Re: Harvard Pres: Women Lack Ability In Math, Sciences

Andre Lieven

From:	Andre Lieven
Subject:	Re: Harvard Pres: Women Lack Ability In Math, Sciences
Date:	18 Jan 2005 20:46:16 GMT

"George" (george@wtfiswrongwithyou.com) evades what showed he was full
of cowshit:
> "Andre Lieven" wrote in message
> news:csjlbp$2ho$1@theodyn.ncf.ca...
>>
>> "George" (george@wtfiswrongwithyou.com) bleats:
>>> "Andre Lieven" wrote in message
>>> news:csjf6b$qpu$1@theodyn.ncf.ca...
>>>>
>>>> "George" (george@wtfiswrongwithyou.com) whined:
>>>>> "Andre Lieven" wrote in message
>>>>> news:csjdeu$pfk$1@theodyn.ncf.ca...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "George" (george@wtfiswrongwithyou.com) spread ignorance and misandry:
>>>>>>> "Way Back Jack" wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:1106055148.f476550ffaed547b31056f69d4c31dd5@bubbanews...
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:04:21 GMT, "George"
>>>>>>>> exuded:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>abilities than with the
>>>>>>>>>so-called "glass ceiling", the "boys club" mentalility that still
>>>>>>>>>pervades many scientific professions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That of course is pure horseshit, served-up by feminists and their
>>>>>>>> cheek-spreading leftist supporters.who are terrified that
>>>>>>>> preferential treatment is coming to an end,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Really? Since I am neither a woman, nor a feminist,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lie. Feminists are as they do. Whether you, honestly, accept the
>>>>>> label, or dishonestly, don't, is irrelevent.
>>>>
>>>> No rebuttal ? My point stands.
>>>
>>> I don't generally feel the need to rebute such obvious bullshit.
>>
>> Ah, " The White Flag Of Victory ".
>>
>> Free Clue, dumbass: If you want to debate, then you have to... *debate*.
>
> When you have something to say, and actually have facts to back it up,

ROTFLMAO ! *You* snipped out my cites, and quotes.

Thanks for showing that you CANNOT defend your bigoted and misandristic
views, when faced with proofs that show that thats what they are.

> I'll think

No proof offered ? Claim fails.

> about debating them, if I'm in the mood.

Of course: The excuse that tries to cover your INABILITY...

> Since you've not pointed out any facts,

Lie.

> there is no point in continuing feeding you, troll.

Ad hom. No counter argument offered, so you're the troll.

Oh, heres a repeat of the misandrisic views of Feminism, that
you *were unable to debate or refute*. Enjoy.

Article 698994 of alt.feminism:
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 17:28:31 -0400

"I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion
which a man structurally does not have, does not have it because he
cannot have it. He's just incapable of it." -- Former Congresswoman
Barbara Jordan

"All men are rapists and that's all they are" -- Marilyn French,
Author, "The Women's Room"

"I feel that 'man-hating' is an honorable and viable political act,
that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that
is oppressing them." -- Robin Morgan, MS. Magazine Editor

"I claim that rape exists any time ual intercourse occurs when it
has not been initiated by the woman, out of her own genuine affection
and desire." -- Robin Morgan

"And let's put one lie to rest for all time: the lie that men are
oppressed, too, by ism--the lie that there can be such a thing as
'men's liberation groups.' Oppression is something that one group of
people commits against another group, specifically because of a
'threatening' characteristic shared by the latter group--skin color,
or age, etc. The oppressors are indeed FUCKED UP by being masters,
but those masters are not OPPRESSED. Any master has the alternative of
divesting himself of ism or racism--the oppressed have no
alternative--for they have no power--but to fight. In the long run,
Women's Liberation will of course free men--but in the short run it's
going to cost men a lot of privilege, which no one gives up willingly
or easily. Sexism is NOT the fault of women--kill your fathers, not
your mothers." -- Robin Morgan

"My feelings about men are the result of my experience. I have little
sympathy for them. Like a Jew just released from Dachau, I watch the
handsome young Nazi soldier fall writhing to the ground with a bullet
in his stomach and I look briefly and walk on. I don't even need to
shrug. I simply don't care. What he was, as a person, I mean, what his
shames and yearnings were, simply don't matter." -- Marilyn French, in
"The Women's Room"

"Heteroual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of
contempt for women's bodies." -- Andrea Dworkin

"In a patriarchal society, all heteroual intercourse is rape
because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful
consent," said Catherine MacKinnon in Professing Feminism: Cautionary
Tales from the Strange World of Women's Studies.

