80 percent say they plan to vote

By David R. Sands
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

A clear majority of Iraqis said they plan to vote in the Jan. 30
elections and remain hopeful about their country's future despite a
murderous insurgency, according to a poll to be released today.
The countrywide survey, conducted by the Washington-based
International Republican Institute (IRI), also found increased popular
awareness of the election, closer identification with political parties
and a growing level of trust in Iraqi institutions such as the interim
government, the police and the election commission.
"What you see is a very, very substantial majority throughout
the country, including in the Sunni areas, that wants to make this
election a success and to get this whole period behind them," John
Anelli, IRI regional director for Iraq, said from Baghdad yesterday.
"There's an overwhelming desire for normality, and a large
majority sees this vote as a positive step in that direction," he said.

Overall, 81.7 percent of those polled said they were "very
likely" or "somewhat likely" to vote.
Strong majorities in Shi'ite Muslim southern Iraq, in Baghdad
and in the Kurdish-dominated north said they intend to vote.
Even in Sunni Arab lands - the heart of the resistance to the
U=2ES.-based interim government - 53.5 percent of those surveyed said
they were leaning toward voting, while 38.4 percent said they were
"somewhat unlikely" or "very unlikely" to vote. The remainder said they
did not know or gave no answer.
But the violence had its effect on the IRI poll itself. The
survey excluded the largely Sunni provinces of Dohuk and Nineveh,
because it was judged too dangerous to conduct interviews there.
Nineveh includes Mosul, Iraq's third-largest city.
Mr. Anelli said including the two provinces almost certainly
would have dragged down the overall positive results, but only by about
four to five percentage points at the most.
The survey, the fifth IRI has conducted in the past year in
Iraq, was based on 1,903 face-to-face interviews conducted between Dec.
26 and Jan. 7. The overall margin of error for the survey was three
percentage points.
IRI is an independent nonprofit group funded through the
federal National Endowment for Democracy, the U.S. Agency for
International Development and private contributions. IRI works in Iraq
and about 60 other countries to promote democratic institutions.
The poll was concluded before the latest spate of terrorist
attacks that apparently were aimed at derailing the vote. Iraqis will
vote for a transitional parliament to draft a new constitution and
prepare for the election of a permanent government by December.
Just yesterday, operatives linked to al Qaeda terrorist Abu
Musab Zarqawi detonated three car bombs in Baghdad alone, killing 26.
U.S. Ambassador John D. Negroponte, speaking to reporters in
Baghdad yesterday, said the United States is actively encouraging Sunni
Arabs to participate in the vote, despite the campaign of violence and
intimidation.
"We basically made the argument that it's about democracy," he
said. "Why would you exclude yourself from a process that is going to
write a constitution [and] help shape the political future of your
country?"
Mr. Anelli said, "There's no question the government still has
work to do to convince more Sunnis to participate, especially on the
security side."
Other major findings of the IRI survey include:
=B748.6 percent of those polled said Iraq is "generally headed
in the right direction," compared with 39.2 percent who said the
country was going in the wrong direction. The rest, 12.2 percent, said
they did not know or gave no answer.
Regional divisions on the question were stark: Nearly 70
percent of Iraq's Kurds gave a positive answer, but just 14.7 percent
of those in predominantly Sunni areas did.
=B7A majority of Iraqis think the country's fledgling
institutions, including the police, the interim government and the
commission organizing the Jan. 30 vote are very or somewhat effective.
The poll did not ask about individual candidates and parties,
but 61.7 percent gave Prime Minister Iyad Allawi a positive or somewhat
positive review for his performance since taking office last year.
=B7Despite problems, 52.3 percent of those polled said they
thought the country will be in better shape in six months than it is
today. About 60 percent expect conditions to improve in one year and
64.9 percent say they are optimistic about Iraq in five years.
=B7Nearly half of those polled - 45 percent - say they now
support or identify strongly with one of the dozens of political
parties running in the election, a threefold increase since May.
=B7 A bare majority thinks that religion should be kept out of
the new government, but a sizable minority (41.7 percent) agreed with
the statement: "Religion has a special role to play in the government."

=B756.6 percent could name the date of the election, and 38
percent correctly said the vote would be for a transitional national
assembly - both substantial increases in voter awareness compared
with previous surveys.
=B7The leading reasons given by those not planning to vote
included the uncertain security situation (33.4 percent); organized
campaigns to boycott the election (12.3 percent); and a lack of
knowledge of the candidates and parties (7 percent).

