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 | | From: | occupant | | Subject: | 19Jan05 Globe & Mail letter to PM from Toronto cardinal/bishop re same sex marriage | | Date: | Thu, 20 Jan 2005 01:56:40 GMT |
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 | Today when I got home from work I went to reference the online article
which was the headlines in the Vancouver edition of the G and M re a
cardinal or bishop writing a open letter to the Prime Minister re same
marriage. The Globe and Mail has blocked my access to that
particular article saying I have to pay for it. Never had that
experience before. Anybody know of a web site where the open letter is
posted or can someone summarize the open letter briefly so the rest of
us can write a letter to the bishop or cardinal.
Anybody else experience having blocked access to the Globe and Mail
online newspaper? I entered my password but now they want money for
each article I access as far as I can tell or perhaps it is only for
same marriage articles? Of course had I known I was going to
experience this prohibition, I could have accessed the Vancouver public
Library or read the whole article at the nearest 7-Eleven store. I am
prepared for tomorrow!
Thanks for any assistance or direction.
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| | From: | Alan \(in Brussels\) | | Subject: | Re: 19Jan05 Globe & Mail letter to PM from Toronto cardinal/bishop re same sex marriage | | Date: | Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:25:28 +0100 |
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In the message news:41EF0F44.F2DED44@telus.net...
"occupant" wrote:
> Today when I got home from work I went to reference the online article
> which was the headlines in the Vancouver edition of the G and M re a
> cardinal or bishop writing a open letter to the Prime Minister re same
> marriage. The Globe and Mail has blocked my access to that
> particular article saying I have to pay for it. Never had that
> experience before. Anybody know of a web site where the open letter is
> posted or can someone summarize the open letter briefly so the rest of
> us can write a letter to the bishop or cardinal.
>
> Anybody else experience having blocked access to the Globe and Mail
> online newspaper? I entered my password but now they want money for
> each article I access as far as I can tell or perhaps it is only for
> same marriage articles? Of course had I known I was going to
> experience this prohibition, I could have accessed the Vancouver public
> Library or read the whole article at the nearest 7-Eleven store. I am
> prepared for tomorrow!
>
I had no problem yesterday in downloading the following article from the
G&M, which fits the description given above. BTW the URL still works after a
refresh.
(Reproduced under the provisions for the free circulation of information)
Regards,
- Alan (in Brussels)
Block marriage, Catholics tell Martin 19 Jan. 2005
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050119.wxcardinal19/BNStory/Front/
Cardinal Aloysius Ambrozic, the Roman Catholic archbishop of Toronto, sailed
full-steam yesterday into Canada's marriage debate, making public a letter
to Prime Minister Paul Martin urging him to maintain marriage as a
heteroual rite and use the Constitution's notwithstanding clause to
override the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
The cardinal warned the Prime Minister that, if Parliament were to proceed
now to pass legislation permitting same- marriage, Canada would be tipped
into an uncharted sea fraught with risks to some of the country's most
significant social institutions, such as public education.
"Can we say with certainty what the social outcome of a redefinition of
marriage would be?" Cardinal Ambrozic asked. "In all humility, none of us
can do so."
The 75-year-old prelate said the five-year life span of the constitutional
override clause - permitting laws to operate notwithstanding contrary
judicial interpretations of the Charter - would allow sufficient time for
national discussion "ripen[ing] into a sober and careful decision" and give
Canadians the opportunity "to observe the social experiments now under way
in Belgium and the Netherlands and in other places where legislation
implementing same- marriage might occur."
The cardinal, as head of Canada's largest and most multicultural
English-speaking Catholic diocese, with 1.4 million adherents, is an
important voice in the Canadian church, the country's largest faith group.
Its collective leadership body, the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops,
stated five weeks ago that "as pastoral leaders of the Catholic community in
Canada, we intend to be part of this [marriage] debate." With the cardinal's
letter, the full text of which appears today on The Globe and Mail's Comment
page, the church takes a firm step further into the debate by proposing a
specific course of action for the government.
His proposals come as the Prime Minister felt the heat of religious
criticism yesterday in India, where the Sikh religion's leading cleric,
Giani Joginder Singh Vedanti, condemned Canada's same--marriage policy
and urged Sikhs to prevent such marriages from occurring in Sikh temples
anywhere in the world.
Mr. Martin said such concerns were misplaced. "This is a question of civil
marriage, not religious marriage," Mr. Martin told reporters after his visit
with Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.
"No church, no temple, no synagogue will be forced to provide a marriage in
any other way than with those [values] which are accepted by its own
beliefs."
