Re: David, Jesse, Carol, Kelly et al: On Racism and other things that suck. [Was Re: Question for fat haters

Daedalus

From:	Daedalus
Subject:	Re: David, Jesse, Carol, Kelly et al: On Racism and other things that suck. [Was Re: Question for fat haters
Date:	Fri, 21 Jan 2005 08:04:25 -0500

On 20 Jan 2005 14:23:24 -0800, "AJ Davenport" ,
wrote:

>
>David wrote:
>> On 19 Jan 2005 22:51:17 -0500, blb@panix.com (Bernadette Bosky)
>wrote:
>>
>> >In article ,
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>"Even if I were particularly ually aroused at the time I would
>> >>readily pass up ten anxious and available Black women to try to
>make
>> >>it with one White Women. The disgusting animal like smell of the
>> >>Black women is a complete turnoff"
>> >>
>> >>Now tell me AJ if you see this as just of statement of personal
>> >>choice.
>> >>
>> > I'd say the first sentence is a statement of personal choice, and
>> >the second is a racist comment that has no basis in fact. LV didn't
>say
>> >anything like the second sentence, did she?
>>
>> Here is some more of LV's message: Read it all -- Espeically the
>> second sentence.
>>
>> LV wrote - - - -
>> >
>> >"The lower half of 1 black man is worth 10 complete white men. When
>I
>> >fuck I like MEN, not little sissyboys that have to talk from behind
>> >their mommy's skirt.
>>
>> end of qoute - - -
>>
>> In one message White men were called little siisyboys that hide
>behind
>> their mother's skirt (IOW, cowards and then impugns their manhood)
>> while in the second message the writer expressed a distaste for the
>> odor of Black women.
>>
>> It is a far stretch to call one a matter of personal choice and the
>> other racist.
>>
>> I really don't understand why a few of you go to such great lengths
>to
>> try to justify and excuse LVs lapses of good judgment.
>>
>> I will not try to discredit you as of LV has done to others accusing
>> them of being someone else's socket puppet
>>
>> David Johansen
>>
>>
>>
>> > As to how much personal choice is and isn't racist, that's a
>> >complicated issue that also comes up with personal choice regarding
>fat
>> > partners. Certainly, to say that *no one* could ever find X
>type of
>> >people desirable is a matter of prejudice (and pretty much factually
>
>> >untrue for any value of X), while saying that one *personally*
>doesn't
>> >find X type of people attractive is one's free choice. It could be
>a
>> >stupid choice based on stereotypes, though. That's where things
>start to
>> >get hazier. Still, "people from X group carbonate my hormones and
>people
>> >from Y group don't" is inarguable. as a fact about the person
>speaking and
>> >not about groups X and Y.
>> >
>> >Bernadette Bosky
>
>Since all three of you choose to say the same thing, I'm going to cut
>down on my posting and answer you all in one message.
>
>David, I'm pretty much in agreement with Bernadette in my view on
>your comment about black women. That is, the first statement is a non
>judgmental statement of personal preference

Bullshit. How is a statement judging "worth" non-judgmental, you
apologetic moron?

>and the second is racist
>drivel. You ascribe a certain trait [smell] will all black women with
>that statement and in a negative manner that is "disgusting" being
>the judgmental red flag there. Ascribing a certain trait to "Black
>women" is racist pure and simple, no more or less than the "wet dog
>smell" comment that I've seen racists of color ascribe to white
>people.
>
>As for Jape's obsession with LV, well if you have been around SSF-A
>for a while you would see that I think that the two of them make a
>lovely obsessive couple. Neither can let a day pass without following
>the other around slathering after them. I don't see the attraction
>myself, but far be it from me to stand in the way of true love.
>
>LV is vulgar and that isn't my personal taste. But being a proponent
>of free speech I will make no effort to use her vulgarity as an excuse
>to censor her. Kelly's comment about cowcunts is just as vulgar but
>to each their own.
>
>With regard to LV comment about sissieboys there is no mention of race
>there so I am hard pressed to see it as a racist comment. See the
>period between the first sentence and the second? That is a new
>thought.

It is not a new thought and you know it. She is expanding on her first
comment and it is obviously meant to be explanatory.

You are a coward and no fighter of racism.

> That is again LV's personal preference but I'm more
>disheartened by the misandry inherent in that comment than the
>erroneous perception of racism in the first sentence.
>
>As for pointing fingers, and patting yourself on the back for not
>accusing people of sock puppetry, I don't think your behavior leaves
>you any room to being calling others on that kind of thing.
>AJ
>Because, somebody has to be the Diva!

AJ Davenport believes such statements as "White men are worth more
than black men" not to be racist. It is just a matter of personal
preference.

She has been very clear on that.

Jade