From:	Jeffrey Turner
Subject:	Re: 80% of Iraqis plan to vote
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:21:36 -0500

stevejdufour@yahoo.com wrote:
> 80 percent say they plan to vote
>
>
> By David R. Sands
> THE WASHINGTON TIMES
>
>
> A clear majority of Iraqis said they plan to vote in the Jan. 30
> elections and remain hopeful about their country's future despite a
> murderous insurgency, according to a poll to be released today.
> The countrywide survey, conducted by the Washington-based
> International Republican Institute (IRI),

Gosh, a study done by the Republican Party. Considering they
don't know where to vote, the names of the candidates or what
the party platforms are this is one of the most ridiculous
things I've seen lately - and there's been a lot of ridiculous
stuff coming out of the Republican Party. But if it's reported
in the Moonie Times it must be true.

--Jeff

--
It is only those who have neither
fired a shot nor heard the shrieks
and groans of the wounded who cry
aloud for blood, more vengeance, more
desolation. War is hell.
--William Tecumseh Sherman

In war, there are no unwounded soldiers.
--Jose Narosky

The urge to save humanity is almost
always a false front for the urge to
rule.
--H.L. Mencken

From:	stevejdufour at yahoo.com
Subject:	Re: 80% of Iraqis plan to vote
Date:	23 Jan 2005 21:06:11 -0800

> > Do you think that if we withdrew from Iraq the people there would
stop
> > fighting each other?
>
> Let's put it this way, I'm pretty sure they won't stop fighting
> until we withdraw. They might or might not need the help of an
> international peacekeeping team, but one that's not a proxy for
> US imperialism.
>
> --Jeff

I think they were fighting before we got there.

From:	stevejdufour at yahoo.com
Subject:	Re: 80% of Iraqis plan to vote
Date:	21 Jan 2005 06:42:05 -0800

> > I don't know Jeff, black people in the South went out and voted
under
> > much the same kind of threats. Didn't they?
>
> What are you talking about? The last time the South was under
> foreign military occupation was during Reconstruction, but there
> wasn't any mass, organized killing going on at the time.

How about the KKK?

>
> --Jeff
>
> --
> It is only those who have neither
> fired a shot nor heard the shrieks
> and groans of the wounded who cry
> aloud for blood, more vengeance, more
> desolation. War is hell.
> --William Tecumseh Sherman
>
> In war, there are no unwounded soldiers.
> --Jose Narosky
>
> The urge to save humanity is almost
> always a false front for the urge to
> rule.
> --H.L. Mencken

From:	stevejdufour at yahoo.com
Subject:	Re: 80% of Iraqis plan to vote
Date:	20 Jan 2005 09:14:23 -0800

I don't know Jeff, black people in the South went out and voted under
much the same kind of threats. Didn't they?

From:	Jeffrey Turner
Subject:	Re: 80% of Iraqis plan to vote
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 04:26:44 -0500

stevejdufour@yahoo.com wrote:

> I don't know Jeff, black people in the South went out and voted under
> much the same kind of threats. Didn't they?

What are you talking about? The last time the South was under
foreign military occupation was during Reconstruction, but there
wasn't any mass, organized killing going on at the time.

--Jeff

--
It is only those who have neither
fired a shot nor heard the shrieks
and groans of the wounded who cry
aloud for blood, more vengeance, more
desolation. War is hell.
--William Tecumseh Sherman

In war, there are no unwounded soldiers.
--Jose Narosky

The urge to save humanity is almost
always a false front for the urge to
rule.
--H.L. Mencken

From:	gigo448 at netscape.net
Subject:	Re: 80% of Iraqis plan to vote
Date:	20 Jan 2005 09:24:22 -0800

The truth about Moon is, he uses *hate* speech to motivate people
to work for him. Neo Nazi's, *christians* and even Muslims swoon
when Moon mentions the "Jews must repent for killing Jesus". The Right
Wing Christians swoon when Moon mentions that "Homouals aughta have
their penises cut off, barbecued, and shipped to him". Black Pastors
swoon when Moon says whites will diminish, and Blacks will rise to
conquer them. Koreans and orientals swoon when Moon says they are
the MASTER Race. Americans swoon when Moon says they are the second
israel. Moonies swoon for Moon when he tells them they alone will
rule the world with him.

Moon's *hate* speech doesn't look so bad on the surface maybe even
ideal in many ways to some people. But the reality is any peace it
brings won't last long at all. The hate is still there just under
*control* of Moon is all. Under *control* of Moon, ALL that *hate*
under the control of one man, who does that remind you of?

