | Date: | Tue, 12 Oct 2004 19:12:38 -0500 |
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| Jessie Gamache wrote:
> If one has beliefs of non-violence and democracy, can you
> be effective as one person and to whom?
To society.
> Someone said Atheism is Pandora's box...
They lied.
> I agree with that statement because it affected my life
> in a derogatory way.
You affected your own life in a derogatory way by agreeing
with the lies that people tell you.
> That was then and this is now and when and how is the
> violence going to stop with countries?
It stops with individuals.
> I really believed in the United Nations when I was young.
> Why isn't it working?
Humans are involved.
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David V.
UDP for WebTV
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| | From: | ValSu | | Subject: | Re: What are our beliefs ? | | Date: | Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:32:08 -0500 |
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| "David V." wrote in message news:<2rSdnYx1DMDanfHcRVn-tw@sti.net>...
> Jessie Gamache wrote:
> > If one has beliefs of non-violence and democracy, can you
> > be effective as one person and to whom?
>
> To society.
>
> > Someone said Atheism is Pandora's box...
>
> They lied.
>
> > I agree with that statement because it affected my life
> > in a derogatory way.
>
> You affected your own life in a derogatory way by agreeing
> with the lies that people tell you.
>
> > That was then and this is now and when and how is the
> > violence going to stop with countries?
>
> It stops with individuals.
>
> > I really believed in the United Nations when I was young.
> > Why isn't it working?
>
> Humans are involved.
Yep, humans are involved, and worse yet, each Nationality seems to
have their cultural idealism set in the stone of their souls, perhaps
by choice and/or necessity. We all wish to maintain our
"individualism", we all WANT FOR ME...ME...ME" as this in America has
seemed to become a very selfish society. Each group of "types" of
people and religious people such as, Hispanics, African/Americans,
Cubans, Chinese, Japanese, Jewish, Catholics, Babtists, etc, etc, I am
not going to list ALL of the different religious groups or
Nationalities. I do believe there are approximately 250 different
nationalities on this planet, but it seems to me, especially in
America, that all of these different groups want for them, and do not
really care about simply "fitting in" and being accepted as an equal.
Either they get it all for themselves and want to give nothing to
society...or they claim descrimination. Now, I AM NOT RACIST in ANY
WAY, I am just writing what I noticed along the path in life. I have
the most wonderful of neighbors, from Chinese, Indians (peoples from
India), Spanish/Latinos-Latinas/Hispanic (want to be PC here and not
offend anybody by using words of a national heritage that could be
perceived as offensive), Cubans, Jamaicans, Hawaiians,
African-Americans, Africans, etc etc....so, we all get along in our
little community of 450 apts./townhomes. I would like to see this
spread though, to where not only in each community, as diverse as the
people may be, that we can all simply get along, agree to disagree on
topics such as religion and politics, and be the country that we truly
can be...FREE to BE. Is this possible? I have, in my old age, come to
realize that what is my belief, religion, is not for everybody for
example. My Indian neighbors do not expect me to attend their
ceremonies at their Ashram, nor would I expect them to attend the
Synogog, church, temple that I may happen to visit. This country
supposedly embraces freedoms, and that is why people supposedly come
here. So for those visiters that want to come to America, this is what
this country is about. Many individuals from different backgrounds,
and what is for you may not be for me. So, differences aside, let us
simply try to get along in our little world here. I DO NOT expect you
to live as I, nor vote as I, etc...so again, as peoples of the United
States of America, let us simply try to fit in and get along. By the
Way, fitting in DOES NOT mean giving up your individuality, it simply
means being a unique individual and not trying so hard to push your
ideals onto another. Thanks and sorry for such a long reply.
ValSu
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| | From: | Ronnn_Hammonn | | Subject: | Re: What are our beliefs ? | | Date: | Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:20:34 -0500 |
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| ValSu wrote:
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> I have, in my old age, come to
> realize that what is my belief, religion, is not for everybody for
> example. My Indian neighbors do not expect me to attend their
> ceremonies at their Ashram, nor would I expect them to attend the
> Synogog, church, temple that I may happen to visit.
snip
And THIS has to do with atheism how?
--
Ron Hammon
Remove the "y" from ".nyet", when present, to reach me.
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| | From: | Charles & Mambo | | Subject: | Re: What are our beliefs ? | | Date: | Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:28:13 -0500 |
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| ValSu wrote:
> Yep, humans are involved, and worse yet, each Nationality
[rant snipped]
What the hell are you talking about?
--
Come down off the cross
We can use the wood
Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House
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| | From: | Earle Jones | | Subject: | Re: What are our beliefs ? | | Date: | Sun, 24 Oct 2004 23:25:23 -0500 |
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| In article <417C72CE.3090506@gfy.self>,
Charles & Mambo wrote:
> ValSu wrote:
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> > Yep, humans are involved, and worse yet, each Nationality
>
> [rant snipped]
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> What the hell are you talking about?
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Or better yet, what the hell are you yammering on about?
You would be better understood if you knew how to divide your
posting into what we call 'paragraphs', which are collections of
'sentences' that have some common theme. At the end of a
'paragraph', you could introduce a new or related theme, and begin a
new 'paragraph'.
It's not that difficult. As I recall, it's taught in the second or
third year of high school.
earle
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