"And if the professional rapist is to be separated from the average
dominant heteroual [male], it may be mainly a quantitative
difference." -- Susan Griffin "Rape: The All-American Crime"

"The institution of ual intercourse is anti-feminist" -- Ti-Grace
Atkinson "Amazon Odyssey" (p. 86)

"[Rape] is nothing more or less than a conscious process of
intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear" --
Susan Brownmiller (Against Our Will p. 6)

"When a woman reaches orgasm with a man she is only collaborating with
the patriarchal system, eroticizing her own oppression..." -- Sheila
Jeffrys

FROM 'A Feminist Dictionary', ed. Kramarae and Treichler, Pandora
Press, 1985

*MALE: ... represents a variant of or deviation from the category
of female. The first males were mutants... the male represents
a degeneration and deformity of the female.'
*MAN: ... an obsolete life form... an ordinary creature who needs
to be watched ... a contradictory baby-man ...
*TESTOSTERONE POISONING: ... 'Until now it has been though that
the level of testosterone in men is normal simply because they have
it. But if you consider how abnormal their behavior is, then you
are led to the hypothesis that almost all men are suffering from
"testosterone poisoning."

Letter to the Editor: "Women's Turn to Dominate"
"To Proud Feminist, (Herald-Sun, 7 February). Your last paragraph is
shocking language from a feminist. You use the entrenched, revolting
male stereotypes of women and rationalize your existence by saying you
are neither "ugly" nor "manless", as though either of these
male-oriented judgments matter.

"Clearly you are not yet a free-thinking feminist but rather one of
those women who bounce off the male-dominated, male- controlled social
structures.

"Who cares how men feel or what they do or whether they suffer? They
have had over 2000 years to dominate and made a complete hash of it.
Now it is our turn. My only comment to men is, if you don't like it,
bad luck -- and if you get in my way I'll run you down."
Signed: Liberated Woman, Boronia Herald-Sun, Melbourne, Australia - 9
February 1996

"Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometime gain from the
experience," said Catherine Comins, Vassar College Assistant Dean of
Student Life in Time.

"Ninety-five percent of women's experiences are about being a victim.
Or about being an underdog, or having to survive... women didn't go to
Vietnam and blow up things up. They are not Rambo," said Jodie Foster
in The New York Times Magazine

"If the classroom situation is very heteropatriarchal -- a large
beginning class of 50 to 60 students, say, with few feminist students
-- I am likely to define my task as largely one of recruitment...of
persuading students that women are oppressed," said Professor Joyce
Trebilcot of Washington University in "Who Stole Feminism: How Women
Have Betrayed Women."

"We are, as a , infinitely superior to men." Elizabeth Cady
Stanton, quoted in " One Woman, One Voice ", Wheeler, page 58.

"No woman should be authorized to stay at home to raise her children.
Society should be totally different. Women should not have that
choice, precisely because if there is such a choice, too many
women will make that one." Simone de Beauvoir, author of _The
Second Sex_, the book that is credited with launching the
mainstream of the modern feminist movement
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And...

Article 912510 of soc.men:
Date: 7 Mar 2002 05:42:45 -0800

The simple fact is that every woman must be willing to be identified
as a lesbian to be fully feminist." (National NOW Times, Jan.1988).

"Since marriage constitutes slavery for women, it is clear that the
women's movement must concentrate on attacking this institution.
Freedom for women cannot be won without the abolition of marriage."
(radical feminist leader Sheila Cronan).

"Being a housewife is an illegitimate profession... The choice to
serve and be protected and plan towards being a family-maker is a
choice that shouldn't be. The heart of radical feminism is to change
that." (Vivian Gornick, feminist author, University of Illinois, "The
Daily Illini," April 25, 1981.

"The most merciful thing a large family can do to one of its infant
members is to kill it." (Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned
Parenthood, in "Women and the New Rage," p.67.

"In order to raise children with equality, we must take them away from
families and communally raise them." (Dr. Mary Jo Bane, feminist and
assistant professor of education at Wellesley College and associate
director of the school's Center for Research on Woman).
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And...