ALL honest and righteous men and women will end up fearing for
their lives if Moon's rule becomes Law all over the world. And Moon
is counting on it taking place by 2012, he has said so himself.
Moon is a deceiver, and a liar, if you join hands with Moon, you
join hands with Satan, and everything that goes with it as well.
You think Jews were persecuted during WWII? try opposing Moon with
*moonies* around. See if they don't try to DESTROY, and turn you
into trash for the refuse pile. Moon the DESTROYER, but only if you
oppose him, if you sign up with him, you are OK by him. Moon is buying
people off, and selling out everybody else who don't buy from him.
It's a choice everybody is gonna have to make by 2012, Moon's
gang of thugs will force your opinion on it, just like they are
forcing you NOW!! By cramming their lies down your throat.

Good luck people, before 2012 arrives you will need some for
sure as things heat up, and Moon pushes his agenda around the
world. If you don't believe me, then watch it happen, while
preparing for the worst.

bd4u

stevejdufour@yahoo.com wrote:
> 80 percent say they plan to vote
>
>
> By David R. Sands
> THE WASHINGTON TIMES
>
>
> A clear majority of Iraqis said they plan to vote in the Jan. 30
> elections and remain hopeful about their country's future despite a
> murderous insurgency, according to a poll to be released today.
> The countrywide survey, conducted by the Washington-based
> International Republican Institute (IRI), also found increased
popular
> awareness of the election, closer identification with political
parties
> and a growing level of trust in Iraqi institutions such as the
interim
> government, the police and the election commission.
> "What you see is a very, very substantial majority throughout
> the country, including in the Sunni areas, that wants to make this
> election a success and to get this whole period behind them," John
> Anelli, IRI regional director for Iraq, said from Baghdad yesterday.
> "There's an overwhelming desire for normality, and a large
> majority sees this vote as a positive step in that direction," he
said.
>
> Overall, 81.7 percent of those polled said they were "very
> likely" or "somewhat likely" to vote.
> Strong majorities in Shi'ite Muslim southern Iraq, in Baghdad
> and in the Kurdish-dominated north said they intend to vote.
> Even in Sunni Arab lands - the heart of the resistance to the
> U.S.-based interim government - 53.5 percent of those surveyed said
> they were leaning toward voting, while 38.4 percent said they were
> "somewhat unlikely" or "very unlikely" to vote. The remainder said
they
> did not know or gave no answer.
> But the violence had its effect on the IRI poll itself. The
> survey excluded the largely Sunni provinces of Dohuk and Nineveh,
> because it was judged too dangerous to conduct interviews there.
> Nineveh includes Mosul, Iraq's third-largest city.
> Mr. Anelli said including the two provinces almost certainly
> would have dragged down the overall positive results, but only by
about
> four to five percentage points at the most.
> The survey, the fifth IRI has conducted in the past year in
> Iraq, was based on 1,903 face-to-face interviews conducted between
Dec.
> 26 and Jan. 7. The overall margin of error for the survey was three
> percentage points.
> IRI is an independent nonprofit group funded through the
> federal National Endowment for Democracy, the U.S. Agency for
> International Development and private contributions. IRI works in
Iraq
> and about 60 other countries to promote democratic institutions.
> The poll was concluded before the latest spate of terrorist
> attacks that apparently were aimed at derailing the vote. Iraqis will
> vote for a transitional parliament to draft a new constitution and
> prepare for the election of a permanent government by December.
> Just yesterday, operatives linked to al Qaeda terrorist Abu
> Musab Zarqawi detonated three car bombs in Baghdad alone, killing 26.
> U.S. Ambassador John D. Negroponte, speaking to reporters in
> Baghdad yesterday, said the United States is actively encouraging
Sunni
> Arabs to participate in the vote, despite the campaign of violence
and
> intimidation.
> "We basically made the argument that it's about democracy," he
> said. "Why would you exclude yourself from a process that is going to
> write a constitution [and] help shape the political future of your
> country?"
> Mr. Anelli said, "There's no question the government still has
> work to do to convince more Sunnis to participate, especially on the
> security side."
> Other major findings of the IRI survey include:
> =B748.6 percent of those polled said Iraq is "generally headed
> in the right direction," compared with 39.2 percent who said the
> country was going in the wrong direction. The rest, 12.2 percent,
said
> they did not know or gave no answer.
> Regional divisions on the question were stark: Nearly 70
> percent of Iraq's Kurds gave a positive answer, but just 14.7 percent
> of those in predominantly Sunni areas did.
> =B7A majority of Iraqis think the country's fledgling
> institutions, including the police, the interim government and the
> commission organizing the Jan. 30 vote are very or somewhat
effective.
> The poll did not ask about individual candidates and parties,
> but 61.7 percent gave Prime Minister Iyad Allawi a positive or
somewhat
> positive review for his performance since taking office last year.
> =B7Despite problems, 52.3 percent of those polled said they
> thought the country will be in better shape in six months than it is
> today. About 60 percent expect conditions to improve in one year and
> 64.9 percent say they are optimistic about Iraq in five years.
> =B7Nearly half of those polled - 45 percent - say they now
> support or identify strongly with one of the dozens of political
> parties running in the election, a threefold increase since May.
> =B7 A bare majority thinks that religion should be kept out of
> the new government, but a sizable minority (41.7 percent) agreed with
> the statement: "Religion has a special role to play in the
government."
>
> =B756.6 percent could name the date of the election, and 38
> percent correctly said the vote would be for a transitional national
> assembly - both substantial increases in voter awareness compared
> with previous surveys.
> =B7The leading reasons given by those not planning to vote
> included the uncertain security situation (33.4 percent); organized
> campaigns to boycott the election (12.3 percent); and a lack of
> knowledge of the candidates and parties (7 percent).

