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 | | From: | El Castor | | Subject: | Re: California: Failed State | | Date: | Sat, 22 Jan 2005 22:02:46 -0800 |
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 | glc1173@aol.com (GLC1173) wrote:
>Jim C. quoted Robert Kuttner:
>>The Great Recall of 2003 completes a >cycle begun 25 years ago with the Great
>>Tax Revolt, Proposition 13.
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> No - it completes a cycle begun with the state's tax base sliding from a
>Sweden-like one to a Mexico-like one due to mass illegal immigration, which
>simultaneously put a huge drain on all public services.
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>>Direct democracy has also enabled >organized right-wingers to stampede a
>>vulnerable middle class.
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> Bullshit. It only stampedes the already-stampeded; there's a damn good
>reason why that group doesn't stampede left!
>
Kuttner is a left wing idiot. There is a much simpler reason for
California's plight that neither you nor Chamblee has grasped.
California's tax base was swollen by the dot com boom of the late
nineties. Clear heads warned Davis and the legislature that it was an
unsustainable bubble, but in their greed the Democrats of Sacramento
committed one time tax revenues to a stream of spending as far as the
eye could see. The result was virtual bankruptcy. Arnold has resisted
efforts to raise taxes, but has pussy footed with the Democrats for
too long, and the state continues to run a deficit, albeit a smaller
one. Schwarzenneger intends to put an initiative on the November
ballot which will put iron clad guarantees in the California
constitution which will once and for all prevent the Dems from
engaging in deficit spending. The people of California are fed up with
the spend thrift jackasses in Sacramento and will approve it --
overwhelmingly.
Jeff
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| | From: | James A. Chamblee | | Subject: | Re: California: Failed State | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:49:22 GMT |
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> From: El Castor
> Schwarzenneger intends to put an initiative on the November
> ballot which will put iron clad guarantees in the California
> constitution which will once and for all prevent the Dems from
> engaging in deficit spending. The people of California are fed up with
> the spend thrift jackasses in Sacramento and will approve it --
> overwhelmingly.
Very appealing concept to voters, but a disaster for California, or any
other government.
One of the major strengths of our government is the use of government saving
& spending to smooth out the bumps in the capitalistic system. The lower
poor are the only people hurt by a balanced budget law.
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| | From: | El Castor | | Subject: | Re: California: Failed State | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:35:32 -0800 |
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| "James A. Chamblee" wrote:
>
>
>> From: El Castor
>
>> Schwarzenneger intends to put an initiative on the November
>> ballot which will put iron clad guarantees in the California
>> constitution which will once and for all prevent the Dems from
>> engaging in deficit spending. The people of California are fed up with
>> the spend thrift jackasses in Sacramento and will approve it --
>> overwhelmingly.
>
>Very appealing concept to voters, but a disaster for California, or any
>other government.
>
>One of the major strengths of our government is the use of government saving
>& spending to smooth out the bumps in the capitalistic system. The lower
>poor are the only people hurt by a balanced budget law.
California's deficit is currently 10% of the budget. 10% is
unsustainable, however the "Progressives" in Sacramento refuse to deal
with the issue. Schwarzenneger and the people of California will deal
with the deficit -- whether jackass Maryland "progressives" like it or
not.
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| | From: | Rumpelstiltskin | | Subject: | Re: California: Failed State | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:37:56 GMT |
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| On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:35:32 -0800, El Castor
wrote:
>"James A. Chamblee" wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>> From: El Castor
>>
>>> Schwarzenneger intends to put an initiative on the November
>>> ballot which will put iron clad guarantees in the California
>>> constitution which will once and for all prevent the Dems from
>>> engaging in deficit spending. The people of California are fed up with
>>> the spend thrift jackasses in Sacramento and will approve it --
>>> overwhelmingly.
>>
>>Very appealing concept to voters, but a disaster for California, or any
>>other government.
>>
>>One of the major strengths of our government is the use of government saving
>>& spending to smooth out the bumps in the capitalistic system. The lower
>>poor are the only people hurt by a balanced budget law.
>
>California's deficit is currently 10% of the budget. 10% is
>unsustainable, however the "Progressives" in Sacramento refuse to deal
>with the issue. Schwarzenneger and the people of California will deal
>with the deficit -- whether jackass Maryland "progressives" like it or
>not.
Sure, if we want to cut down deficit, we should have a Republican
government and legislature. That's what we did with the federal
government, and who can argue with the great results?