Because of time differences between Asia and Canada, Mr. Martin was not
available to comment on the letter yesterday. Justice Minister Irwin Cotler,
who has responsibility for marriage legislation, was also unavailable. But
the minister's spokeswoman pointed out that he has said previously he
opposes use of the notwithstanding clause in this instance.
As the Jan. 31 date draws nearer for the resumption of Parliament and the
introduction of new marriage legislation, Canada's other main religious
organization opposed to same- marriage, the Evangelical Fellowship of
Canada, representing more than 140 conservative and mainly Protestant
Christian denominations across the country, has offered MPs several options
to follow, use of the notwithstanding clause being one of them.
And both the Catholic Church and the Evangelical Fellowship are providing
their adherents with detailed guides on how to lobby their MPs to vote
against same- marriage.
In contrast, Canada's second largest religious body, the Christian
Protestant United Church, has no plans at this point to enter the debate,
although it has formally approved same- marriage. Canada's other large
mainline churches are divided on the issue - almost schismatically in the
case of the Anglicans.
Dr. Janet Epp Buckingham, the Evangelical Fellowship's legal counsel and
director of law and public policy, said the Fellowship has no objection to
the notwithstanding clause but does see it as a short-term option without
significant majority public support. The only long-term solution, she said,
is enshrining heteroual marriage in the Constitution where it would be
beyond reach of the provisions of the Charter.
Dr. Buckingham said the Fellowship was meeting with MPs and talking to them
on the telephone but would likely not offer specific proposals until the
government introduces its marriage legislation into the House of Commons and
everyone can give it close inspection.
Both Dr. Buckingham and Cardinal Ambrozic expressed concern about the impact
a legal redefinition of marriage would have on public education. If same-
marriage were to become law, they said, public schools would in all
likelihood feel obligated to present heteroual and homoual activity as
morally equivalent - which would be totally unacceptable to parents from
several faith groups.
Cardinal Ambrozic asked: "Is it fair to put children in the position of
having to reconcile the values and beliefs of their parents with a [new]
state-sponsored understanding of marriage?"
Dr. Buckingham pointed out that courts in the past have declared that public
schools must provide a welcoming environment for all children. That may well
become more and more difficult to do, she said, with acceptance of
homouality in the name of tolerance leading to intolerance of those who
morally oppose it.
With reports from Gloria Galloway and Brian Laghi
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| | From: | Alan \(in Brussels\) | | Subject: | Re: 19Jan05 Globe & Mail letter to PM from Toronto cardinal/bishop re same sex marriage | | Date: | Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:09:57 +0100 |
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| Further to my previous message:
news:q7adnb_6G_iP9nLcRVnytQ@scarlet.biz...
it may be of interest to mention that another G&M article,
"Bishop blasted for calling on the state to target s
By MICHAEL VALPY
Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - Page A1 "
which I also downloaded without difficulty at the URL:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20050118.GAYS18/TPStory
contains a quote from a certain Chris Ambidge of this parish...
Regards
- Alan (in Brussels)
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| | From: | Chris Ambidge | | Subject: | Re: 19Jan05 Globe & Mail letter to PM from Toronto cardinal/bishop re same sex marriage | | Date: | Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:45:58 GMT |
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| [alan in brussels]
>Further to my previous message:
>
>it may be of interest to mention that another G&M article,
>"Bishop blasted for calling on the state to target s
> By MICHAEL VALPY
> Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - Page A1 "
>
> which I also downloaded without difficulty at the URL:
>http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20050118.GAYS18/TPStory
>contains a quote from a certain Chris Ambidge of this parish...
well, yes, it does; my page 1 debut in the Mop&Pail - I only
managed pg A5 or A7 when the 1998 Lambeth Conference did very
nasty and homophobic things; and I have made pg 1 of the Ottawa
Citizen, but this is a new -er- height. I was also the one who
sicced Michael Valpy on the Anglican Bishop of Calgary, who says
much better things than his RC counterpart.
[both the Mop&Pail and the Trawna Star had strong editorials
against the stand of the RC bishop of Calgary - an indication of
the continuing shift in this country of public opinion in directions
we'd want. We've still got a battle on our hands re: marriage, though]
the morning that was printed, my voicemail received three lengthy
messages from the host of a talk radio show in Kitchener, wanting me
on for 40min at 11am to answer call-ins on this very subject. I didn't
get the messages until that evening, since I spent the day in
diabetes school run by sunnybrook/womens college hospital. i think
actually i'm just as glad - I can be gracious to the phobots, while
making my own points, but 40 minutes of it?
but one does try to stay in good with the members of the forth estate,
since getting The Message out is much better with good press
relations.
manly panda
allegedly pre-diabetic, but whose blood sugar numbers were very good on
Toozday -- right in the "normal", not pre-diabetic or even diabetic range.
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