From:	Josef Oswald
Subject:	Re: 80% of Iraqis plan to vote
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:53:07 GMT

Earth-Date: 2005-01-20
in MSG-id: <1106241862.335771.149260@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
the entity previously known as Bruce/Bontifarce gigo448@netscape.net wrote:
>
> The truth about Moon is, he uses *hate* speech to motivate people
> to work for him. Neo Nazi's, *christians* and even Muslims swoon
> when Moon mentions the "Jews must repent for killing Jesus".

Stereotyping a whole bunch of people in one sentence....

>The Right Wing Christians swoon when Moon mentions that "Homouals
>aughta have their penises cut off, barbecued, and shipped to him".

No; I *know* of Christians who don't do that. Besides Rev.Moon focuses
on the *traditional* family consisting of a male and female, and no
matter how much you might advocate the life-style it will cease to
exists. There are just too many issues connected to this topic, that I
don't even start to discuss it with you. Point is traditional family
values need to be restored, this is what many Christians realize.

> Black Pastors swoon when Moon says whites will diminish, and Blacks
> will rise to conquer them.

All this is taking place in *YOUR* head....

> Koreans and orientals swoon when Moon says they are the MASTER Race.

Sure Bruce, only problem is, you can't support your claims....

> Americans swoon when Moon says they are the second Israel.

You got it wrong as most of the time: the second Israel is not America,
but all believers, and again, the *vast* majority of Christians still
don't give a hoot what Rev.Moon teaches ....

>Moonies swoon for Moon when he tells them they alone will rule the
>world with him.

Hogwash,
>
>
> Moon's *hate* speech doesn't look so bad on the surface maybe even
> ideal in many ways to some people. But the reality is any peace it
> brings won't last long at all. The hate is still there just under
> *control* of Moon is all. Under *control* of Moon, ALL that *hate*
> under the control of one man, who does that remind you of?

The vast majority of hate that I have encountered is from people like
you.

>
>
> ALL honest and righteous men and women will end up fearing for
> their lives if Moon's rule becomes Law all over the world. And Moon
> is counting on it taking place by 2012, he has said so himself.

All of this are from speeches that are on-line, why is it too difficult
for you to provide the links to them? Truth is, if people would read up
for themselves then they would realize that your just *distorting* what
he has to say.

> Moon is a deceiver, and a liar, if you join hands with Moon, you
> join hands with Satan, and everything that goes with it as well.
> You think Jews were persecuted during WWII? try opposing Moon with
> *moonies* around. See if they don't try to DESTROY, and turn you
> into trash for the refuse pile. Moon the DESTROYER, but only if you
> oppose him, if you sign up with him, you are OK by him. Moon is buying
> people off, and selling out everybody else who don't buy from him.
> It's a choice everybody is gonna have to make by 2012, Moon's
> gang of thugs will force your opinion on it, just like they are
> forcing you NOW!! By cramming their lies down your throat.

More crap.
Nobody is forcing anything on anybody.

>
>
> Good luck people, before 2012 arrives you will need some for
> sure as things heat up, and Moon pushes his agenda around the
> world. If you don't believe me, then watch it happen, while
> preparing for the worst.

The worst could be that people realize that Rev.Moon is truly the second
coming of Christ, and they were *blocked* by people like you from coming
to him.....

