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 | | From: | D. Spencer Hines | | Subject: | Re: Sources For Family History | | Date: | Fri, 21 Jan 2005 22:28:04 -0000 |
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 | | As far as I know less [sic] than 10 families can show documents that
| prove descent from a Norman of any sort. [Thur -- DSH]
MORE Twaddle!
Normans who are known to have been with William at Hastings ["Companions
of the Conqueror"], about 20 or so, does not equate to ALL Normans, "of
any sort".
Check the Archives and CP XII/1, Appendix L:
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CP Vol. XII/1, postscript to Appendix L (regarding the 1066 Battle of
Hastings), "Companions of the Conqueror," pp. 47-48:
1. Robert de Beaumont, later first Earl of Leicester.
2. Eustace, Count of Boulogne.
3. William, afterwards third Count of Evreux.
4. Geoffrey of Mortagne, afterwards Count of Perche.
5. William Fitz Osbern, afterwards first Earl of Hereford.
6. Aimeri, Vicomte of Thouars.
7. Hugh de Montfort, seigneur of Montfort-sur-Risle.
8. Walter Giffard, seigneur of Longueville.
9. Ralph de Toeni, seigneur of Conches.
10. Hugh de Grandmesil, seigneur de Grandmesnil.
11. William de Warenne, afterwards first Earl of Surrey.
12. William Malet, seigneur of Graville.
13. Eudes, Bishop of Bayeux, afterwards Earl of Kent.
14. Turstin Fitz Rou.
15. Engenulf de Laigle, seigneur of Laigle.
(# 1-12 recorded by William of Poitiers, # 13 portrayed in the
battle scene on the Bayeux Tapestry, # 14-15 named by Orderic.)
Five more who were certainly in the Duke's army and almost
certainly at the battle:
16. Geoffrey de Mowbray, Bishop of Coutances.
17. Robert, Count of Mortain, afterwards first Earl of Cornwall.
18. Wadard, believed to be a follower of the Bishop of Bayeux
19. Vital, believed to be a follower of the Bishop of Bayeux.
20. Goubert d'Auffay, seigneur of Auffay.
(# 16 named by William of Poitiers, # 17-19 portrayed in the
Bayeux Tapestry, # 20 said by Orderic to have taken part in the English
War before William became King of England.)
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| As far as I know less [sic] than 10 families can show documents that
| prove descent from a Norman of any sort.
THAT is what you wrote -- quite blissfully stupid.
Don't try to move the goalposts.
DSH
"Thur" wrote in message
news:tfeId.574$qC6.99@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
| I have just found the source for my quote:
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| Extract from
| soc.genealogy.medieval
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| Extract:
| The question of the handful of Normans for whom evidence exists of
presence
| at Hastings is discussed by A.J. Camp, in "My ancestors came with the
| Conqueror" (1988), who also gives a long list of the names in
different
| versions of the "Roll". He gives "Drury" as appearing in Raphael
Holinshed's
| version, and "Diury" in Andre Duchesne's. He also gives a reference to
the
| Duchess of Cleveland's "The Battle Abbey Roll: with some Account of
the
| Norman Lineages" (1889), vol.1, pp.345-349. This must be the book
you've
| seen photocopies from - note that Camp cautions that it "mixes fact
with
| much fiction".
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| So A.J.Camp being a respected writer on Genealogy for many years,
| and many publications in his name, mostly printed by Society of
| Genealogists (SOG).
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| My number "below 10" is from memory. I would be interested is you
| found out exactly how many names he says it is.
|
| THur
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