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 | | From: | Joseph H | | Subject: | A CHARTER FOR HUMANITY - 2 | | Date: | 19 Jan 2005 08:36:06 -0800 |
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 | >Get to you in a minute, J.J....First want to deal with
Anti-Corporation. I'm so confused.Are Corporations effiicent or are
they not? Are States efficient or or are they not? You seem to change
horses in mid-stream. Are you for multi-culturalism or
standardisation? I'm not sure. Please put me out of my misery....
Now, Old J.J. you wily Welshman.... you're going to take a hiding this
year from a certain Green island to your immediate West....
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WHY HAVE YOU REPEATED AN OLD POST OF YOURS?
I WILL REPEAT MY REPLY TO IT.
Not the same post. Charter 2, you notice. In reponse to ceaseless
praise I have amended it somewehat and will continue to do until I
reach perfection. It's called evolution.
I am not outraged by any supposed applicability of your vision to the
human. I am outraged at the bragging of it. I will demolish your
vision.
.......Again I tremble.....
An amoeba is just as social as ourselves. A creature is as social as
befits the creature. Anything more or less would be a Frankenstein
monster. Yet you dare to impose human sociality as a goal for all
life.
I do not, J.J. I definitely do not. I just insist that we have a
particular range of abilities denied to the wonderful amoeba. I do not
see the amoeba posting on Usenet.
Your rationale for this is that only by this means can all the secrets
of the universe be unveiled. A poor excuse with poor rewards.
No excuse. And I believe it is worth the effort. I'd like to know the
secrets of the universe etc. I think it ought to be - and will
eventually be - part of our basic knowledge.
The
universe is a purely human construction.
What crap, J.J. Look out from your Welsh garret. Them's stars out
there. Them's not fires on Rumney Hill. That's the universe, J.J.....
And intelligence?The
intelligence of a human is no more than the intelligence of the
amoeba.
Both human and amoeba exhibit infinite intelligence by being able to
solve their problems immediately. Infinite intelligence is completely
dependent on definition of the task,
Well, J.J., you make me think you are right when you say bizarre
things like that. Let's not be too relative.
I have shot your awful vision down in flames. May the amoeba spare
you.
And you too, J.J.
Joseph H
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> www.humanisation.org
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> Open your eyes and see the light
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| | From: | Anticorporation | | Subject: | Re: A CHARTER FOR HUMANITY - 2 | | Date: | Wed, 19 Jan 2005 16:53:04 GMT |
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"Joseph H" wrote in message
news:2b0ce0c5.0501190836.5f442a87@posting.google.com...
> >Get to you in a minute, J.J....First want to deal with
> Anti-Corporation. I'm so confused.Are Corporations effiicent or are
> they not? Are States efficient or or are they not? You seem to change
> horses in mid-stream. Are you for multi-culturalism or
> standardisation? I'm not sure. Please put me out of my misery....
>
> Now, Old J.J. you wily Welshman.... you're going to take a hiding this
> year from a certain Green island to your immediate West....
>>
>
> WHY HAVE YOU REPEATED AN OLD POST OF YOURS?
> I WILL REPEAT MY REPLY TO IT.
>
> Not the same post. Charter 2, you notice. In reponse to ceaseless
> praise I have amended it somewehat and will continue to do until I
> reach perfection. It's called evolution.
>
> I am not outraged by any supposed applicability of your vision to the
> human. I am outraged at the bragging of it. I will demolish your
> vision.
>
> ......Again I tremble.....
>
> An amoeba is just as social as ourselves. A creature is as social as
> befits the creature. Anything more or less would be a Frankenstein
> monster. Yet you dare to impose human sociality as a goal for all
> life.
>
> I do not, J.J. I definitely do not. I just insist that we have a
> particular range of abilities denied to the wonderful amoeba. I do not
> see the amoeba posting on Usenet.
>
>
> Your rationale for this is that only by this means can all the secrets
> of the universe be unveiled. A poor excuse with poor rewards.
>
> No excuse. And I believe it is worth the effort. I'd like to know the
> secrets of the universe etc. I think it ought to be - and will
> eventually be - part of our basic knowledge.
>
>
> The
> universe is a purely human construction.
>
>
> What crap, J.J. Look out from your Welsh garret. Them's stars out
> there. Them's not fires on Rumney Hill. That's the universe, J.J.....
>
> And intelligence?The
> intelligence of a human is no more than the intelligence of the
> amoeba.
> Both human and amoeba exhibit infinite intelligence by being able to
> solve their problems immediately. Infinite intelligence is completely
> dependent on definition of the task,
>
>
> Well, J.J., you make me think you are right when you say bizarre
> things like that. Let's not be too relative.
>
>
> I have shot your awful vision down in flames. May the amoeba spare
> you.
>
>
> And you too, J.J.
>
> Joseph H
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>> www.humanisation.org
>>
>> Open your eyes and see the light
"I'm so confused.Are Corporations effiicent or are
they not? Are States efficient or or are they not? You seem to change
horses in mid-stream. Are you for multi-culturalism or
standardisation? I'm not sure. Please put me out of my misery...."
Corporations are very efficient compared to govt., isn't that what we are
always being told when it comes to 'privatization' of govt. entities? This
is the first-most argument republicans use as well as libertarians why we
should shrink govt. programs. I think efficiency is an economic moral term.
Through specialization of specific tasks and not being bound by some
constitutional expectations they are allowed an advantage in their
operations.Also, they are allowed to create problems for the govt. they are
not held accountable for as they are secretive and have power within govt.
The simple answer to the question I originally posed is that corporations
are allowed to exclude the weak and un-desirable from within their ranks
thus making them more efficient whereas govt. does not have that luxery here
in the US. The US govt. must be accountiful for these people less the
corporations would not have the security to do as they please.
I am against the multinational corporation as they tend to dis-enfranchise
many members of the culture or nation which they invade. And, by virtue of
their power disrupt any real process of the people in any so-called
democracy. In essence, they tend to corrupt and destroy real democratic
processess because of their un-due influence because they are so powerful,
especially in third-world nations and small communities.
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| | From: | ralph | | Subject: | Re: A CHARTER FOR HUMANITY - 2 | | Date: | Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:40:05 +0000 |
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| In message , Anticorporation
writes
> The simple answer to the question I originally posed is that
>corporations are allowed to exclude the weak and un-desirable from
>within their ranks thus making them more efficient whereas govt. does
>not have that luxery here in the US. The US govt. must be accountiful
>for these people less the corporations would not have the security to
>do as they pleas
Your proposition is not necessarily correct. When the telephone service
was privatised in the UK, the new operator was not allowed to change the
tariffs for expensive-to-service customers (living in remote areas, for
example). Their operation was a great improvement over the state service
because civil servants, curiously enough, have no idea of the concept of
service.
If you are starting a business tomorrow, you want a telephone tomorrow.
A civil servant will have a set of procedures to follow, and no
flexibility in their implementation, so that you will not get one
tomorrow.
How successful privatised companies are depends on the legislation that
sets them up, and, of course, the quality of the new management.
So generalisation is seldom justified in this area.
--
ralph
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