>
>
> bd4u
>

so the question remains:
Will our critics here hear from the *final* Judge,
well done
or
*depart* from me you *evil-doer*
???
Josef Oswald
Ooswald_josef@yahooO.com
Please don't Cc: me as I read the newsgroup :-)
--
###############################################

>From gigo...@netscape.net Tue Jan 18 22:05:35 2005

From: gigo...@netscape.net
Date: 17 Jan 2005 09:21:58 -0800

Message-ID: <1105982518.408836.218...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>

> Did you say meyer lansky.

Don't take my silence the wrong way, LC. I like you,
i know i can always count on intelligent dialogue
with you around. But i just don't have the time and
inclination to reply to everything you say, or suggest!

Let's face it, even if i can understand where you are
coming from doesn't mean everybody listening does.

> --
> Lady Chatterly

> "She's a bot, you moron. I do hear that she's a bot with nice tits
> though." -- Homerun Frogbutt

That's a tantalizing thought, but i'm happily married and
my wife would get mad at me if i brought an extra pair
of tits home, no matter how nice they are.

I can understand why a *bot* might be lonely, but like
i said, i can't do anything about that. But it does
stand to reason doesn't it? After all you ARE a *bot*.
Any question.

Peace out

Bruce/Boniface/bd4u in ARU
###############################################

From:	stevejdufour at yahoo.com
Subject:	Re: 80% of Iraqis plan to vote
Date:	23 Jan 2005 08:26:55 -0800

Jeffrey Turner wrote:
> stevejdufour@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > I don't know Jeff, black people in the South went out and voted
under
> > much the same kind of threats. Didn't they?
>
> What are you talking about? The last time the South was under
> foreign military occupation was during Reconstruction, but there
> wasn't any mass, organized killing going on at the time.
>
> --Jeff
>
> --
> It is only those who have neither
> fired a shot nor heard the shrieks
> and groans of the wounded who cry
> aloud for blood, more vengeance, more
> desolation. War is hell.
> --William Tecumseh Sherman
>
> In war, there are no unwounded soldiers.
> --Jose Narosky
>
> The urge to save humanity is almost
> always a false front for the urge to
> rule.
> --H.L. Mencken

Lots of people protested against the Civil War too.

From:	newsgrub at newsfeeds.com
Subject:	Re: 80% of Iraqis plan to vote
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:54:59 +0000

>>
>> --
>> It is only those who have neither
>> fired a shot nor heard the shrieks
>> and groans of the wounded who cry
>> aloud for blood, more vengeance, more
>> desolation. War is hell.
>> --William Tecumseh Sherman
>>
>> In war, there are no unwounded soldiers.
>> --Jose Narosky
>>
>> The urge to save humanity is almost
>> always a false front for the urge to
>> rule.
>> --H.L. Mencken
>
>
>Lots of people protested against the Civil War too.
>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"......Lots of people protested against the Civil War too......"

A civil war and a foreign war are not the same thing.

Don't get them mixed up.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

From:	newsgrub at newsfeeds.com
Subject:	Re: 80% of Iraqis plan to vote
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:50:01 +0000

>
>Jeffrey Turner wrote:
>> stevejdufour@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> > I don't know Jeff, black people in the South went out and voted
>> > under much the same kind of threats. Didn't they?
>>
>> What are you talking about?
>>
>> The last time the South was under foreign military occupation was during Reconstruction,
>> but there wasn't any mass, organized killing going on at the time.
>>
>> --Jeff
>>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"......under foreign military occupation......"

A civil war is not foreign.

A civil war is fought between people living in the same country.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

From:	stevejdufour at yahoo.com
Subject:	Re: 80% of Iraqis plan to vote
Date:	23 Jan 2005 09:13:48 -0800

Do you think that if we withdrew from Iraq the people there would stop
fighting each other?

From:	Jeffrey Turner
Subject:	Re: 80% of Iraqis plan to vote
Date:	Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:36:20 -0500

stevejdufour@yahoo.com wrote:

> Do you think that if we withdrew from Iraq the people there would stop
> fighting each other?

Let's put it this way, I'm pretty sure they won't stop fighting
until we withdraw. They might or might not need the help of an
international peacekeeping team, but one that's not a proxy for
US imperialism.

--Jeff

--
It is only those who have neither
fired a shot nor heard the shrieks
and groans of the wounded who cry
aloud for blood, more vengeance, more
desolation. War is hell.
--William Tecumseh Sherman

In war, there are no unwounded soldiers.
--Jose Narosky

The urge to save humanity is almost
always a false front for the urge to
rule.
--H.L. Mencken