Article 1131798 of soc.men:
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 13:56:33 +1200
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WHY HATE FEMINISM?
Feminism says this:

"How will the family unit be destroyed? ...[T]he demand alone will throw
the whole ideology of the family into question, so that women can begin
establishing a community of work with each other and we can fight
collectively. Women will feel freer to leave their husbands and become
economically independent, either through a job or welfare." -Roxanne Dunbar
in "Female Liberation"
___________________________________________________________

"Marriage as an institution developed from rape as a practice. Rape,
originally defined as abduction, became marriage by capture. Marriage
meant the taking was to extend in time, to be not only use of but
possession of, or ownership." (Andrea Dworkin)
___________________________________________________________

"In a patriarchal society all heteroual intercourse is rape because
women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent" --
Catherine MacKinnon in "Professing Feminism: Cautionary Tales From The
Strange World of Women's Studies"
___________________________________________________________

"No woman should be authorised to stay at home and raise her children.
Society should be totally different. Women should not have that choice,
precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make
that one."
Simone de Beauvoir (interview with Betty Friedan)
___________________________________________________________

"Abolition of the family! Even the most radical flare-up at this infamous
proposal of the Communists. On what foundation is the present family, the
bourgeois family, based? On capital, on private gain. In its completely
developed form, this family exists only among the bourgeoisie. ... The
bourgeois family will vanish as a matter of course when its complement
vanishes, and both will vanish with the vanishing of capital. ... The
bourgeois claptrap about the family and education, about the hallowed
correlation of parents and child, becomes all the more disgusting, the
more, by the action of Modern Industry, all the family ties among the
proletarians are torn asunder, and their children transformed into simple
articles of commerce and industry and labor."

Karl Marx
___________________________________________________________

"We are out to destroy the family. The best way to do that is to begin by
attacking its weakest member, the unborn child."

Simone Weil, French health minister
___________________________________________________________

And feminists lie to women for the sake of their anti-motherhood,
anti-family, heterophobic, anti-child, pro-death ideology:

"Every woman has these same two questions: First, "Is it a baby?" "No"
the counselor assures her. "It is a product of conception (or a blood
clot, or a piece of tissue)" Even though these counselors see six week
babies daily, with arms, legs and eyes that are closed like newborn
puppies, they lie to the women. How many women would have an abortion,
if they told them the truth?" --Carol Everett, former owner of two
clinics and director of four
"A Walk Through an Abortion Clinic" by Carol Everett ALL About Issues
magazine Aug-Sept 1991, p 117
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"If a woman we were counseling expressed doubts about having an
abortion, we would say whatever was necessary to persuade her to abort
immediately." --Judy W., former office manager of the second largest
abortion clinic in El Paso, Texas
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"We tried to avoid the women seeing them [the fetuses] They always
wanted to know the , but we lied and said it was too early to tell.
It's better for the women to think of the fetus as an 'it.' --Abortion
clinic worker Norma Eidelman quoted in Rachel Weeping p 34
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"The counselor at our clinic would cry with the girls at the drop of a
hat. She would find their weakness and work on it. The women were
never given any alternatives. They were told how much trouble it is to
have a baby."--former abortion worker Debra Harry, quoted in the film
"Meet the Abortion Providers" 1989
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"It is when I am holding a plastic uterus in one hand, a suction tube
in the other, moving them together in imitation of the scrubbing to
come, that woman ask the most secret question. I am speaking in a
matter-of-fact voice about 'the tissue' and 'the contents' when the
woman suddenly catches my eye and says 'How bib is the baby now?' These
words suggest a quiet need for definition of the boundaries being
drawn. It isn't so odd, after all, that she feels relief when I
describe the growing buds bulbous shape, its miniature nature. Again, I
gauge, and sometimes lie a little, weaseling around its infantile
features until its clinging power slackens." --abortion worker Sallie
Tisdale "We Do Abortions Here" Oct 1987 Harpers Magazine p 68
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"Vital signs should be observed regularly, and a Doppler [for listening
to the fetal heartbeat] inaudible to the patient should be used at
intervals to determine the presence or absence of fetal heart tones..
This [informed consent] is a controversial area, but most professionals
in the field feel that it is not advisable for patients to view the
products of conception, to be told the of the fetus, or to be
informed of a multiple pregnancy" --Abortionist Warren Hern in
"Abortion Practice" J.B. Lippincott Company, 1984 pgs 145 and 304
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Thats hate of men. Thats what you espouse. Thus, *you* hate men. QED.

Suck on it, bigot.

Andre
--
" I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. "
The Man Prayer, Red Green.