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Re: C.P. Correction: Lord Huntingfield's heir, Alice Francis, and the Copledike family

Douglas Richardson royalancestry at msn.com

From:	Douglas Richardson royalancestry at msn.com
Subject:	Re: C.P. Correction: Lord Huntingfield's heir, Alice Francis, and the Copledike family
Date:	23 Jan 2005 13:59:10 -0800

Dear Newsgroup ~

As a followup to my original post, I've attempted to research the
history of various husbands of Eleanor, widow of Roger de Huntingfield,
which Eleanor was the grandmother of William, Lord Huntingfield's heir,
Eleanor Francis. A determination of the chronology of the elder
Eleanor's three husbands should help us correctly place her 1st
husband, Roger de Huntingfield, in the Huntingfield family tree.

The surviving records indicate that after Roger de Huntingfield's death
in 1328, his widow Eleanor married (2nd) Sir Robert de Sewerby, of
Sewerby, Yorkshire, and (3rd) before 1343 Richard de Keleshull, a
judge.

There is information in print on Sir Robert de Sewerby in the following
sources:

Yorkshire Deeds 4 (Yorkshire Arch. Soc. Rec. Ser. 65) (1924): 135; 5
(Yorkshire Arch. Soc. Rec. Ser. 69) (1926): 129-131; 6 (Yorkshire
Arch. Soc. Rec. Ser. 76) (1930): 188-191; VCH Cambridge 5 (1973):
217, 219; VCH Yorkshire E.R. 2 (1974): 95, 97-99.

These sources show that Eleanor (_____) Huntingfield's 2nd husband, Sir
Robert de Sewerby, was the son and heir of William de Sewerby, of
Sewerby, Yorkshire, by his probable wife, Beatrice. Sir Robert was an
adult by 1308, knighted by 1328. He was living 23 Oct. 1333, but died
before 13 June 1335.

Inasmuch as Sir Robert de Sewerby was born long before 1300, this
chronology gives excellent support to Gerald Paget's arrangement of the
Huntingfield family tree which places Roger de Huntingfield, Eleanor's
1st husband, as a younger son of Sir Roger de Huntingfield, Knt. (born
c. 1267, died 1302), and his wife, Joyce d'Engaine, daughter of John
d'Engaine, Knt., of Colne Engaine and Laxton, Northamptonshire.
Likewise, the Sewerby material and attendant evidence rules out the
arrangement of the Huntingfield family given in the Norwich account of
Complete Peerage, 9 (1936): 764 (chart), which confuses Roger de
Huntingfield (died 1328) with his nephew, Roger de Huntingfield (died
1337). The two Roger's had complete separate histories, different
wives, and different death dates! For Complete Peerage, that is a
whopping mistake. To be fair, it seems obvious that the editor of
Complete Peerage was not aware that two Roger de Huntingfield's existed
in the same time period. This is surely an easy mistake to make.

If anyone has additional information to add regarding the Huntingfield,
Sewerby, Keleshull, Francis, Norwich, or Cobbe families, I should
appreciate hearing from them here on the newsgroup. Also, I'd be
grateful to know if anyone can shed light on how John Copledike became
heir to his cousin, Lord Huntingfield, in or before 1428. If Eleanor
(Francis) (Norwich) Cobbe's issue failed before 1428, Lord
Huntingfield's heir should have been descendants of the Basset family,
not the Copledike family. However, it is possible that an entailment
of Huntingfield family properties diverted Huntingfield properties to
the Copledikes and away from the Bassets. If anyone has the Copledike
family in their ancestry, it would be good to hear from them as well.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www.royalancestry.net