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| | From: | El Castor | | Subject: | Re: California: Failed State | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:08:52 -0800 |
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| Rumpelstiltskin wrote:
>On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:35:32 -0800, El Castor
> wrote:
>
>>"James A. Chamblee" wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: El Castor
>>>
>>>> Schwarzenneger intends to put an initiative on the November
>>>> ballot which will put iron clad guarantees in the California
>>>> constitution which will once and for all prevent the Dems from
>>>> engaging in deficit spending. The people of California are fed up with
>>>> the spend thrift jackasses in Sacramento and will approve it --
>>>> overwhelmingly.
>>>
>>>Very appealing concept to voters, but a disaster for California, or any
>>>other government.
>>>
>>>One of the major strengths of our government is the use of government saving
>>>& spending to smooth out the bumps in the capitalistic system. The lower
>>>poor are the only people hurt by a balanced budget law.
>>
>>California's deficit is currently 10% of the budget. 10% is
>>unsustainable, however the "Progressives" in Sacramento refuse to deal
>>with the issue. Schwarzenneger and the people of California will deal
>>with the deficit -- whether jackass Maryland "progressives" like it or
>>not.
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>
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> Sure, if we want to cut down deficit, we should have a Republican
>government and legislature. That's what we did with the federal
>government, and who can argue with the great results?
>
Yes it is a pity. George is just too liberal for my tastes, but at
least he is spending the money on the right things.
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| | From: | James A. Chamblee | | Subject: | Re: California: Failed State | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:55:07 GMT |
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> From: El Castor
>> Very appealing concept to voters, but a disaster for California, or any
>> other government.
>>
>> One of the major strengths of our government is the use of government saving
>> & spending to smooth out the bumps in the capitalistic system. The lower
>> poor are the only people hurt by a balanced budget law.
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> California's deficit is currently 10% of the budget. 10% is
> unsustainable,
Both parties seem to like it that way. Certainly the Federal deficit is far
beyond 10 percent under a so-called "Conservative" Administration.
> however the "Progressives" in Sacramento refuse to deal
> with the issue.
California became ungovernable 15-20 years ago when the voters let
legislators and the Gov off the hook with their government by referendum.
And those reerenda were intiated by Right Wingers.
> Schwarzenneger and the people of California will deal
> with the deficit -- whether jackass Maryland "progressives" like it or
> not.
Bravado menas nothing.
And BTW, I'm a resident of Georgia. I made Maryland safe for Democracy, so
i sought out unplowed ground.
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| | From: | El Castor | | Subject: | Re: California: Failed State | | Date: | Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:11:17 -0800 |
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| "James A. Chamblee" wrote:
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>> From: El Castor
>
>>> Very appealing concept to voters, but a disaster for California, or any
>>> other government.
>>>
>>> One of the major strengths of our government is the use of government saving
>>> & spending to smooth out the bumps in the capitalistic system. The lower
>>> poor are the only people hurt by a balanced budget law.
>>
>> California's deficit is currently 10% of the budget. 10% is
>> unsustainable,
>
>Both parties seem to like it that way. Certainly the Federal deficit is far
>beyond 10 percent under a so-called "Conservative" Administration.
>
Democrats are using the deficit as a club to raise taxes in an already
over taxed state. Schwarzenneger was elected by Democrats as well as
Republicans to clean up this mess. The only solution to liberal over
spending in Sacramento is a constitutional amendment -- which I assure
you will be passed with bipartisan support -- even if Georgia
jackasses don't like it. If you would like to vote in California, I
suggest you move here. Otherwise, just shut up.
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| | From: | John Smith | | Subject: | Re: California: Failed State | | Date: | Mon, 24 Jan 2005 02:53:10 -0600 |
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| El Castor wrote:
> The only solution to liberal over
> spending in Sacramento is a constitutional amendment
There is already action being taken by taxpayers in various states. A
Taxpayer's Bill of Rights is a state constitutional amendment that would
limit the annual growth in government. Under a Taxpayer's Bill of Rights
amendment, state spending and debt could not grow faster than the rate
of annual population growth plus inflation. Surplus revenue received
above this amount would accrue in budget stabilization and emergency
funds, and a portion would be returned to taxpayers. Tax increases or
spending above the amount of the Taxpayer's Bill of Rights limit would
require voter approval.
I think Colorado voters reined in the politicians a while back, and
other states either already have or are actively considering such an
amendment. Of course, the politicians and big-government lovers hate it,
but the mechanism prevents obligating 'bubble' temporary income, which
has led so many governments, local, state, and Federal, into deficit
problems.
Don't know if this is the type of thing that Schwarzenegger is thinking
of, but it's clear that the taxpayers are growing increasingly tired of
over-spending by the politicians.
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